"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Cold approaches at the mall today log

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I did a few cold approaches at the mall today. My personal goal was to get one number close attempt in in, and I did it. Here is what happened.
Location: Old Hickory Mall. Jackson, Tennessee.
Goal: Christmas Shopping for my family while doing cold approaches in between and at least one number close attempt.
!: Attractive white woman who told me off the bat she was shopping for her fiancee. Short but decent conversation, no close.
2. Mature black woman shopping for kids. Decent conversation but little interest in me, no close.
3. Said Hello to a girl outside a store, girl immediately walks away.
4. Very attractive Asian worker. Good approach compared to most I've done. I had her laughing and reciprocating. When I said "We should continue this conversation some other time, put your number in my phone", she started laughing and I told her to "Not be Afraid" along with some other ****y and funny things. In the end, she said she was talking to another man at the moment, and didn't want to give me her number. Though she teased me with "Maybe, if you'll come back I'll do it for you." I finished up my shopping a second time and told her "Last chance", and just like maybe=no in Pook's ********, she said the same thing, and I said she was making excuses. I closed but not succesfully.
5. Average white woman worker at a store. Conversation was good, but she was busy, and I wasn't attracted to her enough to close.
6. Hispanic woman worker who was too busy playing with ornaments to engage in conversation.
7. Black woman worker that I had decent conversation with but, there didn't seem much interest from her, no close.
8. Black worker who I tried to engage but wouldn't get out of work mode. No close.
This really is the worst time of the year for pick-ups. I'm not phased by my lack of success though. I did achieve my goal of a number close, albeit an unsuccessful one. I want to close a 2 or 3-set of women next, successfully or unsuccessfully.
Are these normal results or am I just not quite good at the PU yet?
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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those are normal results for someone not good at pickup yet but hey we all start somewhere.

This is better than the majority of the forum that doesn't go out and approach at all and are keyboard jockeys.

GJ and keep up the goodwork!
 

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a close doesn't always have to be successful. A close a finishing off the approach by asking for the digits or w/e it may be.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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^That was the idea. A close attempt. But I will re-edit my original post. But I will post what I remember from the conversation where I went for the close.
D: Hello. I'm in here today looking for my Mom and Sister something. Could you help me with that? Something pink is preferred. Then she pointed me to another worker.
D. Hello, it must be busy in here today?
HB Asian: Yes, it's been busy in here.
D: They must have you working all day in here. I have to work on Christmas Eve myself, so I know what you're going through. Do you work here then too?
HB Asian: No, I'm off then, but I'm working the next few days.
D:Are you just working here for the holidays, or are you going to school too?
HB Asian: I'm going to X Local School, and I'm just going to college because I have no idea what to do with my life.
D: You must be an undecided major then. :) And you're working here too just because you don't know what to do.
HB Asian:How did you know?
D: I just have a good idea of things. I'm a Spanish major at Y college. It's really nice there.
HB: I thought about transferring to Y college.
D:It's nice. We should continue this conversation some other time. Put your number in my phone.
HB Asian. *Laughs*
D: What's wrong? You don't have guys asking for your number
HB: No, I've had a few do that, but I'm talking to someone now.
D: You're just making up excuses now. Don't be afraid.
HB:Maybe I'll give you my number when I come back.
Later on at my 2nd round to the store.
D: Hello, I bought my Mom and my sister this.
HB:Oh, that's nice,
D: Last chance!
HB:I'm sorry, but I'm talking to someone now.
D: You just keep making excuses. Maybe I'l see you around.
I leave, and I hear a co-worker say "Did he just ask you out?".
 

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AAAgent said:
those are normal results for someone not good at pickup yet but hey we all start somewhere.

This is better than the majority of the forum that doesn't go out and approach at all and are keyboard jockeys.

GJ and keep up the goodwork!
Ok, thanks. I'm going to try and set up a date with a girl that I did get a successful number close from a recently. And the first week of college in January, I'm going to do the "10 Rejections Exercise" from the DJ Boot Camp.
 
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