DoubleA
Senior Don Juan
Man I just saw the article...
http://men.msn.com/articlemh.aspx?cp-documentid=4725722>1=9311
Yeah your "Cucold Theory" is on point...
Fug it. I'm pushing on..
“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
Dammit Tomassi! I have to give it to you!!
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http://men.msn.com/articlemh.aspx?cp-documentid=4725722>1=9311
Yeah your "Cucold Theory" is on point...
Fug it. I'm pushing on..
This has come up before and my thoughts are the same; I don't know who to blame more for a situation where a father raises someone else's kid unknown for years; the wife for originally cheating or the husband for being so dense he cannot recognize his own biological child vs. someone else's.
I have one son, and its so painfully obvious that he's mine. In fact, if i took him into a clinic for a paternity test, I'm sure the doctor would say "Are you serious?",(while trying to contain laughter)
If i had even the slightest doubt, my son and I would make that trip to the doctor when mommy wasn't around or at work. This was true long before i knew of sosuave.com. You learn this sort of thing from don'tbeadenseidiot.com
I have one son, and its so painfully obvious that he's mine. In fact, if i took him into a clinic for a paternity test, I'm sure the doctor would say "Are you serious?",(while trying to contain laughter)
If i had even the slightest doubt, my son and I would make that trip to the doctor when mommy wasn't around or at work. This was true long before i knew of sosuave.com. You learn this sort of thing from don'tbeadenseidiot.com
DoubleA
Senior Don Juan
Azanon,
I'm hearing you!
I want to clarify this board as being NON anti-female, IMO.
I posted a quote to all fellas here who might think because they hide from the the so-called degarding post about single mommies that the stuff don't stank.
Only in particular for those who stick and move BUT get STUCK on the BUTT they move on.
I think a man who takes care of his own; likewise for female, is marvelous!
Mainly due to the fact my generation has tons of "dead beats". My only question is, Does euphoria Take Over your decsion to be the man you want to be?? Regardless of situation of reality?? Maybe. I am a producty in a sense. My thing is these people CAN'T SELL THEMSELVES SHORT.
To me reality doesn't. I ask the question...What are you in it for??? The Punnany or The Responsibity?? Likewise when you marry??
I saw Tomassi's post on the AFC today...come on let's not front.
You and I have right to keep pushing forward for unseeded material.
What you do with your own time, isn't my concern personally. No offense.
But I choose to survive in the same "Dog Eat Dog World" that's been around before I was born.
I live in D. C...The chance of me meeting a woman my age without a "product" is almost non-existent. Man ,the rain is falling right now! This will be timeless!! And THE LAERS ARE GETTING STOMPED. LMAO! ( Go KNICKS! )
See it for what it is. Do I take on a woman with either 1,2,3...kids regardless of the same Daddy??? LMAO. It's a scenarios of whether it's the right situation for me.
Or do I stake my on claim to my own bloodline?? Hmm..
Word up. Give me the Genes anyday, Killer.
Still not folding for the B.S., but will run thru untill I get to my goal.
Unfortunately,
-AA
Peace!
I'm hearing you!
I want to clarify this board as being NON anti-female, IMO.
I posted a quote to all fellas here who might think because they hide from the the so-called degarding post about single mommies that the stuff don't stank.
Only in particular for those who stick and move BUT get STUCK on the BUTT they move on.
I think a man who takes care of his own; likewise for female, is marvelous!
Mainly due to the fact my generation has tons of "dead beats". My only question is, Does euphoria Take Over your decsion to be the man you want to be?? Regardless of situation of reality?? Maybe. I am a producty in a sense. My thing is these people CAN'T SELL THEMSELVES SHORT.
To me reality doesn't. I ask the question...What are you in it for??? The Punnany or The Responsibity?? Likewise when you marry??
I saw Tomassi's post on the AFC today...come on let's not front.
You and I have right to keep pushing forward for unseeded material.
What you do with your own time, isn't my concern personally. No offense.
But I choose to survive in the same "Dog Eat Dog World" that's been around before I was born.
I live in D. C...The chance of me meeting a woman my age without a "product" is almost non-existent. Man ,the rain is falling right now! This will be timeless!! And THE LAERS ARE GETTING STOMPED. LMAO! ( Go KNICKS! )
See it for what it is. Do I take on a woman with either 1,2,3...kids regardless of the same Daddy??? LMAO. It's a scenarios of whether it's the right situation for me.
Or do I stake my on claim to my own bloodline?? Hmm..
Word up. Give me the Genes anyday, Killer.
Still not folding for the B.S., but will run thru untill I get to my goal.
