"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Maestro Monk

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Checked out a local club with 2 of my buddies last night. We were late arriving, so by the time we were inside, it was already 1 am. First things first..had to dance with a few 7's to break the ice, set the mood, and gain some social proof.

Moving on, spotted a 9 sitting with her friend (a 6), sipping away their drinks. My wings were busy dancin it up themselves, so I was on my own for this one.
They were both sitting, so I knelt down so that I was eye level with them, and opened by saying that I needed a quick female opinion:
"..your glass..half empty, or half full?"
Yada Yada..turns out we're both in third year and involved in sports at the same uni. Some decent witty chit chat about random subjects for about 5 mins.

At one point she asks a stupid **** test question (forget what it was now), so I put my hands on both her shoulders, and put my face close to hers ('mental kino'). Not only did my 'look' respond well to her test, it also allowed me to determine how little she had drank. By now her IL appears to be quite high, as she's responding to my touch well, and asking me question after question.

Fast forward 10 mins, and I'm realizing that by now I should be dancing with her..alright, time to isolate..
"you..me..dancefloor, now" She looks me right in the eye, and doesn't movie.
"I'm in no state to dance"
I extend my arm out, and shift attention back to her 6 friend as well..
"which of you lucky gals is gonna get the honours then?
6: "sorry, I can't leave 9."
MM: "so then it sounds like you're both coming."
9: "Thanks, but no thanks."
I playfully grab 9's arm and pull her up towards me, but she resists, staying seated. The result? I bail, nexting them both by saying it was cool chatting.

Looking for suggestions on how I could have better attempted to isolate.

The rest of the night seemed to go by before I could blink, and mainly consisted of me dancing away with a few 7's. Some light fluff talk with a few more afterwards, and went for number closes on 2 within about 5 minutes each. We decided to call it quits by 2:30, as I had to work at 7 am.

Overall, a decent night..learned a fair bit about club pickups, had a good time with my buds, and gained a few #'s from 7's in the process.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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there was nothing yo could do, they just werent up for it bro, you cant do this perfectly when its 50% depending on other people.
 

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45 views, and 1 reply? I'm looking on how to improve my success, should a similar situation occur again. Let's hear it guys.
 

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Originally posted by Maestro Monk

Looking for suggestions on how I could have better attempted to isolate.
If she was sitting with her friend, don't ignore her friend. It seems you made your intentions pretty obvious that you were into the HB9 and not the other one.

The HB9 is used to getting hit alot while the plain looking girl does not. You should have made both of them laugh and feel good without showing who was actually your intented target.

Once both of them seems to like you, then it is best to just ask the plain looking girl " do you mind if I borrow your friend just for a second?" and then pull the HB9 to some isolated corner and get her number and split. The longer you chat and wait the longer the chances that you will irriatate plain jane and she will come over and c0ckblock you.

Normally if you ask the HB9 for a dance she probably will pull plain jane to join you and her, or won't dance with you too long because she doesn't want to upset her friend by leaving her by herself. Although if you got all your sh1t together HB9 will probably lose herself on the dance floor and forget about plain jane ( Very hot women tend to be very self absorbs and self serving, so they lose themselves in the moment if you can create that kind of experience).

You could have also waited for one of your wingmen. If there is an agreement that he will be the one "taking one for the team" then the isolation will occur naturally. You slowly build a converation with the HB9, while your wingman does the same with plain jane. Thus two different conversations occure at once.

Originally posted by Maestro Monk
At one point she asks a stupid **** test question (forget what it was now), so I put my hands on both her shoulders, and put my face close to hers ('mental kino'). Not only did my 'look' respond well to her test, it also allowed me to determine how little she had drank. By now her IL appears to be quite high, as she's responding to my touch well, and asking me question after question.

Fast forward 10 mins, and I'm realizing that by now I should be dancing with her..alright, time to isolate..
"you..me..dancefloor, now" She looks me right in the eye, and doesn't movie.
Why did you wait 10 mins? 10 mins is a long time. Ever heard the expression" hit the iron while it's hot"? Instead you lower her interest by talking too much and then rushed right into: "you.. me... dancefloor" - What are you Tarzan?? " Jane... Tarzan... Likes..... - you had the ball but end up dropping it.

Ever hear the expression "always leave on a high note" or "always leave them wanting more"? When you recieve a very high response from a chick, you could have withdraw a bit by saying " I just remembered I got to go look for my friends"- and just walk away. Let her chew on that for a while and think why did you dissapear? it will intrigue her as to why you are not as desperate as the other guys. Then come back to her after 5-10 mins tell her "man I just saw the craziest thing but I don't know if I should tell you" (have a c0cky grin on your face) and she will be like " WHAT WHAT TELL ME!!!??. Then its up to you to take it from there.
 

