“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Come out the friendzone likeaboss - lay rapport

TheGambino

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UPDATE Field Rapport with this broad. (I need to keep my frame, read this!) (btw read my last thread if you wanna know the back info)

So I went over, she was taking a shower when I arrived.

She remembers me as an big AFC, chubby kid that got along very well with her friends in a NON DJ'ish way so I changed in a positive way in her eyes. I was a BIG afc with her best friend, so they know me as a fun guy that doesn't make moves but she doesnt know me too well. Her friends told her stories about me obviousley. They like me but see me as a AFC like 10 years ago, now they didn't see me for years so this is fun.

We had long chats about vacation and I started to set the tone with coming on subjects like ''morning s3x'' and staying in bed after s3x and stuff, she loved the talk and I could see in her eyes that she was surprised. I was an AFC with her best friend like I told you guys. We had a convo in the backyard where I told her that I lived together with a chick and she acted like this.

Her: You!? with a gf for 9 monhts, wow!

I was applying, faking warmth, commenting that it's easy to hook up with beautiful girls but that quality character is hard to find. Looking long in her eyes and smiling a lot, being very positive about everything, listening a lot to her, talking about fun and light stuff and go on and on. Everything a real DJ does.

I had some alcoholic drinks, she didn't, she wanted to stay sober.

After a while I did the fitcheck I was coming for and we talked about that for a while.

Then 3 hours!? I was feeling that I lacked attraction building, she was on the other side of the couch so I couldn't kino and it was getting late, she was clearly less intoo it because there wasn't a hard sexual, attracting vibe, we were just having fun talking. She was doing 80% of the talking ofcourse and I told some stuff about myself. But her friends know me very, very well and she knows me too because we were in the same class in mid school.

Anyway she told me ''you changed so much'' ''you look good'' ''you changed in character too''. I was replying vague to that.

I told her to show me vacation pictures on her laptop so that I could sit next to her. Went to sit next to her, ofcourse those pictures were fun but my real goal was making out. So I started to touch her a little bit and even holded her hand commenting that they were small (neg hitting).

Then I said to myself (Ok Gambino, tell her you saw enough of her vacation pictures and make a move)
I was telling myself that the whole time until she shuts down her laptop talks some more and I go in for the kiss after looking in her eyes for a bit. She acts surprised and gives me the cheek.

(keep your frame guys, it doesn't mean sh1t)

So she tells me. Wow that's awkward, I can't do that, she was clearly attracted but couldn't forget how I was years ago. I have a new good vibe now that I didn't have years ago how she remembers me and she keeps saying we can't kiss. I tell her that she misses out, that Im a great kisser and that I see a lot in her and want to find out how she is in bed, how she kisses and I keep sniffing her neck and trying to get her wet.

After 10 mins or longer she kinda wants to kiss but no s3x. I go for the kiss again, again the cheek, third time she kisses back and yes were set.

We kiss hard, soft, and ofcourse I make her wet and she is all over me. We make out for hours, she sits on top of me and I go in her for a couple of seconds but she witholds s3x. We go to her bed and she witholds s3x.

I go down on her, I finger her until she comes and she's all shaky and loves it but she refuses to blow me or f8ck me.

I know this from her friend. She got hurt in the past, guys pump and dump.

I told her. I think you got hurt and she starts to cry (only tears). (girls are masters in this, don't fall for the trap -.-)

I kiss give her my shoulder where she lays her head on and kino her.
We kiss for a long time in bed and I try to have s3x, making her wet, comforting her that it stays between us and go on and on.

End result.

She is shocked that she actually had a sexual experience with me, she loved it but she is afraid to get hurt again. I dont know what is going to happen in the future.

I won't make the same mistake as with my last broad, I won't fall for the trap and keep my frame. No texting, no calling, I let her initiate.

Any tips tell me and guys it is possible to get out the friendzone, Im the proof!
 

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I always believe you can get out of the friend zone. It just cant be your sole purpose, but if it happens it happens.
 

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I'm currently trying to get out of the friendzone of my ex, where she put me in end June.

Actually she never dropped me, or couldn't get over it our ways will split.
I always said no for the friend zone ... but in the meantime I become more what I wanted to give her during the relationship but I didn't.
More communicative, more closer willing to express my feelings more clearly, ...
We talked and chatted a lot ...

2 weeks ago she made me angry by her communication where she's laying always the responsibility on my side.
This woke her up, 2 days later, we got a loong phone call ... 1,5 month later, she was still crying on dropping the relationship.

A day later, after our long phone call, she texted "I realise only now how the relationship was for you, I didnt know". She got doubting feelings for me as she missed my obvious expression of my love to her. But she never asked for what she would like having more ... I couldnt know to please her better.