Unfortunately,
-AA
Peace!
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
What you have here is a classic Schedules of Mating dillema combined with proactive cuckoldry.
All this article does is reveal methods women have used for centuries to ensure that the best male's genes are selected and secured with the best male provisioning she's capable of attracting. Rarely do the two exist in the same male (particularly these days) so in the interest of achieving her biological imperative, and prompted by a biologicaly seated need for security, the feminine develops social conventions and methodologies (which change as her environment does) to effect this. And, in light of advances in decoding the human genetic code, this old methodology is being uncovered in earnest for the first time. I would speculate that the small percentage of men represented in this article is actually much bigger, being affected by the simple fact that some women are better able to keep the secret and that tracing genetic disease is a realatively new science. Men are not only up against a female genetic imperative, but also a centuries long feminine social convention established from a time long before human beings could accurately determine genetic origins.
Now add to this the social convention of 'nobility' and 'chivalry' being associated with men willing to voluntarily assume the role of provider for single mothers and you can see how complex this becomes.
I've aleady detailed in many prior posts that mate selection is a psycho-biological function that our millenias of evolution has hardwired into both sexes. So internalized and socialized is this process into our collective psyches that we rarely recognize that we're subject to these motivators even when we continually repeat the same behaviors manifested by them. So saying that we're not subject to conditions we're not, or are only vaguely aware of is a bit naive.
It's simple deductive logic to follow that for a species to survive it must provide it's offspring with the best possible conditions to ensure it's survival - either that or to reproduce in such quantity that it ensures survival. The obvious application of this for women is sharing parental investment with the best possible mate her own genetics allow her to attract and who can provide long term security for her and their potential offspring. Thus women are the filters of their own reproduction where as men's reproductive methodology is to scatter as much of his genetic material as humanly possible to the widest available quantity of fertile females. He of course has his own criteria for mating selection and determining the best genetic hosts for his reproduction (i.e. she's gotta be hot), but this criteria is certainly less discriminating than that for women (i.e. no one's ugly after 2am). This is evidenced in our own hormonal biology; men posess 17 times the amount of testosterone women do and women produce substantially more estrogen and oxytocin than men.
That stated, both of these methodologies conflict in practice. For a woman to best ensure the survival of her young, a man must necessarily abandon his method of reproduction. This then sets an imperative for him to pair with a woman who will satisfy his methodology. A male must sacrifice his reproduction schedule to satisfy that of the woman he pairs with. With so much genetic potential at stake on his part of the risk, he want's not only to ensure that she is the best possible candidate for breeding with, but also to know that his progeny will benefit from both parents involvement.
One interesting outcome of this psycho-biological dynamic is men's ability to spot their own children in a crowd of other children more quickly and with greater accuity than even their mothers. Studies have shown that men have the ability to more quickly and accurately identify their own children in a room full of kids dressed in the same uniforms than the mothers of the child. Again, this stresses the subconscious importance of this genetic trade off.
Social Convention
To counter this subconscious dynamic to their own genetic advantage women initiate social conventions and psychological schemas to better facilitate their own breeding methodologies. This is why women always have the "prerogative to change her mind" and the most fickle of behaviors become socially excusable, while men's behavior is constrained to a higher standard to "do the right thing" which is invarably to the advantage of a woman. This is why guys who are 'Players', and fathers who abandon mothers and children to pursue their innate reproduction method are villains, and fathers who selflessly sacrifice themselves financially, emotionally and life decision-wise are considered heroes for complying with women's genetic imperatives.
This is also the root motivation for female-specific social dynamics such as LJBF rejections, women's propensity for victimhood (as they've learned that this engenders 'savior' mental schemas for men's breeding schedules - Capn' Save a Ho) and even marriage itself.
Good Dads vs Good Genes
The two greatest difficulties for women to overcome in their own methodology is that they are only at a sexually viable peak for a short window of time (generally their 20s) and the fact that the qualities that make a good long term partner (the Good Dad) and the qualities that make for good breeding stock (Good Genes) rarely manifest themselves in the same male. Provisioning and security potential are fantastic motivators for pairing with a Good Dad, but the same characteristics that make him such are generally a disadvantage when compared with the man who better exemplifies genetic, physical attraction and the risk taking qualities that would imbue her child with a better capacity to adapt to it's environment (i.e stronger, faster, more attractive than others to ensure the passing of her own genetic material to future generations). This is the Jerk vs. Nice Guy paradox writ large on an evolutionary scale.
