CP: 25 Points of Qualifying Yourself (TylerDurden of Masf)

[Pap]

The below is a checklist of things to NOT do or else you may appear too eager during pickup. These are not rigid guidelines (and you can get away with doing a few of these if you do enough things right); however, these are things people often do that make them seem like they are trying to overqualify themself.

Cheers,

Papa
[email protected]

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[Excerpt of post by TylerDurden from fastseduction.com, mASF]

25 POINT CHECKLIST:


1) FIDGETY MOVEMENTS AND TIGHT SHOULDERS AND TAKING YOURSELF TOO SERIOUSLY OR
BEING TOO BUSINESSLIKE OR "SOPHISTICATED" (not laughing or being relaxed) =
very visible subconsious (or conscious) self-doubt, overcompensating through
non-relaxed state, where you're prepared to deal with anything that could
happen. Ever met someone who doesn't blink when you talk to them?


2) TALKING TOO FAST = worried that people will stop listening to you unless you
get out something that will interest them before they leave


3) LAUGHING AT YOUR OWN JOKES = covering up that you aren't affected that
others didn't laugh, and social nervousness


4) SAYING "RIGHT" OR "YOU KNOW" AFTER STATEMENTS = seeking validation that what
you said was true, or saying it because others aren't


5) STANDING WITH LEGS NOT HALF A METER APART AT LEAST = worried that you'll
infringe on other people's personal space


6) TALKING TOO SOFTLY OR LOUD = fear that you'll impose yourself on people and
their personal space(ie: beta).. alpha males aren't afraid to project their
voice.. YET, talking obviously too LOUD can also be seen as OVERCOMPENSATING.
Just like guys who wear GENERIC clothes are trying to fit in, or guys who wear
OUTRAGEOUS clothes are trying too hard to overcompensate. (hint: be careful
with peacocking, find a style that doesn't come off this way, which can be
tricky but is still very doable).. Some guys don't talk, some talk too much,
etc etc.. Find appropriate balance through trial and error, which is determined
through social observation,


7) MOVING YOUR HANDS AROUND WHILE YOU TALK = trying to keep the attention of
the group (sometimes can be cool, but most often a form of qualifying yourself)


8) LEANING IN *or* 'PECKING' = too eager to talk.. NEVER lean in no matter how
loud the environment is MAKE HER LEAN IN or just leave but NEVER lean in or
"peck" as its also called.


9) FACING BODY/FEET TOWARDS HER BEFORE SHE EARNED IT = trying to gain rapport
with her too eagerly.


10) CHASING WHEN SHE WALKS AWAY = hoping she'll listen. If a chick moves away
from you, move your bodylanguage MORE away from her, so she'll be drawn back..
don't CHASE her... WTF?!@?!?


11) NOT WITHDRAWING (backturns, etc) WHEN SHE DOES SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T
TOLERATE FROM AN UGLY GIRL OR A GUY = trying too hard to pick her up


12) ANSWERING QUESTIONS TOO QUICKLY/EARLY = too much interest in the
conversation

 

[Pap]

13) TURNING YOUR HEAD (OR "SNAPPING") WHEN YOU'RE ADDRESSED = too eager to be
in convo.. so if your head is facing the other direction, and a girl says
something to you, turn it SLOWLY to her, don't snap it out of eagerness to hear
her


14) GOING BACK TO A PRIOR THREAD THAT WAS INTERUPTED AT THE FIRST
CHANCE/BREAK-IN-CONVO THAT YOU GET = trying too hard to impress them.. (ie:
when a thread gets broken off in the convo, and you go back to it FIRST chance
you get when the other topic ends, you look like you were WAITING to get back
to it.. WHY are you so eager to get back on it, unless you don't feel
comfortable around the person and you need to qualify yourself to them?) WAIT
until THEY say "what was that you were saying before?", and THEN go back to
it.. if it doesn't happen, *DROP IT* even if it was good.


15) NOT APPEARING MORE INTO YOUR WINGMAN THEN THE CHICK = trying too hard to
pick her up.. you've known your wingman longer than her.. why do you pay more
attention to her than your wing???


