Crips Leader Executed...Was it Justifiable?

[frivolousz21]

Sounds to me that despite my age, I have more knowledge of English grammar and politics than you do.

would one of the members or mods give this man a plaque or something for this remarkable achievement?

thanks in advance

 

[Morphiex]

Originally posted by Bling
Wow... want to help society? Kill this guy. You just shot the moral of a bunch of thugs feeling like they get bribe their way into lesser sentences. The crips just got pwned by the state.

Want another thing to know? These kids live in the God damn ghetto. Assuming they know how to read, you think they're going to spend their money on his book rather than buy some porno magazine? You can't be serious. Last I checked, kids in the ghetto with 1 parent aren't spending their allowance on some book. Dude, get a reality pill.

of course they wont buy the book themself.....
but there are programs wich uses the books to make kids udnerstand.... they read out loud from the book and stuff, no kid with a parent on minimum wage is gonna buy that book , but a responsible parent will get theyr wanna be gangsta child into a program that might use the book as a way to make kids understand.....

and do you really think that letting him die is an harder punishment then letting him live his hole life in jail.... ? to me death-penalties are better then a life long sentence in jail.... rather then killing tookie they could have given him a life long sentence without the possibility of parole.... rather then spending about 7 grand on killing him they could have let him live and perhaps he could have helped people in different ways.....
as someone said in an earlier post : would u listen to a suburban male who talks about stats on gang wars and stuff or would you listen to an actual gang member??

 

[frivolousz21]

pwned

is this a real word?

 

[Porky]

your age is really showing here, Bling.

I'm not against the death penalty per se. it's application is often questionable and the basis on which it was used for countless years was racist and awful, but I am not convinced that the death penalty itself is evil.

HOWEVER, there is no proof whatsoever that it helps society to kill off criminals. you will be unable to find conclusive evidence that the death penalty deters capital crime. If you search hard enough, you'll even find evidence that it increases the rate of homicide in areas where it is administered.

I wasn't defending Tookie at all. I said he deserved to stay behind bars, for the rest of his life, working off his debt to society. as for your little bit about how I would feel if somebody murdered my daughter - well, I'd want them to die. slowly, and painfully. But I thank God that the US government has more discretion than I do when it comes to making decisions like that.

stop putting words in my mouth, and stop filling up this thread with your ultra-conservative, liberal-hating garbage. nobody mentioned the word liberal until you began raving and screaming like a brainwashed, uneducated pre-pubescent kid.

 

[Bling]

Originally posted by Morphiex
of course they wont buy the book themself.....
but there are programs wich uses the books to make kids udnerstand.... they read out loud from the book and stuff, no kid with a parent on minimum wage is gonna buy that book , but a responsible parent will get theyr wanna be gangsta child into a program that might use the book as a way to make kids understand.....

They don't have time for their kids to be putting them into programs. None of them are responsible enough.

Hypothetically speaking, ok, they used his book to use in some wanna be gangsta child program, why does he still need to be alive? Wouldn't it just prove that those that do the crime, take the punishment? Honestly man, what good does his life have for us? He wrote books, isn't that enough? What, do you expect him to be John Steinbeck, and write millions of books? Why do we need to quote the bull**** he wrote?

Originally posted by Morphiex

and do you really think that letting him die is an harder punishment then letting him live his hole life in jail.... ? to me death-penalties are better then a life long sentence in jail.... rather then killing tookie they could have given him a life long sentence without the possibility of parole.... rather then spending about 7 grand on killing him they could have let him live and perhaps he could have helped people in different ways.....
as someone said in an earlier post : would u listen to a suburban male who talks about stats on gang wars and stuff or would you listen to an actual gang member??

I don't have to think... Tookie proved it for me. The guy was afraid of being lethally injected. Why do you think everyone wants off Death Row? Obviously it's harder punishment, because these guys fear it. Prison ain't a ***** nowadays. They'd much rather live than be killed peacefully.

 

[Bling]

Originally posted by Porky
your age is really showing here, Bling.

I'm not against the death penalty per se. it's application is often questionable and the basis on which it was used for countless years was racist and awful, but I am not convinced that the death penalty itself is evil.

HOWEVER, there is no proof whatsoever that it helps society to kill off criminals. you will be unable to find conclusive evidence that the death penalty deters capital crime. If you search hard enough, you'll even find evidence that it increases the rate of homicide in areas where it is administered.