Men and women innately (though unconsciously) understand this dynamic, so in order for a woman to have the best that the Good Dad has to offer while taking advantage of the best that the Good Genes man has, she must invent and constantly modify social conventions to keep the advantage in her biological favor.
Reproductive Schedules
This paradox then necessitates that women (and by defalut men) must subscribe to short term and long term schdules of mating. Short term schedules facilitate breeding with the Good Genes male, while long term breeding is reserved the Good Dad male. This convention and the psycho-social schemas that accompany it are precisely why women will marry the Nice Guy, stable, loyal, (preferably) doctor and still fvck the pool boy or the cute surfer she met on spring break. In our genetic past a male with good genes implied an ability to be a good provider, but modern convention has thwarted this so new social and mental schemas had to be developed for women.
Cheating
For this dynamic and the practicality of enjoying the best of both genetic worlds, women find it necessary to 'cheat'. This cheating can be done proactively or reactively.
In the reactive model, a woman who has already paired with her long term partner choice, engages in an extramarital or pairing, sexual intercourse with a short term partner (i.e. the cheating wife or girlfriend). That's not to say this short term opportunity cannot develop into a 2nd, long term mate, but the action itself is a method for securing better genetic stock than the committed male provider is capable of supplying.
Proactive cheating is the single Mommy dillema. This form of 'cheating' relies on the woman breeding with a Good Genes male, bearing his children and then abandoning him, or having him abandon her, (again through invented social conventions) in order to find a Good Dad male to provide for her and the children of her Good Genes partner to ensure their security.
I want to stress again that (most) women do not have some consciously recognized, master plan to enact this cycle and deliberately trap men into it. Rather the motivations for this behavior and the accompanying rationales invented to justify it are an unconscious process. I fervently believe that for the most part, women are unaware of this dynamic, but are nonetheless subject to it's influence. For a female of any species to facilitate a methodology for breeding with the best genetic partner she's able to attract AND to ensure her own and her offspring's survival with the best provisioning partner; this is an evolutionary jackpot.
All this article does is reveal methods women have used for centuries to ensure that the best male's genes are selected and secured with the best male provisioning she's capable of attracting. Rarely do the two exist in the same male (particularly these days) so in the interest of achieving her biological imperative, and prompted by a biologicaly seated need for security, the feminine develops social conventions and methodologies (which change as her environment does) to effect this. And, in light of advances in decoding the human genetic code, this old methodology is being uncovered in earnest for the first time. I would speculate that the small percentage of men represented in this article is actually much bigger, being affected by the simple fact that some women are better able to keep the secret and that tracing genetic disease is a realatively new science. Men are not only up against a female genetic imperative, but also a centuries long feminine social convention established from a time long before human beings could accurately determine genetic origins.
Now add to this the social convention of 'nobility' and 'chivalry' being associated with men willing to voluntarily assume the role of provider for single mothers and you can see how complex this becomes.
I've aleady detailed in many prior posts that mate selection is a psycho-biological function that our millenias of evolution has hardwired into both sexes. So internalized and socialized is this process into our collective psyches that we rarely recognize that we're subject to these motivators even when we continually repeat the same behaviors manifested by them. So saying that we're not subject to conditions we're not, or are only vaguely aware of is a bit naive.
It's simple deductive logic to follow that for a species to survive it must provide it's offspring with the best possible conditions to ensure it's survival - either that or to reproduce in such quantity that it ensures survival. The obvious application of this for women is sharing parental investment with the best possible mate her own genetics allow her to attract and who can provide long term security for her and their potential offspring. Thus women are the filters of their own reproduction where as men's reproductive methodology is to scatter as much of his genetic material as humanly possible to the widest available quantity of fertile females. He of course has his own criteria for mating selection and determining the best genetic hosts for his reproduction (i.e. she's gotta be hot), but this criteria is certainly less discriminating than that for women (i.e. no one's ugly after 2am). This is evidenced in our own hormonal biology; men posess 17 times the amount of testosterone women do and women produce substantially more estrogen and oxytocin than men.
That stated, both of these methodologies conflict in practice. For a woman to best ensure the survival of her young, a man must necessarily abandon his method of reproduction. This then sets an imperative for him to pair with a woman who will satisfy his methodology. A male must sacrifice his reproduction schedule to satisfy that of the woman he pairs with. With so much genetic potential at stake on his part of the risk, he want's not only to ensure that she is the best possible candidate for breeding with, but also to know that his progeny will benefit from both parents involvement.
One interesting outcome of this psycho-biological dynamic is men's ability to spot their own children in a crowd of other children more quickly and with greater accuity than even their mothers. Studies have shown that men have the ability to more quickly and accurately identify their own children in a room full of kids dressed in the same uniforms than the mothers of the child. Again, this stresses the subconscious importance of this genetic trade off.