16) TOO EAGER TO PAY ATTENTION - SAYING "what?" IF YOU CAN'T HEAR HER, PRIOR TO
BEING IN RAPPORT = too much interest in what she's saying.. if she mumbles,
just STACK OPENERS into an entirely DIFFERENT topic, RATHER than saying "what?"
This is ****ing KEY KEY KEY. If you say "what?" you'll lose her unless you're
already past attraction and into rapport. If this happens, just run a new
opener and change the topic. 1- you don't look too eager, 2- you look alpha
for being disinterested in what she's talking about which helps anyway


17) REPLYING WITH OVERLY THOUGHT-OUT OF LOGICAL ANSWERS OR WITH OVERLY
CLEAR/FORMAL PRONUNCIATION = being concerned that you won't be accepted unless
you convince really well (eg. HB: why did you ask me that... RIGHT = I'm
talking. (sit and stare) WRONG = because I really need to know since I've
been thinking about this for a while.. the FIRST one conveys that you won't
qualify yourself to her)


18) TAKING TOO MANY SENTENCES TO STATE AN IDEA THAT COULD BE STATED IN LESS
SPACE = qualifying yourself. Commander Zap emails me a few months ago:
"Remember TD, don't write what you can say, don't say what you can wink, don't
wink what you can smile" TIGHT. The shorter you can explain something in, the
more PROFOUND you'll appear. Why? You're not qualifying yourself.
(ironically I'm massively guilty of this, due to the fact that I post when I'm
really tired - see #21 to spot what was wrong with this last sentence)

19) BEING BOLD INSTEAD OF CONFIDENT = that you know that you can't pick her up,
so you compensate with self-defeating actions so that the snub can be on "your
terms". Saying "I'm sexy right?" or "baby I want some of that" or even just
approaching when the logistics are totally unrealistic is too eager, because a
CONFIDENT person wouldn't feel the NEED to say these kinds of things.. these
things are symptoms of OVERCOMPENSATION for INSECURITIES.. which leads
to..........


20) OVERCOMPENSATING INSECURITIES = fear of not being accepted. Have you ever
met a janitor who the first thing he says is "money is over-rated.. I would
never get caught up in the corporate world" blah blah.. if they'd have just
said "I'm a janitor" and LEFT IT AT THAT we wouldn't have even THOUGHT that
anything was wrong with it.. but because they INSTANTLY start overcompensating,
it comes off as overcompensating or qualifying. Same with if they BRING IT UP
TOO EARLY. Like "hey, I'm Steve.. I'm a janitor and I love it".. They're
TRYING to be ****y but it comes off as COMPENSATING. BE COMFORTABLE WITH
YOURSELF. If you're BALD, don't say "would you love a bald man?" as a pickup
line. It's not ****Y.... its BOLD. If you're bad looking, don't say "don't
you think I'm sexy". Just be comfortable with yourself, and don't bring up the
issue at all.


21) OVERCOMPENSATING FAILURE OR SHORTCOMINGS = fear of being judged.. if you do
poorly on a presentation, or on a sarge in front of a wingman, or on a test, DO
NOT SAY DUMB **** LIKE "I'm really tired". EVEN IF you're ACTUALLY really
tired, the mere act of saying "I'm tired" comes off as QUALIFYING yourself to
the person. Just don't bring it up. If you have ****ty clothes on, don't say
"I have nicer clothes at home." Just don't bring it up. If you meet a girl
when you're dressed bad, don't say "I have the coolest club clothes at home"
Just don't bring it up.


22) GOING BACKWARDS IN THE PICKUP ON HER SCHEDULE = too eager to lay her.. if
you've already GONE THROUGH the whole "let's ballbust and **** test eachother"
attraction phase of the pickup, and you're now in RAPPORT -> if she tries to
ballbust you at this point then just WITHDRAW ATTENTION. DO NOT BALLBUST BACK.
It seems COUNTER INTUITIVE, but once you've gone through that whole little
attract phase, and you're now being nice to eachother in rapport, DO NOT let
her rewind the sarge by answering her ballbusting with ballbusts of your own.
Just withdraw attention, to show that you're not interested in going BACKWARDS
in a sarge.


23) WAITING FOR HER IF SHE LEAVES FOR ANY REASON (LIKE SAYS "I'M GOING TO THE
WASHROOM, WAIT HERE) = too eager and into the convo.. if she goes to the
washroom, make sure you're into another set by the time she gets back.


