"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Clubs horrible place to meet women

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found this out the hard way.

1.) way too noisy

2.) most women go there to meet up with friends, not guys

3.) too much competition from other dudes

4.) cover charge

5.) extremely expensive. a beer and a shot cost me 14 dollars.

are bars any different? because I'm done with clubs.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Nebula said:
found this out the hard way.

1.) way too noisy - that's why there is music and people go to clubs to dance

2.) most women go there to meet up with friends, not guys - they go to meet guys too. you just haven't shown them that you are one of those guys who makes them weak in the knees.

3.) too much competition from other dudes - what did you expect? The girls are not going to sleep with you because they pity you or because you have competition. Separate yourself from the pack and you may get something in return.

4.) cover charge - huh?

5.) extremely expensive. a beer and a shot cost me 14 dollars. - drink water next time.

are bars any different? because I'm done with clubs.
Get some new clothes, spend some money on drinks, get some game and step it up. Then and only then you'll see the good results from clubs. Again, no girl is going to sleep with you because they pity you.
 
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I agree with the above replies, you are just making excuses. But hey man if this is all too difficult for you, if you are not prepared to put in the work just stay home and play video games. Sex with beautiful women isn't for everyone.
 

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Clubs are a great place to meet women, though I've never found a woman that I really wanted a LTR with at a club.
 

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You probably dont dress or have a style that suits your physical features.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Not horrible... just not that great!

Nebula said:
found this out the hard way.

1.) way too noisy

2.) most women go there to meet up with friends, not guys

3.) too much competition from other dudes

4.) cover charge

5.) extremely expensive. a beer and a shot cost me 14 dollars.

are bars any different? because I'm done with clubs.
Clubs aren't the best place to meet women (at least not quality women), but you're making excuses like the posters above me said. The clubbing experience is pretty harsh, it's based on looks, status and perception, and if you're having a bad night, it's pretty hard to turn things around. But don't worry, women are everywhere - I heard they make up, like 50% of the population :)

P.S. - There are bars in clubs too. If the dance floor approach isn't working... talk to them at the bar first then take them to the dance floor. In regular bars though, the first point is less of an issue, but the second point is more of an issue, I find.
 

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DonJuan11 said:
Get some new clothes, spend some money on drinks, get some game and step it up. Then and only then you'll see the good results from clubs. Again, no girl is going to sleep with you because they pity you.
"Easier said than done" This guy could easily spend 500 bucks on his wardrobe, and drop 150 bucks a night on drinks, and DJ the hell out of these women, and if they are just there to dance with their friends, they will gladly drink up his liquor and talk to him for 8 seconds before one of their girlfriends grabs her hand and rushes her off to the bathroom, to be rid of him.
 

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mr_elor said:
:down:

Club game is based purely on confidence, and either:

a) having good conversation
b) Being good at dance game
c) good with cave-manning etc

There's 4 or 5 of us out a few times a week, and time and time again it's down to whoever's in 'state'.
That stuff is basic though. Any kind of pickup requires confidence, good conversation skills (maybe not the other two). I'm just referring to the fact that lacking the things I mentioned significantly hinders your chances. More so in a club than anywhere else. He's already in the wrong 'state' if he thinks women only want to go clubbing to hang with their friends.
 

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i hate clubs.

-bad music AND loud
-filled with attention hoes
-filled with simps fighting for hoes
-very dark
-cant spit game
-expensive
-lots of smoke
-hate dancing
 

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Leave the clubbing to the professionals please.

If you can't stand the heat stay out the f*cking kitchen.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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PRMoon said:
If you can't stand the heat stay out the f*cking kitchen.

That's not bad advice. I am no club pickup artist, bars maybe, but no THUMP-THUMP-THUMP booty-shaking club. I do stay out of that kitchen.

Women are easiest to pick up in whatever environment you are most comfortable and display the most social proof. For many of us, a dance club is the most difficult place to display these traits. But that says nothing about your overall success with women. There are countless other places to meet women. They are everywhere, including an environment in which you excel, whatever that environment is. There are plenty of other kitchens.
 

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Professional clubbing, LOL I likes it.

I'm hitting the club on Monday so I may come back to this very thread to let you know how my night went :)
 

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Funny, I DJ(turntable dj) and I despise clubs and the atmosphere in them. The ones I go to which are centered around rap/hip hop are full of ****ers who are constantly on edge and ready to fight over the smallest thing, drinks are expensive, lots of girls think they are hot **** and want you to follow them around like a lap dog(sit down or move on, stop DOING THAT), and the dj plays the same songs over and over, literally.

Maybe I need to change venues, lol. Deep Ellum is in the dumps.

But it's all about where your comfy. Their fun when everything is clicking, but the club is a brutal environment; kill or be killed.
 

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mr_elor said:
Okay, I'm going to carefully go through your points one by one:

1) Excuse
2) Excuse
3) Excuse
4) Excuse
5) Excuse

How long have you decided this, after one or two nights, or after weeks of trying?