Social Convention
To counter this subconscious dynamic to their own genetic advantage women initiate social conventions and psychological schemas to better facilitate their own breeding methodologies. This is why women always have the "prerogative to change her mind" and the most fickle of behaviors become socially excusable, while men's behavior is constrained to a higher standard to "do the right thing" which is invarably to the advantage of a woman. This is why guys who are 'Players', and fathers who abandon mothers and children to pursue their innate reproduction method are villains, and fathers who selflessly sacrifice themselves financially, emotionally and life decision-wise are considered heroes for complying with women's genetic imperatives.
This is also the root motivation for female-specific social dynamics such as LJBF rejections, women's propensity for victimhood (as they've learned that this engenders 'savior' mental schemas for men's breeding schedules - Capn' Save a Ho) and even marriage itself.
Good Dads vs Good Genes
The two greatest difficulties for women to overcome in their own methodology is that they are only at a sexually viable peak for a short window of time (generally their 20s) and the fact that the qualities that make a good long term partner (the Good Dad) and the qualities that make for good breeding stock (Good Genes) rarely manifest themselves in the same male. Provisioning and security potential are fantastic motivators for pairing with a Good Dad, but the same characteristics that make him such are generally a disadvantage when compared with the man who better exemplifies genetic, physical attraction and the risk taking qualities that would imbue her child with a better capacity to adapt to it's environment (i.e stronger, faster, more attractive than others to ensure the passing of her own genetic material to future generations). This is the Jerk vs. Nice Guy paradox writ large on an evolutionary scale.
Men and women innately (though unconsciously) understand this dynamic, so in order for a woman to have the best that the Good Dad has to offer while taking advantage of the best that the Good Genes man has, she must invent and constantly modify social conventions to keep the advantage in her biological favor.
Reproductive Schedules
This paradox then necessitates that women (and by defalut men) must subscribe to short term and long term schdules of mating. Short term schedules facilitate breeding with the Good Genes male, while long term breeding is reserved the Good Dad male. This convention and the psycho-social schemas that accompany it are precisely why women will marry the Nice Guy, stable, loyal, (preferably) doctor and still fvck the pool boy or the cute surfer she met on spring break. In our genetic past a male with good genes implied an ability to be a good provider, but modern convention has thwarted this so new social and mental schemas had to be developed for women.
Cheating
For this dynamic and the practicality of enjoying the best of both genetic worlds, women find it necessary to 'cheat'. This cheating can be done proactively or reactively.
In the reactive model, a woman who has already paired with her long term partner choice, engages in an extramarital or pairing, sexual intercourse with a short term partner (i.e. the cheating wife or girlfriend). That's not to say this short term opportunity cannot develop into a 2nd, long term mate, but the action itself is a method for securing better genetic stock than the committed male provider is capable of supplying.
Proactive cheating is the single Mommy dillema. This form of 'cheating' relies on the woman breeding with a Good Genes male, bearing his children and then abandoning him, or having him abandon her, (again through invented social conventions) in order to find a Good Dad male to provide for her and the children of her Good Genes partner to ensure their security.
I want to stress again that (most) women do not have some consciously recognized, master plan to enact this cycle and deliberately trap men into it. Rather the motivations for this behavior and the accompanying rationales invented to justify it are an unconscious process. I fervently believe that for the most part, women are unaware of this dynamic, but are nonetheless subject to it's influence. For a female of any species to facilitate a methodology for breeding with the best genetic partner she's able to attract AND to ensure her own and her offspring's survival with the best provisioning partner; this is an evolutionary jackpot.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
The Cuckold
On some level of consciousness, men innately sense something is wrong with this situation, though they may not be able to place why they feel it or misunderstand it in the confusion of women's justifications for it. Or they become frustrated by the social pressures to 'do the right thing' and are shamed into martyrdom/savior-hood and committed by feigned responsibility to these conventions. Nevertheless, some see it well enough to stear clear of single mothers, etiher by prior experience or observing other male cuckolds saddled with the responsibility of raising and providing for - no matter how involved or uninvolved - another man's successful reproduction efforts with this woman.