Another day later, she texted "thank your for everything, especially for your patience."

I replied her later and asked what she exactly wanted to say with these 2 last "I realise" and "Patience" sentences.
As she is now remote and difficult to reach, she answered it's to difficult to talk about over text and want to have a meet soon to talk about this.

... i suppose thus about us and the relationship ...

I'm very curious to listen to her now ..
 

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I'm currently trying to get out of the friendzone of my ex, where she put me in end June.

Actually she never dropped me, or couldn't get over it our ways will split.
I always said no for the friend zone ... but in the meantime I become more what I wanted to give her during the relationship but I didn't.
More communicative, more closer willing to express my feelings more clearly, ...
We talked and chatted a lot ...

2 weeks ago she made me angry by her communication where she's laying always the responsibility on my side.
This woke her up, 2 days later, we got a loong phone call ... 1,5 month later, she was still crying on dropping the relationship.

A day later, after our long phone call, she texted "I realise only now how the relationship was for you, I didnt know". She got doubting feelings for me as she missed my obvious expression of my love to her. But she never asked for what she would like having more ... I couldnt know to please her better.

Another day later, she texted "thank your for everything, especially for your patience."

I replied her later and asked what she exactly wanted to say with these 2 last "I realise" and "Patience" sentences.
As she is now remote and difficult to reach, she answered it's to difficult to talk about over text and want to have a meet soon to talk about this.

... i suppose thus about us and the relationship ...

I'm very curious to listen to her now ..
Dude Im trying to help you now, understand that.

You made a lot of mistakes. Your job is too have fun with her. You don't talk about feelings, it's not about communication. It's about letting her speak her mind and let her talk to you about feelings, about getting together, about ''us''. That is not your job. You are the man in the relationship. You have fun, you tease her, you touch her, you give her a shoulder to cry on (but your not trying to ''fix'' her, or be her psychologist, that will get you in that friendzone).

When she lands any responsibility on you, you don't act logic towards her like you would in a discussion on work or so. You just tell she is being sexy when she's mad or putting the blame on you, tell her everything is going to be alright and you change the subject or smack her ass and kiss her. If she disrespects you, you withdraw your attention and ignore her. You tease her, kino, have fun, make her laugh, and f8ck her very good until she cums every time you have are together. When you go about your business the next day you act aloof, don't text or call too much and let her develop feelings towards you and talk about being together, again absolutley not your job. Your masculine, she has to be submissive towards you. You should be vague about how you feel, you rock her world at a date, when your together and don't bring up any feelings, let her wonder about how you feel, always.

Girls just work that way. They want to crave for you, if they know they got you ''locked'' then they gonna fly away like a bird.

Don't talk about your feelings towards any girls. Thats her job!
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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I came out of the friend zone twice, its really not as hard as people on here make it seem
 

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HOW? You make her wet! You touch her, you have fun with her, you tease her, you make her so wet with smooth talking and touching that she can't resist f8cking you because her panties are to wet for that and then you escalate by making a move KISS HER. If she gives you the cheek, you laugh it off and try again 5 minutes later. If she rejects you again, you be polite and bail. YOU NEXT HER. eazypeazy
 

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eazypeazy

Heh,"eazypeazy"...huh? Getting out of the friendzone is "eazypeazy".

Heh....kinda odd. You TWICE told "Silko" not to talk about feelings with a girl...yet...when you hung out with the chick you say you got out of the friendzone with,this was part of your conversation with her.....


I told her. I think you got hurt and she starts to cry (only tears). (girls are masters in this, don't fall for the trap -.-)

I kiss give her my shoulder where she lays her head on and kino her.
You told "Silko" not to talk about feelings (which I agree with).....but when you were with this chick,you started talking about her hurt feelings that she got from guys in her past.......to the point where she started to cry.......then you "gave her your shoulder". So...you were her "shoulder to cry on".

Huh....o_O


You also said this......


She is shocked that she actually had a sexual experience with me, she loved it but she is afraid to get hurt again.
So she was "shocked" that she had an sexual experience with you. That's NOT good. She wasn't shocked that she had sex,just shocked that it was "with YOU".

Me personally.....I DON'T LIKE that.

Another thing.....

You said that she was "afraid to get hurt again". Ok......

Did SHE say that? Did she say that when you tried to have sex with her...or is that just you assuming that was her reason for not "going all the way" with you?


Then when you tried to kiss her,she gave you the cheek. Then she said this......


