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Curious how you would have handled this

MotownMack

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Nothing earth shattering here, nor am I terribly concerned about it. But the creativity of some on these forums never ceases to amaze me, so I always open my scenarios to the opinions of others.

Girl I was kinda FWBing last summer has remained friends, but we haven't seen each other for 8 months. We start out dating, but things just kind of fizzled--distance and busy schedules were a factor (she's about 50 minutes from me).

We both get along well and talk here and there, but rarely see each other. As far as a relationship goes, I think I'd call the IL relatively low on both sides.

We'd been playing phone tag for last week or so, and yesterday she calls. Well, I happen to know that every other Tuesday, her kids are with their Dad.
So at this point, a hook up isn't sounding too bad.

She's pretty stressed about some stuff, so I suggest my coming over and having a few drinks and hanging out. She's cool with it, and she's friendly enough, but she just doesn't sound like she's in a good place. We talk about some of the problems she is having briefly (but not too much), and someone how the topic moves to dates we've had, and the sex her and I were having.

Bottom line is this: She doesn't want to be up too late, and I wasn't driving an hour there and an hour back- just to hang out for an hour or two, unless I was getting some. I hadn't been to the gym in two days and that was bothering me, so I wasn't going to waste time unless I was fairly certain it was a sure deal.

When the subject of our past sexual activities came up, she laugh and made comments about things, so it wasn't exactly a cold approach. But at some point, I think I kidded around about her us hooking up, at which point she replied she was ragging and wasn't interested in sex at the moment (I said it like I was teasing, and she was not what I would call adamant,but resistive). I am not sure if she was raggin (it doesn't matter since this is now hypothetical), or this was token resistance, but I am pretty sure that if I was there, I could have eased into things. But I was not really willing to take the risk of driving out there, even if she had not been on her period, so I was kind of forward about it.

My question to you guys who might find yourself in this situation-you wouldn't mind seeing her and hooking up, but without the hook up, you're not really feeling it. Do you feel that the best approach is to be subtle, as not to raise ASD or token rejections-and then take your chances when you can work your game in person? Or would just come right out be forward about what you're expecting so as not to waste your time? Or I am expecting too much in this case to know whether or not it's a done deal?

(FYI- this girl has fairly liberal attitudes towards sex, and I have not be "friendzoned". But the end result was me more or less revoking the offer in a pleasant manner, saying it sounded like she had a lot to do. She was cool with that, and said we should go out for dinner soon, and we'd see where things go from there. Neither of us are looking for a relationship, at least not with each other).
 

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I'm glad you brought this up, I've been thinking about it lately especially with some of the recent posts about declining sex in an LTR. However I think part of the problem lies with us. We are sexual machines, for us everything revolves around sex.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying stop being a sexual being or cut down on sex, but I'm starting to hypothesize that we need to stop making every single interaction with a women that we've already fvcked about sex.

Even with FB's, would it really kill us to spend 1 time out of 5 not having sex with them? We can still be intimate with them but are we that savage that we can't forego climaxing once in a while? After all, women don't climax every time we sex them.

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Sorry for the hijack but back to your situation. Now you know my thoughts and becuase I agree with you about the distance and not wanting to drive. However this wouldn't be an issue if you had more options. But given the fact that you don't right now and she use to be a former plate.

Would it be the end of the world if you spent one night comforting her (under the guise that you haven't been with her since last year and this could be the catalyst to get your FWB's situation going?

However I will digress becuase of the distance issue and becuase I know I'm going to get sh1t on like crazy for the same reason that STR8UP always does. Because guys on here over rate closing. I can't believe I'm saying this LOL.
 

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Would it be the end of the world if you spent one night comforting her (under the guise that you haven't been with her since last year and this could be the catalyst to get your FWB's situation going?
No, it would have not have been the end of the world. To be quite honest, had she demonstrated that she was more open to company (she agreed to it, but didn't seem like she head over heels about it, probably because she had a lot to do) and not seemed like she was putting "time constraints" on it, I probably would have done just that-gone to hang out with her, and if something happened fine, if not then no big deal.

(btw, the time constraints were a function our past-I am a night owl, she gets up early, and many times we would not end up going to be until 4am -which was her fault for taking forever to cvm, lol-but I can understand that she was just saying she didnt want to be up to late because she had to work, but I didn't know how literally to take the 2 hour or so window she provided)

Because guys on here over rate closing.
Closing is overrated, and I think it's a function of age, maturity, and the law of scarcity. When I was younger, I remember jumping through some serious hoops to get beer when I was underage. Now after 15 years of legally drinking beer, it's not that big of deal-I still like it, but I wouldn't drive around 3 hours looking for a buyer. Priorities change.

The reason closing held more importance in this case was that the distance and scheduling thing (especially the scheduling on her end) seemed impossible to reconcile. Case in point, we've been talking about getting together for 6 months. There is a good chance that I wouldn't have seen her again for quite a while-and as just mentioned, sex wasn't important enough that I wanted to start the FWB thing again full time, or think that we would both suddenly have a high enough IL to start hanging out again. But more than anything, it's just the schedules.
 

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The distance thing just kills the deal, man. I understand your dilemma when you say she's not too far for some nookie but too far for some cuddling. In the past, I have just came out and was subtle about it. It didn't work couple of times because these chicks weren't as liberal about sex and wanted to slow things down. Maybe I'm wrong, and that was their way of rejecting, but the point is, being subtle about it has worked for me. I don't see why you'd waste your time not being subtle about it. It would come off as slightly desperate to me. To each their own, I suppose.
 

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MotownMack said:
...Closing is overrated, and I think it's a function of age, maturity, and the law of scarcity. When I was younger, I remember jumping through some serious hoops to get beer when I was underage. Now after 15 years of legally drinking beer, it's not that big of deal-I still like it, but I wouldn't drive around 3 hours looking for a buyer. Priorities change...
This is so true.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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MacAvoy said:
I I know I'm going to get sh1t on like crazy for the same reason that STR8UP always does. Because guys on here over rate closing. I can't believe I'm saying this LOL.
I think the perspective here is that if you don't close you lose the girl's affection/respect/whatever.

But what happens when you don't care what she thinks about you? What if it really doesn't matter to you, you can take her or leave her? If you felt that way would you be in such a rush to screw her?

Wouldn't having that attitude put you much more in ease and more likely to get laid ANYWAY?
 

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I think the perspective here is that if you don't close you lose the girl's affection/respect/whatever.

But what happens when you don't care what she thinks about you? What if it really doesn't matter to you, you can take her or leave her? If you felt that way would you be in such a rush to screw her?

Wouldn't having that attitude put you much more in ease and more likely to get laid ANYWAY?
So true, excellent point.

reps given (lol thats so funny how we point that out now)

edit: I'm a liar, no reps given, won't allow me.
 

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Girl I was kinda FWBing last summer has remained friends, but we haven't seen each other for 8 months. We start out dating, but things just kind of fizzled--distance and busy schedules were a factor (she's about 50 minutes from me).
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Or would just come right out be forward about what you're expecting so as not to waste your time?
My answer is very simple….I would come relatively forward (but respectful) so as not to waste my time. You are correct. If she was my girlfriend or part of my life…that would have been a different matter as there is an emotional connection. But the situation you provided is different. You not wanting to waste your time is okay.
 

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Lol.

Seems like success is based on doing what you want. Not being in a rush to fill out some pre-planned role you're supposed to play, guys that focus on "window of opportunity" are more scarcity based.

Not like you aren't going to try to nail her asap, but at the same time, it's just a chick. What's the rush.
 
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