I wasn't defending Tookie at all. I said he deserved to stay behind bars, for the rest of his life, working off his debt to society. as for your little bit about how I would feel if somebody murdered my daughter - well, I'd want them to die. slowly, and painfully. But I thank God that the US government has more discretion than I do when it comes to making decisions like that.

stop putting words in my mouth, and stop filling up this thread with your ultra-conservative, liberal-hating garbage. nobody mentioned the word liberal until you began raving and screaming like a brainwashed, uneducated pre-pubescent kid.

Amazing, once you can't beat the posts, you have to attack the poster.


Ready to open your mind up?
Again, writing a book that he probably didn't believe what he said doesn't make the crime go away. He was sentenced to Death Row. The purpose of Death Row isn't to eliminate crime, the purpose of Death Row is kill the guys that fear what they did to others. It also helps to put closure in these victim's family's lives. What Tookie did to America, no matter how many books he writes, will leave a dent here in America for a while. People will die tomorrow and the next day because of this guy. Kids aren't going to listen to this guy as long as his mess lives on. It's amazing too... liberals are all up into "kids will be kids" "they'll always think sex is fun no matter how much you preach abstinence", yet they won't stay true to their beliefs when it comes to thugs? For every kid that stays abstained because they believe in abstinence, they'll be just as many listening to Tookie William's books.



The crips will still be crips, and nothing will change because of Tookie. Killing him only lessend the pain of the lives of the victims.

 

[Bling]

Originally posted by frivolousz21
is this a real word?

Is that all you got?

 

[Morphiex]

Originally posted by Bling
Amazing, once you can't beat the posts, you have to attack the poster.


Ready to open your mind up?
Again, writing a book that he probably didn't believe what he said doesn't make the crime go away. He was sentenced to Death Row. The purpose of Death Row isn't to eliminate crime, the purpose of Death Row is kill the guys that fear what they did to others. It also helps to put closure in these victim's family's lives. What Tookie did to America, no matter how many books he writes, will leave a dent here in America for a while. People will die tomorrow and the next day because of this guy. Kids aren't going to listen to this guy as long as his mess lives on. It's amazing too... liberals are all up into "kids will be kids" "they'll always think sex is fun no matter how much you preach abstinence", yet they won't stay true to their beliefs when it comes to thugs? For every kid that stays abstained because they believe in abstinence, they'll be just as many listening to Tookie William's books.



The crips will still be crips, and nothing will change because of Tookie. Killing him only lessend the pain of the lives of the victims.

theres a differance whenn preeching about not having sex and doing gang violence.... the kids do have sex cuz they know that we the adults have it aswell , and in my oppinnion having sex before marriage isent wrong, sex is and act of plesure not and act of Pure love and such bull**** the media puts in your head... the reason that people preeched that we shouldnt have sex before marriage in the old days was because , they didnt want people with several kids from different fathers , now a days we have things like condoms and birth control pills that help against that.....

while preeching about gangs and such , we all know that this is wrong and thats why we got to teach the kids , make them understand that its wrong ... The kids that do join gangs , do it cuz they have no other choice , its a kill or be killed world out there right now ..... they either get you to join or you end up being a target for someone else .... and the shcools and such they dont give much hope to kids , they dont even tell them all the options they have in theyr future , the kids are raised in a way to believe that they either have to become a gang member to earn money or be good at sports and get a shcolarship..... cuz most of them dont want to work at an minimum wage job 7 -8 hours a day and still not have enough money to live off on.....
and then theres the dumb ****s that think that violance is cool being in a gang is cool u get the bling u get the women u get the cars... and thanks to people like fifty cent, they start beliving that its true , they say he was in a gang he got shot now hes a multi millionare....

but back to tookie , how can you know what hes gonna do in the fututre , he might have been helpfull in many other way... he was in a way a rolemodel to kids ,i dont care if he was really redeemed himself... as long as he came off as the person who was the leader of a gang now is really against it , to the outside world , then i dont care .... im just saying that he would have been more valuable alive then dead......

 

[frivolousz21]

Is that all you got?

your not listening kid...your obnoixious....a trait of a young teenager.


your upset because u feel attacked..and uve attacked me.

 

[Unregistered]

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[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
Damn, after passing the death sentence, Arnold should have said, "Hasta la vista, baby!".

Just so long as Tooky didn't say "I'll be back..."

