"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Cold approaches

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Cold approaches are money in the bank!

If you are at the top of your game you should be able to talk to any girl for a minute and then have her number. The best way to do this is to make up a bullsh*t line that leads to an "indirect pick-up". By an "indirect pick-up" I mean a pick-up that leaves her wondering "is he getting my number to ask me out?? or is it to tell me about a party/event or for some other reason?"

The best way to do this is to invite her to something. Whether it's a party, a get together, a fund raiser, or some other event.. it doesn't matter. It's just a made up line to reel her in. This event doesn't even have to exist. That's the beauty of it!

For example...

**you see a smokin hot broad in the mall**

You: "Excuse me, are you from around here?"
Her: "Yep, I live 15 minutes away"
You: "How old are you?" (I always ask this, it's an important question, plus it adds to the small talk)
Her: "24"
You: "You want to come out to a party in about a week?"
Her: "Sure, where is it?"
You:

(Make up a bunch of bullsh*t, I normally say...)


"My buddy has a 2 bedroom condo, and he's gonna be having quite a few people over next weekend"

Her: "Yeah, ok sounds good"
You: "Well, why don't you write down your number and I'll give you a call in a few days and give you the address and info"

Her: (If she likes you AT ALL, she will right down her number)


This pick-up is flawless. I use it 95% of the time for cold approaches. After you get the number, you call her up in a few days and ask her if she wants to go out for a drink or watch a movie with you. If she's says "No" you don't call her ever again. If she says "Yes" you have yourself a date, congrats. It's that easy. Then if she keeps asking about the party, tell her that you didn't think she'd like it so you didn't take her.

I really can't believe how well this pick-up works. Go out and try it now on any girl you can. Make sure you have a pen and paper on you.

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I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Also, you can learn alot about her reaction. If she gives you her number do you think she has a boyfriend??? probably not... she's fair game... make-out with her asap.
 

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Holy shiite!

I did the fake party line today with a chick... and she said "The party doesn't matter... just call me."

And I said "sure".

LOL.......:p
 

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no responses to your post, you could probably just edited those remarks in:p

It works and that was an excellent, ****ing, reply from her. That is like a know your a PUA and it made me wet kinda response.
 

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I'm sure that people will have probably mentioned this before, but here's what I like to do. Personally I try to keep it simple (the less there is that can go wrong, the less there is that will go wrong):

[eye contact, smiles, all that jazz etc.]
Me: Hi, don't I know you? Are you at Brasenose [I'm at Oxford university, so I just put in a random college name; other people might like to put in the names of schools, places of work etc] college?
Her: No, sorry, I'm at Christ Church [for argument's sake].
Me: Well, I'm Sophomakhos [well, I use my real name], and I'm at St John's.
Her: I'm [insert girl's name].
Me: Well, now we do know each other. I've got to rush now, as I'm off to a lecture. But give me your number and we'll have some coffee.

Providing that the initial eye contact and body language is good (in other words, don't try it on girls who obviously aren't interested etc.), you can usually get results from this. But your recommendation about a party is good - I might just appropriate that for my patter.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Originally posted by Sophomakhos
I'm sure that people will have probably mentioned this before, but here's what I like to do. Personally I try to keep it simple (the less there is that can go wrong, the less there is that will go wrong):

[eye contact, smiles, all that jazz etc.]
Me: Hi, don't I know you? Are you at Brasenose [I'm at Oxford university, so I just put in a random college name; other people might like to put in the names of schools, places of work etc] college?
Her: No, sorry, I'm at Christ Church [for argument's sake].
Me: Well, I'm Sophomakhos [well, I use my real name], and I'm at St John's.
Her: I'm [insert girl's name].
Me: Well, now we do know each other. I've got to rush now, as I'm off to a lecture. But give me your number and we'll have some coffee.

Providing that the initial eye contact and body language is good (in other words, don't try it on girls who obviously aren't interested etc.), you can usually get results from this. But your recommendation about a party is good - I might just appropriate that for my patter.
It's so easy to get a girl's number in a short conversation that it's funny. So many guys just have no balls to ask.

All you need is an opening line, a line of bullsh*t, and then a number close.
 

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That's a good pickup man...has the fake party ever been a problem? I'll start trying this line soon.
 

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I'm going to give it a go today, so I'll tell you later. I imagine that you just make up some excuse like 'it fell through' but use the call as an excuse to set up your own date.
 

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Originally posted by Inc. ©
That's a good pickup man...has the fake party ever been a problem? I'll start trying this line soon.
No, it's never a problem.

If she asks about it, all you have to say is that she probably wouldn't have liked it.. so you didn't call her. If she's interested in you, she won't care about the party and all she'll want to do is go out with you. If she's not interested in you, then she can hit the road..
 

