"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Chamber36

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I'm honestly even afraid to ask this question, because I know it's frowned upon, but whatever I'm just going to do it anyway.

There's this chick that keeps IOI'ing me. She's cute as a button and she's not an attention *****. At first she seemed to be intimidated by me, but I talked to her well-calibrated and treated her nice like a little girly-girl, and I think she was pleasantly surprised, as was I.

She's friends with girls that I know who I've also made a good impression on. So she's sort of in the social circle. Which is good news, because then we could say we got to know each other through something other than clubbing.

Anyway, according to facebook, she's got a boyfriend. A real beta lapdog boyfriend.

Now if I wasn't certain of her attraction to me I would not post this.

Secondly a similar situation happened to me recently. A cute girl argued with her ex in front of me, tried to get me to come on to her, I didn't do it, and she went back to the ex. Now I don't want that to happen again.

Anyway, I think that eventually this girl will present to me a huge window of opportunity and I'm going to have to jump in it.

I've always got second thoughts about girls with boyfriends and that type of stuff though. But I know that she's going to give me a chance to hit that azz.

I know this is a fvcked up situation, and I don't know why I'm always attracted to broads with girlfriends. But it is what it is.

I was going to ask: "what do I do?". But I think all I need to do really is flirt. I don't really know what my question is. I just need some clarification.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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This girl is attracted to you. The supposed "boyfriend" she has is not a man. And NEITHER are you! So in short, you need to quit acting beta YOURSELF and tell her along the lines of, "I like you. You like me. We're going out together to have some fun."

That's all there is to it. And if she doesn't accept, WALK AWAY. And sometimes when you walk away, they'll find that attractive enough to possibly want to know you more.

You're overcomplicating the matter and veering toward mental masturbation.
 

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I know I was veering in that direction. It's because the girl is too damn cute. But you are right.
 

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I find this ironic. Not this particular situation, but the fact that there is a time when a nice guy thinks he would be a better boyfriend than the jerk she is dating now. After he reads some PUA theory and applies it, the new-found jerk now thinks that he would make a better boyfriend than the nice guy she is dating instead. No matter which pill you swallow, the guy still thinks the same in the end.
 

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Never talk about the boyfriend. They can be sleeping with you for months and dump you for talking about the boyfriend. If they are seeing you, just enjoy their company.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Fine, but don't get too involved with this girl or the situation will f*ck you up. But if you just want to have a good time, then go for it.
 

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Upside said:
I find this ironic. Not this particular situation, but the fact that there is a time when a nice guy thinks he would be a better boyfriend than the jerk she is dating now. After he reads some PUA theory and applies it, the new-found jerk now thinks that he would make a better boyfriend than the nice guy she is dating instead. No matter which pill you swallow, the guy still thinks the same in the end.
Lol, I love this post.
 

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Ha ha +1 for Upside and +1 for Matthew.
 

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Don't do it.
 

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Messing with girls who are married or have boyfriends says things about the guy who is stealing the girl:

-He lacks integrity and empathy for other men. He, who sleeps with another man's woman, cannot see how this situation would damage the woman's boyfriend/husband. Most of the time, the boyfriend/husband is oblivious to the fact the woman is cheating or--in the event he is beta--how beta he is. You are defecating on your kind by stealing another man's girl and contributing female promiscuity and deception upon men. You do not know through how many things the other male went to get his girl attracted to him and how much you will devastate him. Let someone else be the bad guy, not you.

-He takes advantage of situations so that he invests as little as possible because he is lazy and afraid of rejection. Although there are many single, free women out there, he, who sleeps with a woman in a relationship, goes for the woman who shows interest in him, regardless of her committed status. He does this because he feels there is a much lower probability of being rejected and feeling pain in girls who already approve of him. In other words, he is a coward when it comes to rejection and an opportunist when it comes to being lazy. He could be approaching single women anywhere, but his anxieties and insecurities make them a slave to find the easy way out. This kind of man may also miss out on highly attractive and intelligent women who do not display IOI's until you approach them first/make the first move and show value.

In conclusion, do not sleep with women who are married or in relationships. Instead, get your life together, develop interests/hobbies and become a greater human being (but not for women; do it for yourself). Most of the time, women will notice and cling to the interests you have and translate them to qualities. This is also the same reason women leave men who become obsessed with them and give up on their hobbies. Women want a man who is is well-rounded and who will not be clingy, yet will have time to spend with them. It really is not that hard to be successful with women. Your mind is your own worst obstacle--believing you are not good enough, which causes insecurities, approach anxiety, and nervousness when you actually approach--between where you stand today and where you would like to stand tomorrow, which brings me to my next point.

Stop trying to find a perfect/magic formula that will bring you instant success with women because it does not exist. Do yourself a favor and focus your energy on your family, hobbies, and community. Once you have your life together, women will gravitate towards you and give you subtle signals--to which we refer as "IOI's" in here--without you even moving a finger. The secret to being successful with women is in conveying your amazing personality and all the things you have to offer without trying to impress anyone, but because they are the blocks that make you who you are. You getting an amazing wife/girlfriend/friend with benefits, or any other goal you have all starts with a glance. How many glances do you miss during the time you are reading threads on this site? Get out there and make it happen for yourself. You are a grown man and no one will do the work for you. Be a DJ with integrity.

Keep being money,

-Robyn
 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Matthew Lyon said:
This girl is attracted to you. The supposed "boyfriend" she has is not a man. And NEITHER are you! So in short, you need to quit acting beta YOURSELF and tell her along the lines of, "I like you. You like me. We're going out together to have some fun."

That's all there is to it. And if she doesn't accept, WALK AWAY. And sometimes when you walk away, they'll find that attractive enough to possibly want to know you more.

You're overcomplicating the matter and veering toward mental masturbation.
yeah, girls always want a behavioral challenge
 
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