Covid mutating into a vaccine resistant form

[EyeBRollin]

Just to be clear:
I wasn't speaking so much about Covid as using it as the "opportunity" to bring about a more global government, and continuing to move the economy in a more socialist direction. I'm pretty certain these things are going to happen whether people want them to or not.

Does it ever occur to capitalists that a rampaging pandemic, social unrest, global economic depression, and climate / environmental destruction are the result of capitalism itself?

 

[Poonani Maker]

Does it ever occur to capitalists that a rampaging pandemic, social unrest, global economic depression, and climate / environmental destruction are the result of capitalism itself?

I say it comes down to Religion and heresy which cares not about Truth (anymore) but about graft or swindling of the masses, the more swindled the more money you make off with in this lifetime (short time on Earth). Now if you believe in Truth and honorableness for eternity, then you'll care not what happens on this short time on Earth, only what's right, logically.

 

[zekko]

Does it ever occur to capitalists that a rampaging pandemic, social unrest, global economic depression, and climate / environmental destruction are the result of capitalism itself?

Well, that's certainly what Marxists think. But most economies are a mix of capitalism and socialism. It's just a question of where on the scale you want to be.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Well, that's certainly what Marxists think. But most economies are a mix of capitalism and socialism. It's just a question of where on the scale you want to be.

It begs the question. The developed world is in shambles. The market has failed... again. Could that be why governments are re-evaluating their spending priorities?

 

[Desdinova]

It’s not a pandemic. Let’s call it what it is. It is a novel cold virus that your body will get used to eventually.

I'm pretty much on the same page with that. Everyone's hoping for a vaccine. I'm pretty sure that we're just going to have to let this thing run it's course and then it's impact will start going down. The problem is that it's taking over our hospitals. We're getting slammed with it here and our government has implemented a (not really) lockdown.

Here's my biggest concern... I'm classified as an "essential worker" and I do a lot of highway driving for my job. If I happen to get into a major car accident, I'm likely going to be a dead man because the ICUs are filled with COVID patients.

 

[DelayedGratification]

Im an actual health care administrator and I know for a fact its not taking over any hospital in a state wide radius (pennsylvania). It's ALL MADE UP.

Are you guys an actual executive in a hospital? Or is it just something you read from CNN?
Give me some facts. I have caught covid twice.

Pennsylvania COVID-19 Numbers

Current number of positive results, age breakdowns, hospitalizations, and more.

www.health.pa.gov

The PA Health Dept is showing ICU capacity at 33% as of 11/15/20. You're two doubling's away from running out of ICU beds. Since you're an Actual Health Care Administrator(tm) I'll assume you know how exponential growth works. Currently the trends are not good, as according to the page above, the daily positive cases have doubled twice in the past month (approx 1500 to 6000/day).

First time it was fever and chills. Second time it was runny nose. That's how viruses work. You develop antibodies to it.

I was also a medic in the navy.

I assume as an administrator and former medic, you understand that a vaccine causes your body to develop antibodies without the risks associated with actually becoming ill with the disease, right?

All scientists are discovering what I already knew when I was in the military as a medic having to deal with life threatening viruses.

Feel free to post the YouTube link where you had a panel discussion with the Epidemiology team at say, Johns Hopkins, and demonstrated how much more leveraged your Navy Medic experience was in their field of expertise.

This has been proven time and time again. Look it up. The symptoms are cluster based. They are not mutating!!!!

There is no mutation. All symptoms are happening in clusters. When a virus latches onto someone who has a weak immune system, the most prevalent symptom is fever and chills.

This is almost getting to the level of Climate Denial. It has been well established that a virus will mutate as it spreads through a population. It's been the basis of tracking the path of the worldwide spread, complete with graphs of the five(?) major mutations and the countless minor ones. It's the reason millions of minks are set to be destroyed.

And the medical community is fraudulent. They keep themselves alive by holding back cures.

The most comical part of all of this is that you all think that this is unique to covid.

The medical community has screwed over humanity for decades.

Since time memorial.

Ok, we've now jumped the shark. You're a Health Care Administrator who believes the entire medical community is fraudulent. If that's actually the case, then get the fvck out of healthcare and get a job that lets you sleep better at night.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Im an actual health care administrator and I know for a fact its not taking over any hospital in a state wide radius (pennsylvania). It's ALL MADE UP.