24) OVERLY REMEMBERING DETAILS ABOUT PAST CONVOS = convo means too much to you,
because the person has unusual value to you (ie: a hot chick). Of course, I'm
not advocating to be a total ****, but the general rule of thumb is that if you
wouldn't have remembered a FAT CHICK or a GUY saying it, then don't remember
the HB9 chick saying it. If some random dude said it and you would have
remembered, then FINE. If you were in an unusually intimate convo that's also
fine. But otherwise FAKE forgetting, even if she's a model and you remember
every word. Even forget her name. If you see a random chick from your class
or work, but you never talked to her, OPEN LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW HER. Don't give
into the temptation to say "we work together". Just open like a random chick,
and maybe if you get snubbed then pull out that card to save face, but only as
a LAST RESORT.


25) OFFERING TOO MUCH ABOUT YOURSELF TOO *EARLY* = too eager to make them like
you.. subcategories of this are:

A) Verbally: if you say to a chick "yeah, I just got back from NYC (or any cool
place that would impress)" or "yeah, I just got my Rolex fixed", or "yeah, my
stripper ex-girlfriend told me..." then she PICKS UP on the fact that you're
trying too hard to impress her.. Same with NAME DROPPING.. DON'T GIVE GIRLS
YOUR RESUME TOO EARLY.. Personality conveying routines should convey
personality COVERTLY, so it looks like the story is just SO COOL that its WORTH
TELLING on its own accord, and it just HAPPENS to have some good things about
you in it. When offering good things about yourself, don't offer boring
details. Say it with less detail, and it seems less eager. INSINUATE THAT
WHICH YOU ARE TEMPTED TO ELICIDATE (holy ****, I just made up that last catchy
sentence, but I've gotta say that I'm the ****.. right?)

B) Entertaining: If you have stuff like patterns, or the CUBE, or magic, or
photos, or palmreading, and you do this EARLY, it comes off as TRY-HARD.
Personally I don't use any of these things, but alot of guys do, and when they
bust them out prior to the chick EARNING it, it comes off TRY-HARD. Use the
stuff LATER, but not right away.

*****C) Wanting rapport with someone who didn't earn it: WHAT THE **** IS THIS
****??? I swear to god, almost *EVERY* PUA I meet live in field does this
****, and its SUPER LAME. Going up to a chick and saying "nice necklace" or
"what's your name" or "where did you get that?" is ****ING DORK SUPER LAME.
WHY THE **** DO YOU CARE ABOUT THIS STUFF FROM A R-A-N-D-O-M PERSON????? The
counter argument to this is that you're not hiding your desires blah blah blah
she's a hot girl and she should be happy that you're approaching, but this is
INTERNET RHETORIC.. and this approach is STILL hiding your desires behind the
GUISE that you're nice, so even if the rhetoric was true, it would STILL be
ineffective... In the INTERNET ARMCHAIR GAME this stuff is FINE, but in the
REAL FIELD GAME this **** screws you over before you've even started gaming.
It's ****ing bull****, and NOBODY who isn't very goodlooking or socially
proofed (or whatever high value) PRIOR to going in, can make this kind of
approach work consistently on HB8.5+ chicks. TRYING FOR RAPPORT TOO EARLY IS
QUALIFYING YOURSELF TO HER BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT EARNED IT.

D) Talking without feedback: When you're talking to someone, and they don't
give feedback, and you're talking and talking, you BETA YOURSELF. It's a
DOWNWARD SPIRAL, where you start talking TOO MUCH, and you SENSE that you're
qualifying yourself, so you overcompensate EVEN MORE by TALKING and TALKING
more and more.. Then you feel more and more beta'ed because you qualified
yourself, and you're left treading water, grabbing at ANYTHING that will
impress the person, so you keep talking in hopes of saying that one thing that
will impress them. AVOID this by not talking too much unless THEY give some
feedback. IN THE FIELD you do this by PAUSING and FORCING them to fill in the
awkward gaps.

 

[Player_Supreme]

Are you marketing one of these socalled new dating programs?

 

[Starman]

Great Post

I agree with all points except

7) MOVING YOUR HANDS AROUND WHILE YOU TALK = trying to keep the attention of
the group (sometimes can be cool, but most often a form of qualifying yourself)


8) LEANING IN *or* 'PECKING' = too eager to talk.. NEVER lean in no matter how
loud the environment is MAKE HER LEAN IN or just leave but NEVER lean in or
"peck" as its also called.



with #7 - Research has shown that the most dynamic speakers, professors, motivational artists, CEO's and world leaders express points with their hands, the demand respect, recognition, and enthusiasm


#8 - Groping her to get your words in is a no-no. Most girls are turned on by a guy speaking softly in their ears. Normally, when somebody cant hear you, they will tilt their head towards you. This is when you take the opportunity to speak into her ear. DONT YELL!! and do Meet 1/2 WAY! (i.e. if she is pulling back DONT just jump in her ear and start talking)

Man I almost decked a few people in my life who were drunk, and when I couldnt hear what they were saying, They shifted their entire body towards me, propped their chin on my shoulder and started yelling.