"Wow that's awkward, I can't do that," she was clearly attracted but couldn't forget how I was years ago.
She felt "awkward" when you tried to kiss her. And this is not the normal "awkward" when a chick turns her head when a guy she doesn't like tries to kiss her.......this was awkward to her cause in her mind,she can't let go of the "old" you...the nice,friendly,NON-sexual you from school....the one she friendzoned. You said she wouldn't have sex or do oral on you...but let you finger her.
That's a start,but.......I don't know.

Are you for SURE you've gotten out of the friendzone with this chick? Cause it seems like she's doing her damndest to keep the "mid-school" version of you alive in her mind...talking bout being "shocked" to do anything sexual with you,and feeling "awkward" at you trying to kiss her. Just seems like everytime you go for something sexual with her,she gets a "shocked" or "awkward" emotion.
 

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Heh,"eazypeazy"...huh? Getting out of the friendzone is "eazypeazy".

Heh....kinda odd. You TWICE told "Silko" not to talk about feelings with a girl...yet...when you hung out with the chick you say you got out of the friendzone with,this was part of your conversation with her.....

I couldn't dodge that she brung this up. Clearly I woke her interest by talking intoo her. Yet she sees me as that blown up chubby dude, but I changed so much. This all is also the START of getting out of the friendzone. And since I f8cked her good and gave her a great time Ill give her space now to think about it and get back to me sexually or not. I can move on anyway if she chooses not to. I got the knowledge to minimize f8ckups.


You told "Silko" not to talk about feelings (which I agree with).....but when you were with this chick,you started talking about her hurt feelings that she got from guys in her past.......to the point where she started to cry.......then you "gave her your shoulder". So...you were her "shoulder to cry on".

Huh....o_O

It is good to give a girl a shoulder. Don't debate, discuss or advise her. Just let her cry or complain or whatever on your shoulder and change the subject into something positive afterwards. I only commented ''you got hurt huh?''. You can ask these questions, you are still there to support eachother by giving a shouler to a girl, they love that. Only thing I did. So that's that.


You also said this......




So she was "shocked" that she had an sexual experience with you. That's NOT good. She wasn't shocked that she had sex,just shocked that it was "with YOU".

Me personally.....I DON'T LIKE that.

You are 100% on point there.. Nothing much that I can change about that. But still we went far, and she loved it. She kept saying that.


Another thing.....

You said that she was "afraid to get hurt again". Ok......

Did SHE say that? Did she say that when you tried to have sex with her...or is that just you assuming that was her reason for not "going all the way" with you?

I assume that, but maybe she told me ''I can't go further because of you (yup..) and ''If I didn't know you we would be banging already probably..'' She said that.


Then when you tried to kiss her,she gave you the cheek. Then she said this......




She felt "awkward" when you tried to kiss her. And this is not the normal "awkward" when a chick turns her head when a guy she doesn't like tries to kiss her.......this was awkward to her cause in her mind,she can't let go of the "old" you...the nice,friendly,NON-sexual you from school....the one she friendzoned. You said she wouldn't have sex or do oral on you...but let you finger her.
That's a start,but.......I don't know.

She didn't ''friendzone'' me. Her best friend did, I was a big AFC with her best friend, and this girl heared stories, but she remembers me from school because I saw her years, I don't remember much though.

Are you for SURE you've gotten out of the friendzone with this chick? Cause it seems like she's doing her damndest to keep the "mid-school" version of you alive in her mind...talking bout being "shocked" to do anything sexual with you,and feeling "awkward" at you trying to kiss her. Just seems like everytime you go for something sexual with her,she gets a "shocked" or "awkward" emotion.

My responses in bold text up.


True your right there again. She cant so easily get the old me out of her head. I wasn't attracting at all in those years to her I bet, but know Im probably am. And yes I made her ***, she loved making out with me, she was all over me with her legs, massaging me etc.

So she texted me right after I left her house, she texted me when she woke up and around dinner time all on facebook messenger.

Her: Thanks for the hickey kisses, they all on me (smiley).
(im a f8cking worse texter)
Me: sweet huh.. (smiley)
Her: Very annoying
Me: haha well did you get any difficult questions?
Her: Not yet but I know my mother's glance and Im seeing dad later tonight...

I texted her on whatsapp for the first time.

Me: We had fun yesterday, thats the most important thing.

Radio silence, she didnt respond for hours now.

Ill give her a call in a day or 2 i guess...

All tips are welcome and learn from it too guys. Thanks for the input Igetit!
 

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Heh,"eazypeazy"...huh? Getting out of the friendzone is "eazypeazy".

Heh....kinda odd. You TWICE told "Silko" not to talk about feelings with a girl...yet...when you hung out with the chick you say you got out of the friendzone with,this was part of your conversation with her.....




