Critique this phone conversation i had with a female version of David Deangelo

[LeviathanIYG]

You did great man.

You got a date what are you worried about?

Just a few problems:

- Too much ****iness is bad

- If she keeps putting you on hold for extended periods of time you should just hang-up and call back later (You're a busy man, even if your not it’s better if she thinks you are)

- She tests you and you passed GREAT!! But you need to test her to, make her qualify herself to you.

- Tone down on the ****iness

- First date is about getting to know each other so ask her questions but never reveal too much about yourself. It’s best to have a genuine interest in getting to know her don’t be just after sex girls can sense that and if she’s not a slut it can be a turnoff.

- If you like her hold back the sex on the first date

 

[spitkicker]

The beginning sounds fantastic. you were well on your way to success, way to play it. some comments on later on..

you wrote:

"yea yea youll just pick up other girls there, theres a lot of cute girls there" (not sure if she was serious). i told her if im there with her, im there with her. its a respect thing."

what you could have done:

When a girl accuses you of being bad, agree with it. This is something that I got from Juggler, and it's golden. you should have agreed with her and then told her that it would probably be a bad idea for you to go then...and then pulled her back in by saying, just kidding, you know i love you" (playfully)

When she told you that she only dates taller guys: respond "ok great, ill just bring my step ladder!" sound excited about it

That please, everything about me line, HAS TO GO. ****y is so unattractive, i can't even begin to impress this uppon you.

You're still young with lots of room to grow and lots of potential . Don't worship David D - check out my blog (link below) for my thoughts on the guy - they arn't pretty...

Finally, overall, she led the conversation toward the end and this in itself is unnatractive. Think about it, you were constantly reacting to her. This means she was the dominant one, and was controlling the "frame". Work on being the one who controls the conversation's energy.

Overall, sounds like your in pretty good shape though.

As for escalation: kino as early as you can, just playfully, its no big deal. get her comfortable with your touch early on. then high 5's. they are great and very playful. As for sexual vibe, look in to gunwitch's stuff on sexual state, and Juggler's SOI's.

 

[spitkicker]

ok so when she busted out the "your body makes up for it" line, you could have used another strategy for busting tests, which is simply ignore it, and take the reigns.

her: "your body makes up for it"
you: "haha, anyways, I was thinking today that..(take conversation where you want it to go)

like i said before, if you are constantly just responding to her witt, you are buying into her game instead of her buying into yours.

if you demonstrate the ability to lead the conversation and not cave under the pressure to react to her, she will find it extremely sexy.

also, im just giving you a heads up about David D. I didn't worship him either, but for a long time i thought that he had the answers....when most of the time he didnt....but it def seems like you've got a good head on your shoulders.

good luck man

 

[spitkicker]

Also, if she starts getting all witty on you during your date, look at it as her making an effort with you. she's trying to be a flirt.

so reward her. say "hey, your witty, thats sexy" then tell her you hate her. then smile

notice the pull push pull structure.

 

[LeviathanIYG]

double post

 

[n00bPimp]

Man this is impresive stuff I've actually learned some lines from this.
But the girl seems to be too confident, its possible she might turn out to be an "independent diva" type of chick which I like keep my distance from. And no she doesnt seem like she would give it up fast... probably even after months of dating. Good luck anyways.

 

[LeviathanIYG]

David D is a marketer and he is a genius at it.

"David" started teaching these materials before he even could do them himself. Even though he gets ridiculously amazing women he isn't really a PUA and isn't an AFC. He’s just a confident ****y and funny guy (he has some great material on inner game though).

I personally love the guy he had no idea about seduction yet he went out and made millions teaching men about it.

Some of his stuff works though, you can use C+F but you use it lightly and nowhere near as often as he implies.

That is beside the point “David” is a business man first and a ladies man second.

Even though his knowledge of seduction is nowhere near most guys, they will probably not even make 1/10th of the profits he made with his book.

So a little respect for “David”, he’s a fraud yes but he’s a spectacular fraud.

P.S. Nice analysis of the convo

P.S.S. Love the blog man

 

[KarmaSutra]

KnewGuy


Some of the other brothers here will concur that you need to master yourself first and get " yo sh!t together " before you can even think of turning your wife around. I was married for 5 years to a woman I thought I could change, alas though, Leopards or "Cougars" as she is, don't change. No matter what. They're always going to throw ya the b!tch shield and test the fvck outta you with every turn and that's great but you have to have the knowledge and testicular fortitude to fight her back.

You'll begin to hear guys 'round here tell you about congruence.
What it means is that you have to be comfortable in your skin. Please do yourself a favor and take both your balls and your soul outta her purse and stop being her welcome mat.

If she won't back down divorce is an option. Worked wonders for me. I'm a much better and more mature man for doing it.

 

[spitkicker]

Leviathin - I appreciate the kind words!