"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Complete Guide to Starting Pickup

Dimitri

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[Repost. Originally posted and copywritten 7/29/04.]

I'm going to break down the fundamentals of starting the art of pickup. These skills are critical and fundamental, regardless of what style or camp you subscribe to.

That said, these aren't rules. Everything I write is flexible and variable, as it should be.

Now, my first three "non-rules" are:

1) Like yourself.
2) Be confident.
3) Have fun.

Those are my first three. The criticals. The essentials. What you need to be doing for *anything* else to work.

With those three, and just those three, you can do anything. However, while those first three are critical for just about all parts of a good life, the next two are also very useful.

4) Stay open-minded.
5) Learn.

That's it. If you can manage those five things, you'll be on your way. If, after a solid base in those five things, you go out and start actively socializing, you'll be able to achieve a master's proficiency in this art.

Now, let me break them down a little, and throw in a some advanced discussion. If any of this starts to confuse you in some way, because you're new to this, or you feel you're reading too much, or whatever- stop. Take a break, skip a paragraph, whatever. This is a reference, not a novel.


1) Like yourself: The root cause of everything good that can ever happen.

You need to like yourself as a person. You need to accept every part of yourself, even the parts you don't like (which doesn't mean don't try to change for the better).

For all you analytical folk: There is not a single advantage to disliking yourself. Consider that.

For all you emotional folk: Your whole life will be better and you will feel stronger and more alive if you like yourself.


What do I mean by "like yourself"? It's so simple, but so difficult. Here's some random points I'm just going to throw out. It's not all-encompassing, but it's an idea.

Alright, I'm an American. Here in the U.S., we're given a double standard from birth. Basics of self-esteem are taught throughout school and by parents, but at the same time, people are often put down. Parents, teachers, and authorities often turn a blind eye to bullying, reasoning it off as "kid stuff". The media constantly draws and redraws a fake "norm" that people should strive to achieve, and are ostracized if they deviate from it. In countries based around consumption, the idea of non-satiation rules supreme, and people are told to be never satisfied. You'll be happier with a faster car, a better razor, the most fashionable suit, the new soda that's got a great taste while being very low in carbs...

People are told they can't be happy without stuff. They're constantly taught to seek validation, and insecurities are played upon on a daily basis. There's a happy feel-good message of "Everyone is a special and unique snowflake" that's said in elementary school, which is promptly mocked and satirized.

In short, people are given a billion reasons not to like themself, and told not to decide for themselves. At the same time, most people THINK they like themself when asked, and often can't realize that they, in fact, don't.

I used to say **** like, "Damn, I ****ed up again. I hate myself." in my head. I didn't even realize I was doing it for so long, but when I caught on, it became sickening. I'd say it *so* much without even recognizing it. I really did believe it.

My breakthrough came when I realized there were many, many good things about myself. I genuinely came to like myself.

Now, how to do that? I can't say, exactly. But now you're aware of some of what's going on. There is no reason not to like yourself... you're the only you you've got. Strive for improvement, but like and accept yourself. It precedes and precludes almost all good things in life, including good relationships with other people and good sex with beautiful women. It's critical.


2) Be confident: The world is yours for the taking.

Confidence. Arguably the single most important interpersonal skill. If you act confidently, everything from business to family to relationships to (yes) pickup will go more smoothly.

What is confidence for me? It's knowing that I have lots of ability and infinite potential. I know I've got skills that I've honed to a precise degree and I can use them decisively. But more importantly, I know that anything I don't know or can't do... I could. With practice, with teaching.

I think people trying to explain confidence is where a lot of the rhetoric here came from. Most of it's right, but it's convoluted. I can't tell you exactly what confidence will be to you, but you'll know it.

For me, it's about fighting my fears when they come up, and defeating them. It's about using my abilities as well as I can, but after I'm trying my best, I move decisively. I know I'll do the best job possible, so why doubt myself?

I act quickly, decisively after I've picked the best course. This is because I know I have ability and infinite potential. There is no failure: There is only success and learning.


3) Have fun: If you're not having fun doing something...

This is key to true success in anything. To truly be good at picking up women, you've got to have fun doing the whole process. If you want to do work in nightclubs, you've got to have fun going out to nightclubs. If you want to do bars, you've got to enjoy bars.

You've got to have fun socializing. From approach to close, you've got enjoy what you're doing and spending time with women and people. If you go out with a wingman, you've got to like him and like spending time with him.

It doesn't matter how or what's fun about what you're doing. It could be that you like the music of where you're at, or you like self-improvement, or that you like going out with your friends that came with you, or you like karaoke at the place you're at... it doesn't matter.

Just have fun. Your results will be infinitely better if you're having fun, and no matter what happens, you'll have had some fun.


***So, those are my "primary three". I think that those three skills are pretty much necessary for a truly happy life. Anyone can improve in those three areas, and improvement in any of those three areas will translate to improvements *EVERYWHERE* else in your life.

So remember: Like yourself, be confident, and have fun.