*WHACK!*

 

[Pap]

Player, not qualifying and appearing too eager is something that I not only promote, but it's also something that's been around on mASF for a long time. Also, thanks for giving me a call on the phone today...I love chatting from guys about the Game and I'm looking forward to meeting up when you come down here, bro.

Now, back to qualifying...

I was going through the archives of the PLAY List and I noticed that the Ferminator (of mASF) has collaborated a great deal of TD's material that has really helped me understanding the dynamic of the PU...and I found a great tidbit on qualifying...

[The below are excerpts from TylerDurden's post on mASF called Spastic Ramblings Part 1 and 2, edited by Ferminator.]

C&F WORKS because you hit a sharp emotion "Oh that ****y guy, how
could he say that!", but because its FUNNY at the same time as
****y, she doesn't get upset. KEY: Making them LAUGH disarms you
increasing buying temperature, because the laughter disarms any
discomfort.

PUSH/PULL WORKS because as buying temperature increases, chicks have
NATURAL tendency to throw themselves out of state. By gaming them,
but pushing them AWAY, they have PERMISSION to ALLOW themselves to
go deeper and deeper into state, because they don't worry that
you'll exploit that and **** them "after all, he did say hands off
the merchandise.. I can feel this way, and he still won't **** me"..
This is why chicks LOVE gay guys. Because they feel they won't ****
them even if they hit buying temperature. So they can walk around
all day at high buying temperature, and not worry that there will be
consequences.

FALSE DISQUALIFIERS AND FALSE TIME CONSTRAINTS WORK because the
chick says "oh well he can't **** me.. I can feel free to feel
this".. Or "well he's about to leave, so I can feel free to feel
this way"

PRODDING HER TO **** TEST YOU - **INDUCING** HER **** TESTING
MECHANISM:
The BEST and most RELIABLE way to get laid that I personally know of
is to INDUCE the chick to **** test you.
This is the NEXT STEP of the PU, after the opener, when PUing girls
with certain personality types (basically, most hotties.. the
exception are girls who are very down to earth and secure, dont
believe in stupid **** like ESP, etc etc.. those girls are the
HARDEST to PU, because they KNOW the deal and dont succumb to
emotions to easily.. for them, the best strategy is to use
this SAME STUFF, but at the same time to be very ATTUNED to her and
MODERATE)
OK, this may sound strange, but there is no bigger KISS OF DEATH in
the PU than when the chick is being NICE to you.
For example, if you see a chick who you knew in high school, the
BEST way to pick her up is to NOT BRING UP that you already know
her. BETTER, is to just PU her like NORMAL. Worse case scenario, YOU
are left in the power position, since she remembered YOU. But if you
bring it up, then she instantly OPENS up to you, and is therefore
DISENGAGED sexually. This is not necessarily a RULE, but a sweeping
generalization that I have seen in field many times (chick likes me,
convo is sexually charged, I bring up that I know her, convo shifts
to how have you been and chemistry falls flat).
I was hanging out with Mysterys ex-girlfriend the other night. This
511 megabomb. She was laughing at how guys will chat her for a few
hours, THINKING that theyre getting somewhere, when really shes just
in the mood to CHAT. The problem they havent ENGAGED her LIMBIC
BRAIN, and she isnt **** TESTING, to see if they are WORTHY.
For me, the answer is to go PUSH PULL, ASAP.