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Should have gotten one of your wings to take the "H"B6.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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did you really say "you me dancefloor now" that could be part of the problem. also as i see everynite at work. girls in danceclubs xspecially 9's get hit on by atleast 500 guys a nite. they dont care about you. defently by 130am they dont give a ****. key to club pickups. dont do it at all it's i see pretty good looking guys going home with 4 or 5's cause they are drunk settling for a late nite lay. if you are dead set on taking home the 9s and 10's get a gym membership workout everyday get a job as a bartender in a trendy nite club. thats who the 9's and 10's go home with. because they are elusive yet flirty threw out the nite. plus we didnt spend all nite getting drunk and trying to hit on them.
 

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yeah, rockstar88 that "you, me, dancefloor now" felted a bit icky to me too.
i wouldn't have done that.

while talking to her i would look at the dancefloor and point to a chick
me:"can you dance like her?"

if she says:"no ...blah balh"
me:"how disappointing"(neghit) "see you laters, i'm not fond of people who can't dance, beats the whole point of being here"
walk away without looking at her. she'll most like call u back.

if she says""yes..blah blah"
me:"really, prove it" look at her and smile, get up and don't even ask her for a dance, just wink and indicate her to come with u.
 

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very difficult.

but i'll tell ya this much, theres no point inviting both girls to dance.

then when you're on the floor, and the HB9 won't be grinding on u, unless she's a real dirty wh*re. and u can't talk. they both lose interest because its awkward.

as someone else said maybe try this.

"hey HB6, can i just borrow HB9 for a minute." -take her around the corner out of site- "listen, i wanted to keep this from being uncomfortable for you're friend, but i've had a lot of fun with you, i'd like to take you for coffee some time next week, whats your number?"
 

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Thanks for the tips all, I'll keep 'em in mind should this ever again occur.
Now for an update. Turns out that one of the girls that I danced with that night (an HB7) ended up exchanging numbers with one of my wings. He called me and said there was a birthday bash going on at her campus residence. Having no better plans that night, your truly decides to check it out.
I arrive there, and am immediately introduced to the friends of the girl I danced with (none were better than 7) :(.

By about 11:00, the 7 won't leave my side. She is drunk, and not overly attractive, so I decide that I do not want to involve myself with her, and leave the party around 11:30.

The next day my wingbuddy tells me that she kept asking about me. He told her where and when I am working, so apparently now I can expect a visit. :eek:
 

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Originally posted by Maestro Monk
Thanks for the tips all, I'll keep 'em in mind should this ever again occur.
Now for an update. Turns out that one of the girls that I danced with that night (an HB7) ended up exchanging numbers with one of my wings. He called me and said there was a birthday bash going on at her campus residence. Having no better plans that night, your truly decides to check it out.
I arrive there, and am immediately introduced to the friends of the girl I danced with (none were better than 7) :(.

By about 11:00, the 7 won't leave my side. She is drunk, and not overly attractive, so I decide that I do not want to involve myself with her, and leave the party around 11:30.

The next day my wingbuddy tells me that she kept asking about me. He told her where and when I am working, so apparently now I can expect a visit. :eek:
How is a 7 not attractive?

5 is average. agree?
HB 987654321

4 numbers either side, meaning average.
7 is 2 points higher then average.
2 points higher then 7 is awesome.
thus, 7 must be attractive.

heres a tip for ya.

Stop being a p*ssy and making excuses.

If 7's are all that are around, 7 is what you take.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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First of all, I will reiterate that she was drunk. Sexing intoxicated women is not really my thing. The way I see it, not much point in ****ing her if
a) she probably won't remember it, and
b) she falls off my **** while riding me, or worse yet, vomits while giving head.

If this girl still wants me while sober, then sure, I will probably **** her. If I don't ever again see her, she's one out of many opportunities I have for sex.

Secondly, let me clarify what I said about this one. Yes, she's a 7. Yes, a 7 is attractive; but when the girl's speech is slurred beyond recognition and she's about to fall over, she temporarily loses points.

At this point, I still have my options open with this one, because according to my wing, she really wants me, and is going to visit me at work tomorrow. Nothing better than having an impatient female demand satisfaction. :)
 

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Originally posted by Maestro Monk
First of all, I will reiterate that she was drunk. Sexing intoxicated women is not really my thing. The way I see it, not much point in ****ing her if
a) she probably won't remember it, and
b) she falls off my **** while riding me, or worse yet, vomits while giving head.

If this girl still wants me while sober, then sure, I will probably **** her. If I don't ever again see her, she's one out of many opportunities I have for sex.

Secondly, let me clarify what I said about this one. Yes, she's a 7. Yes, a 7 is attractive; but when the girl's speech is slurred beyond recognition and she's about to fall over, she temporarily loses points.

At this point, I still have my options open with this one, because according to my wing, she really wants me, and is going to visit me at work tomorrow. Nothing better than having an impatient female demand satisfaction. :)
GAINS!

SHE GAINS POINTS!
 
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