 

[Derek Flint]

Originally posted by TheInfamousCBear
Allow me to vent in this thread...

The reason why people were trying to defend him was because they feel he didnt get a fair trial and he was set up by racist cops and an all white jury...If he did, that sucks but does anyone honestly think they were gonna let him live anyway? Cmon, if youre a black male, you know the game, if you give someone a damn papercut you get 10 years, this guy started one of the biggest gangs ever...I try to avoid the system so much that I cant even hit someone in the jaw cause I dont want those filthy pigs hands on me, Id rather die than go to jail, cause when you get out, youre branded and you cant even work, cause little piece of sh1t $7 an hour jobs are doing backround checks now...

If anything, this should be a lesson to young black/lation males to stay out of the system...Im so sick of these black kids that grow up in the damn burbs thinking that they are street just because they are black, and they look at me funny cause Im not in to all of that anymore and I moved on to other sh1t...So even though they dont have the same problems as poorer black people, they still go to jail and do stupid sh1t when they could be bringing the race up...Who's fault is it? Black people let the media think that if you arnt from the street, youre not black, and everyone follows that sh1t, even white people think that if you dont use slang and whatnot, you arnt black, that started back in the 70's...Happens to people in my family all the time, and most of us lived in the projects or whatever you want to call it, its just that you move on to other sh1t...

Oh yeah, and God forbid you dont do things the same as every other black person, cause you wont get any love, sorry I dont wear fitteds 24/7 and long ass shirts looking like dresses...That sh1t is so stupid, like thats whats being black is about...No wonder black people die from heart attacks and shi1t, were always stressed out about sh1t like this...

So whats the moral of the story? If youre a black male, stay the fukk out of trouble, dont get arrested or whatever cause you might get set up, and even if you try to do good later, noone cares...

It wasn't an all-white jury.

 

[Derek Flint]

Originally posted by CLOONEY
Its a hard call.

People change.

He did win a nobel peace prize and most definately saved lives.

The man also took lives.

Depends how you see it I guess. In Australia the man would have probably been out on parole in a few more years. In the United States, he received the death scentence.

He certainly did a lot of time for his crimes, but lets face it, isnt the point of jail to try and change one from their criminal ways? Most of the time it does not work, for him it did (or at least seemed too).

Either way, its a tough call. The man did both bad and good in the world.

And like I said before, people do change.

Then again, tell that to the families of people he murdered!

As far as him founding the crips, if he didnt take his large part in the founding of the crips, a gang of the sort would have been founded anyways. And if it wasnt, even more gang killings would have taken place as there would have been even more gang warfare between numerous smaller gangs. With possibly, far larger detrimental consequences. Either way, these "gang bangers" choose this way of life for whatever reason, and as the saying goes, "you do the crime, you do the time", weather that means death or loss of liberty!

No, he did NOT win a nobel peace prize.

And how many copies of his books were sold?

A few hundred?

BFD

Classic case of the media making this guy out to be some kind of hero, when in fact, he's nothing more than a common criminal, a thug, a punk and a murderer.

What the hell is wrong with you people?

This guy has nothing to offer society.

Never has and he never would have.

 

[CLOONEY]

Originally posted by Derek Flint
No, he did NOT win a nobel peace prize.

And how many copies of his books were sold?

A few hundred?

BFD

Classic case of the media making this guy out to be some kind of hero, when in fact, he's nothing more than a common criminal, a thug, a punk and a murderer.

What the hell is wrong with you people?

This guy has nothing to offer society.

Never has and he never would have.

Sorry, you are right, he did not win one, but wasnt he nominated 5 times?


"Now Williams speaks out about what it's really like in prison. Rather than being a place where men can prove their toughness, prison is where men sometimes go stir-crazy, or are even killed. Williams presents a riveting account of day-to-day life behind bars, from the humiliation of strip searches to being locked in solitary confinement in the Hole. He challenges you to think about how your life would change if you lived in prison.


American Library Association Award
Life in Prison was recently honored by the American Library Association as one of their "Quick Picks for Reluctant Readers." The Quick Picks group of books consists of outstanding books that stimulate teen readers who would otherwise be reluctant to read".

I am sure more than a few hundred were sold. Were you a black youth growing up in a troubled neighbourhood? So how do you know how many books have been read and/or distributed? As pointed out above, he did more than just write children books, he wrote another book for teenagers and young adults about life in prison, trying to deter youth from entering such a life of crime.