4) Stay open-minded: Consider and reconsider *everything*.

This is as much a life skill as a pickup skill.

Open-mindedness is considering and reconsidering anything and everything. Aside from the fact that your time is valuable, you should always be willing to consider a new point of view or rethink an old one. Even fundamental beliefs of yours may change from time to time, and even if you can't accept some things at this time, don't be afraid to rethink them later.

Part of open-mindedness, for me, is tolerance. I'm not going to go on a feel-good, politically correct trip right now, because I've got some unresolved views on tolerance myself. On the whole, though, I like to live and a promote a live-and-let-live philosophy. Be kind whenever possible, to anyone, regardless of who they are and what they do. Note that I said "whenever possible", which doesn't mean get walked on. Also, kindness is not subservience or supplication, and don't get them confused. Be willing to rethink what kindness really is from time to time: It's possible that some things the media raises you to think are good and kind acts, like buying a woman dinner, is actually unrelated to true kindness and tolerance.


5) Learn: Learn about anything and everything. Why not?

When I say learn, there's two things I'm driving at.

I like learning about anything and everything, and I think it's invaluable to me. I know about all sorts of little interesting things, and my life is better for it. I can relate to many, many different people on different levels, and can talk to them about it. I can think in different ways about different things, and come up with interesting conclusions.

So, learn things in general, because it's useful to you, and will benefit you in pickup (and other aspects of your life, again).

Secondly, learn as you do. Strive to be better and improve. When you do not achieve what you set out to achieve, learn from it. You can repair mistakes you've been making with practice and guidance. Try to think of creative solutions, and ask for help when appropriate.

Seek out sources that can aid you. For pickup, that's our community. Most of the guys in the community, in my experience, are great guys. Find someone in your area and sit down for coffee with them, or do a little pickup. Hang out, eat pizza, shoot pool. Learn from each other.

Correct mistakes and improve.




***Those are my five first things. At any time, if you go back and pick one of those and work actively on improving it, you will improve your life and, consequently, your ability to pick up members of the opposite sex. If you feel boxed in or overloaded with too much material, you can work on one of these five. These alone can improve your life, and base proficiency are required in all five of these skills to truly succeed in this endeavor... and to be happy in all of your life.

Anyone can grasp these concepts. Anyone can apply them successfully. Work on them and your life will improve, as will results in skill-based endeavors.

Best of luck to all of you, my comrades and brethren. Be well.


Grandmaster Dimitri, Swash-Buckling Pick-Up Artist
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Don Ronny

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Welcome to the forum, Dimitri! Been a fan of yours ever since you picked up that girl using a banana! (That was you right?)

Needless to say. its nice to have some more guys here who arent just talkin out they asses.

For future reference, if you want people to actually read your posts, slap em in the "Tips" section so they dont get buried in an avalanche of "Girls scare me...help!!!" threads.
 

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Why do the best threads of this forum have so few responses?

Very good advice Dimitri, thanks for your effort. I´m still looking for what makes me get that confidence you speak about.
 

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Great thread.

Your right that they first three are absolutely critical. And unfortunately I'm not fallowing any of them. Don't like myself, not confident and not having fun.

Is it possible to further explain how to do them?

The most important is to like yourself. How does one start doing that? I used to have a very negative self-image but now I'm more neutral. I don't have myself anymore, but I don't like me either.

I guess the other very important thing is confidence. But that's not possible without liking yourself.
 

jakethasnake

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This is a very, very nice post. Congratulations. :)
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Dimitri.........Welcome :D

It's people like you that bring all of us aspiring DJ's to this forum, I'm glad you're here and I look forward to reading more of what you have to say.
 

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I'm glad this got dug up somehow since I wasn't around for its initial posting. This is probably one of the top three posts I have ever read on here.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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You have a very natural style to you PU game, reminiscint of Juggler. The focus seems to be on the basics, and we all know fundamentals are key. You have to build from a foundation that allows you grow and keep building (learning). That said, pretty good stuff. Wouldn't mind seeing Woodhaven's "Transition" post also crossposted here for some others to see.


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Ever onward

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You have a very natural style to you PU game, reminiscint of Juggler. The focus seems to be on the basics, and we all know fundamentals are key. You have to build from a foundation that allows you grow and keep building (learning). That said, pretty good stuff. Wouldn't mind seeing Woodhaven's "Transition" post also crossposted here for some others to see.
Woodhaven's "Transistion" post has been reposted here by someone called sheepster I believe. It's in the main discussion forum and it should also be moved to tips.

I have yet to read it due to the size but I will be sure to. I'm considering doing a bootcamp with Vincent or Dimitri someday so I'm really interested in their styles of pickup.
 

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All beginners should read this guide. If you have these basics down, you can get laid, have a good social life, and be an attractive guy without any techniques whatsoever. These are very simple beliefs, and they make of the core of what makes a guy attractive. But, for a guy who doesn't have these beliefs, it takes a lot of work, both internally and externally to develop them.

-Dan
 

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bump...this is another one of my favorites ;)
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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