That means QUALIFYING, TEASING, and JOKING about being together, and
broken up, again and again. Learn to be the MASTER of PUSH-PULL. I
am a master of it now, and I FULLY CREDIT the innovative C&F masters
SWINGCAT, KOOPER, BADBOY, ZAN, STYLE, DAVID D, and many others I
picked up great lines and attitudes from, for helping me to get
where I am with it. Heres an EXAMPLE of a STRUCTURE, which should of
course have OTHER STUFF worked into it (IOW, dont follow this to the
letter, but use it as a skeleton):
Roll up on her, make funny faces, smile and hit her, and wrap your
arm around her (kino-opener, described many times in operation
mayhem posts).. you are CUTE.. I think that youll make a NICE new
GIRLFRIEND.. hahah, hey WAIT.. I need a girl who can cook.. you
cant?? OK, were broken up.. actually wait, you
DO smell good.. very alluring.. actually WAIT!! do you eat SOAP???
oh man, we are BROKEN UP.. no no, definitely broken up.. you are
BAD.. hahaha, for sure!!.. are you adventurous?? cause I cant even
hang with you unless youre adventurous.. mmm,. that does sound
adventurous.. alright we can hang, but I cant take you to my COOL
places because you might just be PG-13 adventurous, not R-rated
adventurous.. really, you did X-ACTIVITY?? hmm.. OK maybe youre
cool.. oh man, imagine if we ran away and did X-ADVENTURE (make up a
1-2 minute Bonnie & Clyde type adventure) together.. and we could
STEAL this X-STUFF (whatever is in front of you) and SELL IT.. No??
OK Im taking THIS then! (grab HER ****, and shell WRESTLE you for
it).. haha, OK fine, I wont do that.. I have a better plan.. I need
a RICH girl.. are YOU?? no?? do you have cable though?? SWEET, I can
watch daytime SOAPS.. NICE!! OOOOOH MAN, we are getting
MARRIED RIGHT NOW.. Will you MARRY ME??? OMG I am SO SERIOUS, well
get married RIGHT NOW.. (then have a person in the room pretend to
MARRY the two of you, and you exchange items together like rings or
something, and kiss AT LEAST on the cheek)... OK AWESOME, now that
were married I can DIVORCE you and live in your house and watch
DAYTIME TV..
What this does is ENGAGES her sexually, and then DISENGAGES her
sexually, over and over and over. Its not like if you say youre my
new girlfriend.. lets make plans to go out.. lets make plans to be
together.. lets be together, which would be PULL, PULL, PULL, PULL.
She would RESIST that strategy 9 times
out of 10. By doing PUSH PULL, her limbic brain is ENGAGED, but then
DISENGAGED before she has a chance to RESIST. The result will be
like a FISH, who you reel in, let fight and let out slack, reel in
more, let fight more, reel in more, etc etc etc etc..
It gets her HOT, but the PUSH disarms her RESISTANCE, before you
proceed to PULL again.
KEEP DOING THIS AS LONG AS NECESSARY until she **** TESTS you. Look
up the dissecting **** test passing measures post, to INTERNALIZE
the STRUCTURE of passing a **** test in DETAIL. The short of it is:
1) AGREE to the **** test
2) CREATIVELY MISINTERPRET the **** test as her saying she WANTS YOU
2a) In some situations, tell her that despite that, she still cannot
have you unless she meets x-qualification
HER: youre a player
YOU: yeah... so what is it about players that turns you on so much
**OR**
1) AGREE to the **** test
2) Use CALLBACK humour to misinterpret your actions in a funny way
HER: do you plan this stuff?
YOU: yeah.. I even plan to go out and meet little POWERPUFF girls
(or whatever NEG you used earlier.. CALLBACK the neg you used
earlier)
The POINT of this, is that you KEEP JOKING that you are together
apart together apart, until you ENGAGE her LIMBIC BRAIN, which she
will REACT by **** TESTING YOU. Since you INTERNALIZE how to PASS
the **** tests techniques, and you pass with PERFECT SCORE, she will
become aroused very quickly, and attempt to GET RAPPORT with you.
You will know that she is at her BOILING point when she gives you a
SIGN. A SIGN is like when she says whats your name?, or what do you
do?, or where do you come from? She is LEANING IN, and showing
strong interest Wide eyes, open body language, facing you, etc etc
etc..
So that is my personal favourite way to PROJECT VALUE being ****Y
PLAYFUL.
However, this is not the ONLY WAY to project value.

 

[Pap]

Starman, I agree with you, bro. Moving your hands around while speaking is a trait many charismatic speakers. What I believe TylerDurden is referring to is when guys are doing these actions in a way that makes them seem like they are too eager by reaching in and touching the girl or making elaborate gestures to try to keep the girls' attention when losing control of the set when gaming a girl. Also, you are right about pecking, especially in a loud club, where you need to talk in the girls' ear. I'll often do so in a super-loud club and there are many other subtleties. The overqualifying only comes through excessive pecking or appearing too eager while doing so. The thing is about any of the above points is that all of these things can be done; however, if they are done, then you don't want to do them in a way that appears eager. The bottom line point of the post is that there are many subtle keys in body language to look out for and if you wing with me, it'll be easier for me to show you than write.