I am not saying the man deserved to live, I am not argueing anything. I am simply stating people do change (wether or not tookie did is not upto me or you to decide), and if he did change for the better, I personally do not think he should have been executed, considering he may have saved more lives if still been alive today.

The man definately had a lot of bad in him, but maybe that was bought out more in his youth, age usually makes a man more humble, and this appeared likely with Tookie.

This is a debate nobody can win, is just a personal opinion thing, and I am sure very very few on this site actually know enough about his entire life to judge him.

Guess the truth will be judged in the afterlife, if it exists, but I do beleive it does.

 

[Porky]

Originally posted by Bling
Amazing, once you can't beat the posts, you have to attack the poster.

I did beat your posts. I destroyed them. I attacked the poster because the poster deserves to be attacked.

go ahead, completely ignore everything of consequence that I had to say and just focus on the thing that hurt your feelings the most. very mature.

if you're going to post on a big-boy forum, at least act older than you are.

thanks.

you bleeding vagina.

 

[muttley]

Just a question really.

The guys who are saying tookie deserved it, are you just stating opinion based on first looks or have you really looked deeply into tookies case/facts/history/trial/life ?

 

[TheInfamousCBear]

Originally posted by Derek Flint
It wasn't an all-white jury.

Link me to a page or something that tells me what went down...I cared so little about the topic so I went off hearsay from what someone else told me, lol...Either way, its still stupid to think that they would let him live, cmon now...

 

[Derek Flint]

Originally posted by CLOONEY
Sorry, you are right, he did not win one, but wasnt he nominated 5 times?


"Now Williams speaks out about what it's really like in prison. Rather than being a place where men can prove their toughness, prison is where men sometimes go stir-crazy, or are even killed. Williams presents a riveting account of day-to-day life behind bars, from the humiliation of strip searches to being locked in solitary confinement in the Hole. He challenges you to think about how your life would change if you lived in prison.


American Library Association Award
Life in Prison was recently honored by the American Library Association as one of their "Quick Picks for Reluctant Readers." The Quick Picks group of books consists of outstanding books that stimulate teen readers who would otherwise be reluctant to read".

I am sure more than a few hundred were sold. Were you a black youth growing up in a troubled neighbourhood? So how do you know how many books have been read and/or distributed? As pointed out above, he did more than just write children books, he wrote another book for teenagers and young adults about life in prison, trying to deter youth from entering such a life of crime.

I am not saying the man deserved to live, I am not argueing anything. I am simply stating people do change (wether or not tookie did is not upto me or you to decide), and if he did change for the better, I personally do not think he should have been executed, considering he may have saved more lives if still been alive today.

The man definately had a lot of bad in him, but maybe that was bought out more in his youth, age usually makes a man more humble, and this appeared likely with Tookie.

This is a debate nobody can win, is just a personal opinion thing, and I am sure very very few on this site actually know enough about his entire life to judge him.

Guess the truth will be judged in the afterlife, if it exists, but I do beleive it does.

So what? Some bleeding heart liberal nominated him for a Nobel Peace Prize?

And I read an article earlier today stating that about 330 copies of his book were sold before all the publicity.

Again, big deal.

I'll see if I can find the article when I have time.

Regardless, the media is making this guy out to be some kind of Saint, when in fact, he was a gang-banger.
A thug. A murderer.

The lowest form of life.

And there are people out there who are sympathetic to this piece of human garbage?

Please.

They should have their collective heads examined.

To even argue that his life should be spared because he allegedly did some good, which no one seems to know exactly what, is assinine.

Now, every thug on Death Row is going to write some book that won't sell enough copies to make a decent bonfire and claim redemption.

And they'll be plenty of suckers out there lapping it up.

Regardless, his books can live on without him.

There's your life lesson:

Do the crime, pay the price.

 

[Bling]

LMAO! Ask anyone here, and I won. I took every BS you tried to put, and made it look stupid. He has no use for society, but you'd much rather defend a thug than victims.

Originally posted by Porky
you bleeding vagina.

So I guess the rumors are true!!!... the 40 year-old virgin was actually based on a true story!!!

 

[seanchai]

You know what's messed up? Tookie was put to death for killing four people; Croatian war criminal and ethnic cleanser General Ante Gotovina, murderer of several hundred, probably won't even be found guilty in the ICC. Maybe there's something to be said for American justice.