Convos about feminism and challenging a womans views

[dk1990S111]

Last night this HB9.5 Ive known since elementary school posted up this link on FB. https://medium.com/@dinachka82/about-your-poem-1f26a7585a6f#.iy0daavvv

Normally I don't bother with this kinda crap but I read through it up until I came to this line saying "What brand of bag you have matters more than your college degree" lol had to post a reply to her after reading that. Basically just brought up how men couldn't care less what kind of bag a woman has, or if its real or fake. Women are the ones that will judge and hate on another woman on what she is wearing.

Had a few replies back and forth in the comments until she sent me a PM thanking me for the discussion and for sharing my views. "Super interesting convo with you, it's good to hear the opposing views and some of them I can agree with you on. I totally hear your point of view, some people take it to the extreme such as the bag quote you mentioned. I'm honestly mostly concerned and most familiar with sexism in the corporate world though (especially male dominated sectors). I sold my business and I'm in commercial real estate now trying to change it from the inside out haha! Thanks for sharing and being so civil and respectful. Hope all is well with you!"

Just reinforced what I have learned here about challenging what a woman says and creating some kind of emotions towards you (good or bad) is always a good thing.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I don't follow. Are you trying to smash?

 

[dk1990S111]

Oh and the best part was when her beta white knight friend chimed in

I don't follow. Are you trying to smash?

Lol I mean if she didn't have a bf I would be all over that. The point was just about the whole "cause her to feel something towards you" that we hear about on here. I posted the comment fully expecting to get some feminist crap being angrily posted back at me, but instead got the opposite reaction of her thanking me for sharing my views.

 

[wifehunter]

Childishness.

 

[dk1990S111]

Childishness.

How so? lol she even said it was civil and respectful

 

[wifehunter]

How so? lol she even said it was civil and respectful

The purse/bag thing.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I'm always preaching here that it is always a positive thing to challenge women who THINK they are feminists.

The real feminists are the raging lunatics you see on TV. In real life, mostly you meet women who feel they are under herd pressure to conform to feminism while deep down inside they don't really believe in it. Deep down inside is where reality sleeps until you rouse it with Assumed Authority and rational conversation.

Stir up her "feminist" mud and you will get her tingling and ultimately working to impress you by indicating agreement with you.

For your day to day woman, feminism is like a pimple. She is pressured by the herd to keep it inside, and she feels the pressure of it as it fights against her nature (her hard wiring). She needs a man to pop that zit and relieve the pain of holding it in.

You provide the "safe" environment in which she can look at reality apart from the pressure of the herd.

I love challenging women who think they are feminists. The trick is to do it dispassionately and rationally with absolute Assumed Authority, as if your views are as obvious as the sky being blue and water being wet.

 

[wifehunter]

I'm always preaching here that it is always a positive thing to challenge women who THINK they are feminists.

The real feminists are the raging lunatics you see on TV. In real life, mostly you meet women who feel they are under herd pressure to conform to feminism while deep down inside they don't really believe in it. Deep down inside is where reality sleeps until you rouse it with Assumed Authority and rational conversation.

Stir up her "feminist" mud and you will get her tingling and ultimately working to impress you by indicating agreement with you.

For your day to day woman, feminism is like a pimple. She is pressured by the herd to keep it inside, and she feels the pressure of it as it fights against her nature (her hard wiring). She needs a man to pop that zit and relieve the pain of holding it in.

You provide the "safe" environment in which she can look at reality apart from the pressure of the herd.

I love challenging women who think they are feminists. The trick is to do it dispassionately and rationally with absolute Assumed Authority, as if your views are as obvious as the sky being blue and water being wet.

Thanks, I have this ongoing convo in my head, that these girls are ruined. Confusion and frustration are much better, and workable.

What I've gathered:

Set them straight, by establishing frame early. They may even fall in love, because they are now free of the BS.

 

[Atom Smasher]

You are getting it.

 

[dk1990S111]

I'm always preaching here that it is always a positive thing to challenge women who THINK they are feminists.

Thanks, your post is what I was trying to get at with this thread. I was talking with another girl about why she calls herself a feminist and she actually started making fun of these womans marchers with me. She said all she cares about is how this society objectifies women. So it seems like women might agree with one point these feminists are talking about but they dont agree with all the crazy sh1t being spewed

 

[CuddleJunkie]

The key is to have a strong frame where you won't move from your ideals whilst remaining unattached to the discussion. Why would you care? You have your own thing going.
I have these discussions again and again. "How can you support Trump?" (btw, is crazy how much people in Europe care about Trump), "wow, you really never cook for a girl?", blah blah blah. Again and again, if the girl had some interest, she stopped the discussion or she would adopt my frame. I have a thing for hippy girls, which tend to be liberal, THEY DON'T CARE.

I had a girl who was in a NGO for welcoming immigrants and that kind of stuff, never, NEVER, in my whole life have I made so many fascist jokes, she loved it.

So to recapitulate: 1) strong frame 2)unattachment

 

[RangerMIke]

Never argue or debate women, period. If you need intellectual stimulation, then see your guy friends. When I'm with a women that goes on some liberal feminist rant I just smile listen and run my game. I'm not saying you should ever agree with them, but don't argue... it is a waste of fvcking time. If you were trying to fvck this chick you fvcked up. You are building negative rapport which dries her up like a desert.

 

[dk1990S111]

Never argue or debate women, period. If you need intellectual stimulation, then see your guy friends. When I'm with a women that goes on some liberal feminist rant I just smile listen and run my game. I'm not saying you should ever agree with them, but don't argue... it is a waste of fvcking time. If you were trying to fvck this chick you fvcked up. You are building negative rapport which dries her up like a desert.

I see what you are saying, but I had not said anything to this chick for 10+ years. I was just another dude on her FB. Challenging her post got her to actually PM me, so its not always a bad thing but ya if I was talking to her prior to this then I wouldnt have bothered posting at all

 

[Atom Smasher]

You are correct that arguing is always a waste of time with women, without fail.

That's where Assumed Authority comes in. You indicate that her opinion means nothing to you, and is in fact silly to you, and you have the facts. If she fishes for an argument, you stay detached and act like she's your little sister saying something silly. Usually I simply chuckle, but it's pretty rare that a "feminist" type of women will engage me. They sense that my frame is so strong that they will crumble and be exposed if they try to breach it. They just have an inner "knowing" that it is wise of them to avoid exposure of their silliness by confronting my stated views.