DonJuan11 hit all 5 nails on the head. There's always quieter areas. You don't have to drink (in fact I prefer not to as I keep a level head and it means i can go out with £10). Women go out to be pulled. Other guys ain't ****, they're all trying the same loser ****.
You hit all five nails on the head too! *Hi-5*
You just don't have the right methods to succeed in there. And that quitting attitude, stop that sh*t.

I'll hit these 5 nails on the head too.

1. Way too noisy.
Work your magic and then get her into a quieter area. Then keep the attraction going and do a #/ kiss close. You can also take the girl home if you played your cards right.

2. Most women go there to meet up with friends, not guys.
They go there to meet guys too. Like I always say, strike while the iron's hot! And it don't stay hot very long in clubs. If you're dancing and you want to dance with a chick near you, you can ask her (building attraction/ trust/ comfortability can be a safety net here), but do so quickly. Don't forget to # close after the song ends. Extra points if done after slow songs. Above all, don't linger. You'll demonstrate lower value.

3. Too much competition from other dudes.
Stop worrying. You're f**king up already. You can't win all the time. Don't do AFC sh*t i.e. buy a woman a drink, act like a caged gorilla looking for an escape, or the aforementioned lingering. Make yourself stand out (have a woman dress you or go shopping with one) and demonstrate higher value. One way it can be done is by just giving handshakes to a bunch of guys you introduce yourself to. And walk like you own the damn joint. If you don't know anything else, smell good, walk slow, and be smooth. Don't talk like a chipmunk. And don't pull the same tricks 93 other guys pulled trying to get the dime piece.

4. Cover charge.
This should be expected. Just pay it and have fun. Start off in there strong, and stay strong, and you have a better chance of winning. Extra points if you bring a wingman. 'Nuff said here.

5. Extremely expensive. A beer and a shot cost me 14 dollars.
I go to bars where everybody knows my name (Not Bull and Finch pub or anything from Cheers) and I can drink for free. Otherwise, do what I do and drink Sprite with no ice. And drink it like it's beer! Be relaxed and don't walk around with it, it makes you look unavailable.

Otherwise, meeting women in clubs without superstar status, you're in that NBC game show 1 vs. 100! And you're the 1, trying to get the chicks, while outdoing 100 other dudes who want the same thing. When interest arises, STRIKE!

Best of luck to you!
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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There are countless other places to meet women.

Smartone84 said:

The women you see in the club have lives, too, you know? They don't live in the club and do go out in public to other places.

To the guys who are good in the club, good for you. But I think we tend to define the pickup artist as a guy who is good in clubs, but you can pick up a woman anywhere, and it seems misguided to think that there is a right and a wrong place to pick up a girl and get laid. Pvssy is pvssy, even if it came from myspace!
 

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the clubs is not one of the greatest places to get women..most girls that go with friends are trying to have fun not to pick up guys...the ones that want guys to pick them up are the ones that are totally their after 2 in the morning or soo when the people went just to have fun start leaving

The guys who are good in clubs are the ones that are able to stand the music and can work with so many distractions and thats few...with the attention span that most people have...
 

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I have no problems getting contact with women are getting them interested outside the bar. This weekend I was gonna try a bit of picking up at the bar and I've never gotten shot down that much. Women who are generally below me shot me down. I'm no ugly guy either, i'm 185 lbs work out, dress well and well groomed/ got tan.

Some of the reasons I think depends on a bit of the style you got.

Personally I'm usually verbal, uses sexual hints, insinuating things, body language hints and social proof along with rock hard confidence and looks. This is great when the person is sober and can pick up on stuff. It's even good to weed out stupid girls who are prob the biggest turn off for me.

Now try taking that style into the bar and see how well it goes. Girls are too drunk to catch the hints or body language unless its massive. Every way you are used to manevour doesnt work. You're stuck not knowing what to do.

The guys I know who are successful in clubs are generally more kinestic people who touch more, are more straightforward and openly passionate.

Club scene sucks for me at least. Guys who drink and get "confident" and wanna fight because they are too chicken to do anything when they are sober. Girls who upvalue themselves and want drinks/ you to do stuff for them. Too many interruptions. I guess it works or it doesnt depending what style you got.
 

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Reborn said:
I have no problems getting contact with women are getting them interested outside the bar. This weekend I was gonna try a bit of picking up at the bar and I've never gotten shot down that much. Women who are generally below me shot me down. I'm no ugly guy either, i'm 185 lbs work out, dress well and well groomed/ got tan.
I'm not saying clubs are a bad place to meet women, but for a lot of guys they are. Even the ugly girls, girls most people wouldn't give the time of day to outside of a drunken bar setting, get hit on validated out the ass by drunk guys. And the hot girls even moreso. Generally there's more guys than girls, and if you turn on the lights and take the beer goggles off you'd probably notice that very few of the women there are really that attractive. But if you can work clubs, it can be one of the most efficient ways to get laid.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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