 

[Starman]

Another technique I do often with #13 (snapping)

is when someone male or female calls my NAME while in a group, I ignore the 1st attempt to get my attention, then the 2nd time when they call me I slowly turn my head.

This is also GREAT social proof, when you are around other girls. They NOTICE others trying to get your attention and realize its not as simple as calling your name. Cheap gimmick but it works wonders.

and when a chick trys to tell a joke/funny story (unless its really funny), I just look at them at the punchline SERIOUSLY as if it was the stupidest Joke, then I Laugh a little and shake my head. That way you are QUALIFYING HER by not forcing a laugh..Laughing at all her jokes means she is QUALIFYING YOU.

 

[italostud]

That is so money. I've gotta work that soap line into my routine somewhere hahahaha.




Roll up on her, make funny faces, smile and hit her, and wrap your
arm around her (kino-opener, described many times in operation
mayhem posts).. you are CUTE.. I think that youll make a NICE new
GIRLFRIEND.. hahah, hey WAIT.. I need a girl who can cook.. you
cant?? OK, were broken up.. actually wait, you
DO smell good.. very alluring.. actually WAIT!! do you eat SOAP???
oh man, we are BROKEN UP.. no no, definitely broken up.. you are
BAD.. hahaha, for sure!!.. are you adventurous?? cause I cant even
hang with you unless youre adventurous.. mmm,. that does sound
adventurous.. alright we can hang, but I cant take you to my COOL
places because you might just be PG-13 adventurous, not R-rated
adventurous.. really, you did X-ACTIVITY?? hmm.. OK maybe youre
cool.. oh man, imagine if we ran away and did X-ADVENTURE (make up a
1-2 minute Bonnie & Clyde type adventure) together.. and we could
STEAL this X-STUFF (whatever is in front of you) and SELL IT.. No??
OK Im taking THIS then! (grab HER ****, and shell WRESTLE you for
it).. haha, OK fine, I wont do that.. I have a better plan.. I need
a RICH girl.. are YOU?? no?? do you have cable though?? SWEET, I can
watch daytime SOAPS.. NICE!! OOOOOH MAN, we are getting
MARRIED RIGHT NOW.. Will you MARRY ME??? OMG I am SO SERIOUS, well
get married RIGHT NOW.. (then have a person in the room pretend to
MARRY the two of you, and you exchange items together like rings or
something, and kiss AT LEAST on the cheek)... OK AWESOME, now that
were married I can DIVORCE you and live in your house and watch
DAYTIME TV..

 

[Starman]

Pap,

Ive read your stuff so far, and its pretty good

Your technique above is wayyyy tooo long winded and might have worked for you on several occassions, Im not sure exactly where you would try an approach like that

but at clubs/bars(where I sarge mostly), most girls will not play out that entire scenario with you, unless she already feels some high level of attraction. Especially if there are better looking guys she is interested in or she has friends giving her the rolling eyes as she is waiting for her friend to be "hit on" and your wingmen arent doing their jobs

or even when the music is too loud, and people are bumping into you back and forth breaking rapport & communication

furthermore, too much of a good thing is BAD, because it looses its luster and effect..eventually she will see your PUSH/PULL, PUSH/PULL, PUSH/PULL as a repetitive joke and too predictable and it loses its appeal and mystery factor (does he like me? does he not?)

what HAS worked for me is using it sparingly in conversation

"Wow! You Smell GREAT!"

Her: Well thanks!

You: "Is that Burger King?"

or

"Wow! your the most beautiful thing in this place!"

Her: Thanks!

You: And this is WITHOUT my beer goggles!

Ive even had luck with the whole "There you are! Are you cheating on me again?? Im getting a divorce!" (as an initial PU opener)

but like I said, if you pick the right girl who is playful, and will play along with that whole PUSH/PULL scenario, GREAT!

Otherwise, I really cant see that entire overkill of Push/Pull working unless the chick has good rapport and her undivided attention to you.