Are you guys an actual executive in a hospital? Or is it just something you read from CNN?
Give me some facts. I have caught covid twice.

First time it was fever and chills. Second time it was runny nose. That's how viruses work. You develop antibodies to it.

I was also a medic in the navy.

Who here has actual experience with the coronavirus, and not just heresy?

I had to deal with sars cov-1 where....yes hydroxychloroquine was the treatment.

A virus does not want to kill you. It wants to create a symbiotic relationship with you.

All scientists are discovering what I already knew when I was in the military as a medic having to deal with life threatening viruses.

The virus first latches on to the first host and then replicates itself with THAT host's dna. And whatever symptoms come out of it is a combination of the virus PLUS that person's immune system response.

So the symptoms are in CLUSTERS. What this means is if the first host had a strong immune system and the only thing the virus can do is induce sleepiness, then everyone in that cluster who is infected would only experience fatigue.

This has been proven time and time again. Look it up. The symptoms are cluster based. They are not mutating!!!!

There is no mutation. All symptoms are happening in clusters. When a virus latches onto someone who has a weak immune system, the most prevalent symptom is fever and chills.

But when the virus runs into someone with strong immune system, the WHOLE ENTIRE CLUSTER of patients have mild symptoms.

Symptoms happens in clusters. But the main stream media will never tell you this.

I had covid twice. And I am an actual health care administrator. I know the facts of it.

The only thing that matters is your immune system.

Since the beginning of health care. This is not a conspiracy exclusive to covid.

Since the beginning of time, there has never been a better cure than your immune system.

And the medical community is fraudulent. They keep themselves alive by holding back cures.

The most comical part of all of this is that you all think that this is unique to covid.

The medical community has screwed over humanity for decades.

Since time memorial.

It’s quite the conspiracy to say the entire world is making this up.

 

[samspade]

Well, that's certainly what Marxists think. But most economies are a mix of capitalism and socialism. It's just a question of where on the scale you want to be.

If people didn't cling to -isms like religions we could have a healthy mix of systems without getting our panties in a bundle over the next Stalin or Hitler coming along.

I usually lean on the side of freedom over regulation, but I can say that since moving to a nation with more regulated healthcare (than the US), I feel more free. So I'm willing to keep an open mind depending on the issue. But to a lot of people who watch cable news and listen to politicians, we're just a free flu shot away from the gulag.

 

[Alvafe]

Yes this is exactly why i don't believe in vaccines

vacinnes are not a faith issue, it will work regardless if you belive or not, but covid vaccines are not ready, plus I heard one guy already died after getting its shot, because the damn thing is not ready, but they are doing everything possible to not mention it.

there is like the flu shots they are not 100%, so you need to take each year because its get a new strain, but take note, it only work on old virus the new one it will not protect

 

[Alvafe]

Does it ever occur to capitalists that a rampaging pandemic, social unrest, global economic depression, and climate / environmental destruction are the result of capitalism itself?

virus originated on china, who disregard human rights and its not really know as being clean, plus if its alive the chinese will eat, from grains to scorpions and roachs.

the last 100 years at least(before taht too but keep it more simple) all disease who did go global was originated from china, spanish flu, regardless his name started on china. china as everyone know is a socialistic mess, who started to use slave labor to go global and get money from others to sustain they country, with there is previsions they will ruins in a couple of years if things keep like this.

so tell me, why a virus originated from a socialistic country, have anything do to with the rest of world who have free market and free speach, with wating or not is where the captalism system is used?

at most its the liberals who was against closing borders with china to prevent the virus spread, trump wanted that, but the liberals was against it.

but then again I doubt you can answer it honestly

 

[EyeBRollin]

virus originated on china, who disregard human rights and its not really know as being clean, plus if its alive the chinese will eat, from grains to scorpions and roachs.

the last 100 years at least(before taht too but keep it more simple) all disease who did go global was originated from china, spanish flu, regardless his name started on china. china as everyone know is a socialistic mess, who started to use slave labor to go global and get money from others to sustain they country, with there is previsions they will ruins in a couple of years if things keep like this.

so tell me, why a virus originated from a socialistic country, have anything do to with the rest of world who have free market and free speach, with wating or not is where the captalism system is used?

at most its the liberals who was against closing borders with china to prevent the virus spread, trump wanted that, but the liberals was against it.

but then again I doubt you can answer it honestly

Take your tainted partisan lenses off. The virus doesn’t care who you voted for.