The man in this position is (or at the very least interpreted as) a Cuckold. He will never enjoy the same benefits as his mates short term partner(s) to the same degree, in the way of sexual desire or immediacy of it, while at the same time enduring the social pressures of having to provide for this Good Genes father's progeny. It could be argued that he may contibute minimally to their wellfare, but on some level, whether emotional, physical, financial or educational he will contribute some effort for another man's genetic material in exchange for limited form of sexuality/intimacy from the mother. To some degree, (even if only by his presence) he is sharing the parental investment that should be borne by the short term partner. If nothing else, he contibutes the time and effort to her he could be better invested in finding a sexual partner with which he could pursue his own genetic imperative by his own methodology. It is simply not worth his effort to couple with a single mother when compared to a woman without children.
However, needless to say, there is no shortage of men sexually deprived enough to 'see past' the long term disadvantages, and not only rewarding, but reinforcing a single mother's bad decisions (bad from his own interest's POV) with regard to her breeding selections and schedules in exchange for short term sexual gratification. Furthermore, by reinforcing her behavior thusly, he reinforces the social convention for both men and women. It's important to bear in mind that in this age women are ultimately, soley responsible for the men they choose to mate with (baring rape of course) AND giving birth to their children. Men do bear responsibility for their actions no doubt, but it is ultimately the decision of the female and her judgement that decides her and her children's fate.
On some level of consciousness, men innately sense something is wrong with this situation, though they may not be able to place why they feel it or misunderstand it in the confusion of women's justifications for it. Or they become frustrated by the social pressures to 'do the right thing' and are shamed into martyrdom/savior-hood and committed by feigned responsibility to these conventions. Nevertheless, some see it well enough to stear clear of single mothers, etiher by prior experience or observing other male cuckolds saddled with the responsibility of raising and providing for - no matter how involved or uninvolved - another man's successful reproduction efforts with this woman.
The man in this position is (or at the very least interpreted as) a Cuckold. He will never enjoy the same benefits as his mates short term partner(s) to the same degree, in the way of sexual desire or immediacy of it, while at the same time enduring the social pressures of having to provide for this Good Genes father's progeny. It could be argued that he may contibute minimally to their wellfare, but on some level, whether emotional, physical, financial or educational he will contribute some effort for another man's genetic material in exchange for limited form of sexuality/intimacy from the mother. To some degree, (even if only by his presence) he is sharing the parental investment that should be borne by the short term partner. If nothing else, he contibutes the time and effort to her he could be better invested in finding a sexual partner with which he could pursue his own genetic imperative by his own methodology. It is simply not worth his effort to couple with a single mother when compared to a woman without children.
However, needless to say, there is no shortage of men sexually deprived enough to 'see past' the long term disadvantages, and not only rewarding, but reinforcing a single mother's bad decisions (bad from his own interest's POV) with regard to her breeding selections and schedules in exchange for short term sexual gratification. Furthermore, by reinforcing her behavior thusly, he reinforces the social convention for both men and women. It's important to bear in mind that in this age women are ultimately, soley responsible for the men they choose to mate with (baring rape of course) AND giving birth to their children. Men do bear responsibility for their actions no doubt, but it is ultimately the decision of the female and her judgement that decides her and her children's fate.
The gene pool of your offspring might be completely wiped clean of your genes in no more than 4 generations in the worst case.
So... fathering children to perpetuate your genes might be our destination by nature, but don´t think your genes will be around forever.
So... fathering children to perpetuate your genes might be our destination by nature, but don´t think your genes will be around forever.
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Basically, don't trust that your child is yours unless you can prove it, or you are simply willing to take on another man's child. I would suggest that the latter is not a bad idea, if you are fostering or adopting for a number of other humanitarian reasons. However, the outright deception that I read in the aforementioned article (link above) is where the line needs to be drawn.
The unmitigated gall of many women, over 1 million by the articles count, to be as selfish, self-serving, and deceiving is sad. However, based on this if there is an iota concern, act on it. Trust but verify.
Keep in mind the evolutionary components that are at work here. The woman's desire/need to get the best genes for her offspring, AND to get the most resources for the offspring. Along with our basic premise which is to spread as much genetic material as possible to continue your line genetically.
Don't let this cloud your thinking into that all women are out to use you. Just know biologically where women are operating from, and often times they aren't concious of the natural forces that are influencing them.
The unmitigated gall of many women, over 1 million by the articles count, to be as selfish, self-serving, and deceiving is sad. However, based on this if there is an iota concern, act on it. Trust but verify.
Keep in mind the evolutionary components that are at work here. The woman's desire/need to get the best genes for her offspring, AND to get the most resources for the offspring. Along with our basic premise which is to spread as much genetic material as possible to continue your line genetically.
Don't let this cloud your thinking into that all women are out to use you. Just know biologically where women are operating from, and often times they aren't concious of the natural forces that are influencing them.