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wheelin&dealin:

I would aim for more rapport before inviting people out to a party. No problem with inviting her when you first meet her but wait until you've flirted with her alittle bit before inviting her into your world and circle of friends, or just get her number and invite her when you call her.

Sophomakhos:

Thats a good example of a real short convo that combined with, like you said eye contact and smiles, can be a quick way to get a number in a hurry that has potential to turn into something more.

All in all good post. A good thing to take from it is that the convo doesn't have to be serious or about anything really, just go with whatever, flirt and have fun.

Mr. Mystery
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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hehe I tried that mystery II

I called up 5 numbers on saturday night and said theres a party here. Are you coming? ummmm who is this? A guy who knows good parties, gave her the number to the guys house, haha, and than hung up without saying bye.

Worked like a charm, every one of them showed
 

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Originally posted by Mr. Mystery II
wheelin&dealin:

I would aim for more rapport before inviting people out to a party. No problem with inviting her when you first meet her but wait until you've flirted with her alittle bit before inviting her into your world and circle of friends, or just get her number and invite her when you call her.
Mystery,

The party is "made-up"... it doesn't exist. It's just an easy indirect method to get a girl's phone number. After you have the number, you call her up and take her out on a date.
 

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Originally posted by wheelin&dealin
Mystery,

The party is "made-up"... it doesn't exist. It's just an easy indirect method to get a girl's phone number. After you have the number, you call her up and take her out on a date.
Okay, I can see that working out. So you invite her, get her number, "forget" to call her about the party and then call her later for a date?

This has worked for you?

I can see it working out only if she was really digging you from the one minute she had with you from when you originally got her number. And if thats the case, why not just ask her out straight up and skip the game.

I don't mean to rip your idea apart, if it works for you and apparently others as well, fvck everything I have to say, through my words out the window. I haven't tried this personally so I don't know if it would work or not.

But, I just don't see the point of going through all this. Stick around for an extra minute or two, joke around a bit, make an impression, get her number and let her be on her way. If she was digging you after that, she'll want to chill with you sometime, if not fvck her there are others out there. So its basically the same thing.

If this party invite approach works, then it works, I just find the whole thing unessecary.

That said, I kinda regret saying anything since I don't wanna detract anyone from getting out there and trying things out. This is why people stop posting in the forum, they don't feel like they are helping anymore...now I'm rambling...

Mr. Mystery
 

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Originally posted by Mr. Mystery II
Okay, I can see that working out. So you invite her, get her number, "forget" to call her about the party and then call her later for a date?

This has worked for you?

I can see it working out only if she was really digging you from the one minute she had with you from when you originally got her number. And if thats the case, why not just ask her out straight up and skip the game.

I don't mean to rip your idea apart, if it works for you and apparently others as well, fvck everything I have to say, through my words out the window. I haven't tried this personally so I don't know if it would work or not.

But, I just don't see the point of going through all this. Stick around for an extra minute or two, joke around a bit, make an impression, get her number and let her be on her way. If she was digging you after that, she'll want to chill with you sometime, if not fvck her there are others out there. So its basically the same thing.

If this party invite approach works, then it works, I just find the whole thing unessecary.

That said, I kinda regret saying anything since I don't wanna detract anyone from getting out there and trying things out. This is why people stop posting in the forum, they don't feel like they are helping anymore...now I'm rambling...

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The thing with cold approaches is that if you are too direct, you come off as some sort of creep. If you go up to a girl and ask her out in a minute conversation. You can come off as desperate or somebody with absolutely no seduction skills. By giving her an option of coming to a party with you, you can gauge her interest level and make it more comfortable for her to say yes or no. It's not like you asked her out, so it doesn't really matter if she accepts or not.

With the fake party line, you can use it absolutely anywhere and it's an easy go to line that doesn't take much thought. What else could you possibly say to a woman in a one minute conversation that could end up in an easy number close? I'd really like to know.. because cold approaches are my game.


If you're ugly, this may not work because it will be based on first impressions but if you have decent looks it works like a dream.


..and Might Mate, I don't know if this approach works on average girls because I don't ask out average girls, but it works like a charm on hot girls.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Nice to see you posting again wheelin! I always enjoyed your posts back in the day.

I also like the tip. Shows that you're going out there and developing your own style. Keep up the good work!
 

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wow this actually sounds possible.

thanks for posting man.:)
 

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Originally posted by Desdinova
Nice to see you posting again wheelin! I always enjoyed your posts back in the day.

I also like the tip. Shows that you're going out there and developing your own style. Keep up the good work!
Cheers Desdinova, I haven't hung out on these boards for years. When things take a turn for the worse, I always know I can stop by these boards to give me motivation and keep my life focused.
 
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