 

[Lookatu]

Soooooo.....essential workers have even more guarantee they won't lose their job?
Just trying to interpret this as to how it applies to me, selfishly speaking.

Well be glad you canucks have free healthcare(one less thing to worry about when losing a job) and also the better stimulus package of $2k CAD per month over 4 month time frame rather than a $1200USD one time payout.

 

[Lookatu]

Aren't you a Christian? Gave some faith brother

I would think theoretically, true christians all believe in life after death and wouldn't be afraid of dying. Yet I find that majority of religious people to not be like that. So is that implying that they are of weak faith or doubt? I mean if you truly believe in afterlife and that you will go to heaven which is a better place to live, wouldn't one accept death and not fear it? Also wouldn't they place their lives in God's hand on whether he decides if it's your time or not? This Covid has really brought out that aspect in a lot of "christians" IMO.

 

[Lookatu]

Im an actual health care administrator and I know for a fact its not taking over any hospital in a state wide radius (pennsylvania). It's ALL MADE UP.

I agree for the most part but I have 4 close friends that work at 4 different hospitals. On the avg, Covid bed hospitalizations in those hospitals have avg'd around 9-10 beds in the last few months. In the last 1-2 weeks, they have all gone up to 70-90 beds taken up.

HOWEVER, I see a big flaw in this just like everything else around this Covid deal. I live in the midwest and with the colder weather, people are congregating more indoors plus the colder temps are going to bring on the usual Cold/Flu symptoms. With people living in fear, they might all have knee jerk reactions to getting sick from the Cold/Flu and want to get a Covid test. Just theoretically, what if they were asymptomatic to Covid this whole time and then caught the Cold/Flu? They then get tested and decide to go to the hospital out of fear of dying. Doctors confirm they are positive and exhibit "some" symptoms and check them in to be on the safe side as they would rather be cautious and not take any chances. Do you see where this is going? Overload of supposed "Covid" patients and the media has fun with this, creating more fear.

Also all the temporary morgue trailers, warehouses, etc. How come they never show actual bodies in those places?

I have personally known my friend's mother to have Covid at 78 years old and it only affected her like a cold and she got over it in a week. My other friend's father is 81yo and he's got it. He's going through the usual exhaustion, fever, etc symptoms right now. Holding steady so far and it hasn't gotten worse and he's just resting at home. My other friend's 78yo neighbor has it and he is just having cold symptoms but has lost his sense of smell/taste but otherwise doing ok.

TL;DR - Positive cases of Covid doesn't equal automatic death sentenece

 

[Lookatu]

As far as I can tell, there is a provincial tax I'm paying through the federal income tax taken off my paycheques.

Yes, I do see the con's of it too but I guess it depends on what situation one is in.

 

[Alvafe]

Take your tainted partisan lenses off. The virus doesn’t care who you voted for.

sure that killer virus who the oldies in the goverment get and didn't die

so how is a coward life going?

gonna answer the question on there, or is too hard to come up with something?

 

[zekko]

If people didn't cling to -isms like religions we could have a healthy mix of systems without getting our panties in a bundle over the next Stalin or Hitler coming along.

The "isms" definitely get tossed around waaaay too freely.

 

[DelayedGratification]

Hey i just heard Michigan state wide 3 week lockdown again???
Figures its a nanny state.

Yup, nanny state. Why they probably even have drunk driving laws, seatbelt laws, health inspections for restaurants, you name it. Just awful I tell you.

But surely people can be trusted to do the right thing, and poof, like magic, the cases won't be on an exponential rise! Oh, wait...

Any state that had to resort to lockdowns is purely a result of (a) the populace not taking simple public health measures seriously, (b) the state not containing outbreaks with tracing when the caseload was low enough for that to be feasible, and (c) the state not conducting surveillance testing of asymptomatic people to get early warning indicators of outbreaks and to stop them from happening.

But a segment of the population seems to think that a mask is the end of the world whereas refraining from drunk driving is A-OK. And the latter two points put a government in the category of nanny state. And so, here we are.

 

[Lookatu]

Yup, nanny state.

I think a female democrat running the state says it all.

Same thing for Lory Lightfoot, mayor of Chicago...

 

[Vasiliev]

Does it matter? It's only affecting annoying old people and McDonald's addicts anyway..
.. unless you're one of the boot-lickers who believe that everyone who died in car accidents lately actually just had the Rona.