 

[squirrels]

Saved for future reference. Good guidelines. I'm sure there ARE exceptions, but for the most part it makes sense.

 

[Pap]

Starman,

Right on, bro. There is a point after the attraction when you need to phase shift and focus on rapport and developing a connection. Push/Pull is a tactic to demonstrate higher value, a sense of humor, and to get her to chase you. After you have attraction, you need to phase shift to rapport and develop a connection.

Cheers,

Papa

 

[CLOONEY]

hmmmmmm, the later ones are good basic guildelines. However some of those start ones, being business like is OK, some chicks dig that sh*t! Moving your hands around when you talk. Talking fast, sometimes shows energy. Laughing at your own jokes, if their funny laugh, even some comedians laugh after their jokes, some of the best ones too. and saying right after a scentence, this can be ambiguous language, as "right" can often mean you get it. Hardly is asking a question. And if you are asking a question maybe you are not sure and just asking for clarification, nothing wrong with that.

Take it easy, too many rules in this place.

 

[Pap]

Clooney, I completely agree with you. The above 25 points are things that are just meant not to be done in a way that appears like you are qualifying yourself. For example, if you ask too many questions early on and before conveying value...or if you laugh at your own jokes when they flop to purposefully overcompensate.

 

[Imbrondir]

By watching comedians who laughs at their own jokes, they do this when:
a) Their audience is already laughing. (Kind of gains rapport with them)
or
b) They want to bust something that is NOT funny.

Nice post pap. I'm not sure about how you deliever a disqualification btw? Sorta like.... "I'm too busy for being with chicks" stuff? Or perhaps a fake one-itis 'routine' (Basically telling you're telling you can't have her)?

Or more like "I'm planning on dropping out of school now. Yeah, really. Then I'm going to find a rich chick to support me while I'm becoming a professional couch millionaere. Btw, how's your economy?" (Telling her you're a bad catch)

 

[Pap]

Imbrondir, thanks for props, my man. Usually when I talk about disqualifying myself, I mean I'm talking about false disqualifiers, such as "Oh, you like X Y or Z...darn, then I guess we can't hangout anymore...nah...just kidding...I think we can hang out cuz you are kinda spunky." It's done in a playful way.

Another example of a false disqualifier often used by Mystery, who in my opinion, is the best pickup artist in the world, is "You know what...I don't think we are going to get along....I mean, I wouldn't take your sh** and you wouldn't take mine...we met at an impasse...what fun is then [said with a smile]...who knows?"

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

BUMP

I found this post supplied by Pap about a year ago about what not to do during a pickup or any encounter with a woman. I agree with the majority of the information but I'm not crazy about the presentation.

So many posts to this forum states what not to do but in my studies of Psychology I've realized that isn't the best way to train our minds. Our minds only work in a yes type, positive manner. It can not NOT do anything, it can only DO.

For example, do NOT think about a pink elephant. What did you do? Yeah, thought so. So imagine what your mind will do when talking to a woman after studying these posts.

So read the thread and comment; I may take your feedback and revamp the post to be more on the WHAT TO DO path instead of the opposite.

$FD

 

[So Many Ways]

One of the things I'm starting to realize lately is that talking to women is made to be much more complicated than it needs to be. For someone who is absolutely green, things need to be made as simple as possible. All a list like this will accomplish will make someone think too much when out in the field instead of behaving in a natural way.

That was a problem I had and it does affect your game. On the other hand, when you turn your mind off and let your instincts take over, things become much easier and interacting with women will become the natural process that it is meant to be, not some sort of calculus equation. After all, men and women have been interacting with each other and the species has continued to propogate for thousands of years before the advent of seduction web sites and people selling systems. We all know how to do this, just relax and let it come to you.

For guys who have problems just walking up to a woman and starting a conversation, why clutter their brain with more stuff that's only going to make it more difficult?

Lists like this make things too damn complicated and do more damage than good, imo.

 

[setarcos]

bump. This is SUPER important. You need to have the body language down or else you look like a moron who is forcing himself to try too hard.

Guys, TylerDurden, Papa and the rest of the gurus, they are the REAL DEAL. I garentee no one on this forum gets laid by so many different beautiful women like these guys and other Master Pick Up Artists.

 

[flyinshark]

Good stuff:yes:

On a side note, is this a good example of a neg hit? (was posted by Starman)

"Wow! You Smell GREAT!"

Her: Well thanks!

You: "Is that Burger King?"