You told "Silko" not to talk about feelings (which I agree with).....but when you were with this chick,you started talking about her hurt feelings that she got from guys in her past.......to the point where she started to cry.......then you "gave her your shoulder". So...you were her "shoulder to cry on".

Huh....o_O


You also said this......




So she was "shocked" that she had an sexual experience with you. That's NOT good. She wasn't shocked that she had sex,just shocked that it was "with YOU".

Me personally.....I DON'T LIKE that.

Another thing.....

You said that she was "afraid to get hurt again". Ok......

Did SHE say that? Did she say that when you tried to have sex with her...or is that just you assuming that was her reason for not "going all the way" with you?


Then when you tried to kiss her,she gave you the cheek. Then she said this......




She felt "awkward" when you tried to kiss her. And this is not the normal "awkward" when a chick turns her head when a guy she doesn't like tries to kiss her.......this was awkward to her cause in her mind,she can't let go of the "old" you...the nice,friendly,NON-sexual you from school....the one she friendzoned. You said she wouldn't have sex or do oral on you...but let you finger her.
That's a start,but.......I don't know.
Fingering is a start... What if she will only give you head, and your not allowed to penetrate her vagina with your c0ck or your finger? She will also "let" you eat her, but not too often.

[QUOTE="Igetit!]

Are you for SURE you've gotten out of the friendzone with this chick? Cause it seems like she's doing her damndest to keep the "mid-school" version of you alive in her mind...talking bout being "shocked" to do anything sexual with you,and feeling "awkward" at you trying to kiss her. Just seems like everytime you go for something sexual with her,she gets a "shocked" or "awkward" emotion.[/QUOTE]

He's not all the way out till he's penetrating her and doing what he wants to her. She has guards up to prevent any other viewpoint. It might help her out for her to know he's phvcking a few other babes. Sometimes women need that external validation, she doesn't want to be the only one.
 

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Fingering is a start... What if she will only give you head, and your not allowed to penetrate her vagina with your c0ck or your finger? She will also "let" you eat her, but not too often.
Well...if a woman is giving BJs to someone she once friendzoned,I'd say he pretty much escaped it,lol. Her not letting you inside her vagina with you d1ck or fingers seems more like a trust issue she may have,like a comfort issue. Either that,or she's one of those girls who want to "keep her virginity",but will do everything else.

But yeah....in that case,I'd say you escaped it.


Igetit! said:
Are you for SURE you've gotten out of the friendzone with this chick? Cause it seems like she's doing her damndest to keep the "mid-school" version of you alive in her mind...talking bout being "shocked" to do anything sexual with you,and feeling "awkward" at you trying to kiss her. Just seems like everytime you go for something sexual with her,she gets a "shocked" or "awkward" emotion.
He's not all the way out till he's penetrating her and doing what he wants to her. She has guards up to prevent any other viewpoint. It might help her out for her to know he's phvcking a few other babes. Sometimes women need that external validation, she doesn't want to be the only one.
I agree.


There's one thing "Gambino" mentioned that she said that......uuuurrrgh......that REALLY just irritated me to my core. And this one line alone from her makes me think he indeed has NOT gotten out of the friendzone with her. I may be wrong,but there's no other way to interpet it from my point of view. What she said here.......


but maybe she told me ''I can't go further because of you (yup..) and ''If I didn't know you we would be banging already probably..'' She said that.
OK.....you see what she said right here? They had already messed around a little,but she'd only let it go so far...wouldn't go all the way. And why? She said,"I can't go further because of YOU." And then the dagger......

"IF I DIDN'T KNOW YOU.....we would be banging already probably"

So she's not letting him "bang her" because she KNOWS him.

Ten years is a long time....but it apparently wasn't enough time to erase the AFC,asexual version of him from her mind. In her mind,she still "knows" him.

This is what's stopping her from going "all the way"...from having sex. And if there's no sex,there'll be no relationship.

I'm telling you....the friendzone is a mutha-f*cka to escape.....and it sure as hell ain't "eazy-peazy" to deal with. It's easy to prevent,but once you get in it,you're in for a WORLD of trouble.
 

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I dont know if what I did was good.

Went to the club, she was there with her friends. Didn't talk to any guys.

I was with a plate. She ride me all night in front of her. And she was checking us out all night looking very very sad. Everytime I was somewhere I saw her glancing at me. I had so much fun, chatting everyone up, talking to ladies, getting numbers and she saw most of it. Another chick was really on me, so I made her very jealous and she told me that she always falls for players who break her heart.

Im not sure if this was a good move but I gambled. I dont care about the broad I was with.
 
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