"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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HedoRick

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How many of you DJ's have quit going to church?

I have been going for years, but for some reason just recently realized that it doesen't do a man any good. I still was spinning plates and dating plenty of women... However, being a Christian certainly complicates things. False feelings of guilt certainly prevent you from enjoying certain things as much as one should..

I look around at all my "friends" at church. They are all hitched up to the most plain, boring, and fat girls.

The ones that are dating settle for plain chicks as well. These dudes practically worship their girlfriends and talk on the phone with them for hours.

Long story short, I see very few real men at church. Mostly, all I see is dudes whipped by mediocrity. I find that church is not a very masculine environment.

Any of you guys with church experience feel the same?

I am just glad that i've up and ended the cognitive dissonance. I am interested to hear your experiences as well...
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I abandoned all forms of religion when I was ~16.

Not because it's not masculine, but because it's stupid. All of it.
 

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Nope. Don't do church. Ruined my last relationship because she started going to church and wanted me to go and I refused. Biggest reason is, yes, the people there drive me mad.
 

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Spirituality is the art of achieving personal happiness. A truly successful man has to have some link to it.

But Christianity is generally idiotic. People who believe in the literal miracles are fools and I don't want them as friends. Christianity has a peaceful, community element, but it's too small to justify going to church. Find your own spirituality.
 

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I'm an atheist since 16. And even when I wasn't I simply could not understand the point of wasting x hours / week in church.



Christianity has a peaceful, community element.
It has someof those elements. The end result of christianity however ,is extremism, and consequently , pointless hatred.

'love thy neighbor' (as long as he shares your beliefs).


But yea,if you walk about mediocrity , church is about as mediocre as it gets.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Ah, church chicks....

I've been a Christian since my 20s. Here is what I have learned:

Church chicks either put up a wall as soon as you start talking (because they think you're hitting on them, even if you're not); have a "spiritual standard" that is not only known only to them but includes a bar set so high a guy with a little edge on him (maybe, like me, he enjoys some Makers Mark and a cigar now and then--bad, bad, bad!) cannot reach it; they're waiting for Jesus / Boaz or some other combination of a "Godly man" that is more fiction than reality. They're socially stunted. They expect love at first sight. They expect to be catered to--they're the perpetual princess, "the bride", and want to live on a pedestal. They're "damaged" from other relationships and refuse to participate, and even if they do go out with you, dinner hasn't even arrived before they're talking about marriage, kids, "what are your intentions?", their depression pills, anxiety pills, ADD pills, bipolar pills, etc. (I had that happen twice!), and all you want to do is finish eating and ask for the check and get out.

So, yeah...church chicks suck.

As for church men being AFCs....well. Yes. They are. They are happy AFCs because that's what they're taught to be. Want to feel like a dinosaur? Be a Type A at church.

Boy this even makes ME want to quit church! I suppose it has it's good points, though.
 

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I've been to many different types of churches in my life- anglican, "cowboy church" Assemblies of God, and most recently, Southern Baptist. After hanging around all of them, the similarities are just too much. Pretty much 95 percent of the dudes have extremely homely wives and girlfriends. Those girls also had a very lacking personality.

I noticed at one church, that guys past 30, fat, balding, all said that "God will send me a woman". They honestly believed that.

How about, get thy lard azz to a gym, learn a little game, and grow a pair... Novel concept for some it seems...
 

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I believe in God but not in religion. Every major religion out there was conceived as a form of social control. Be obedient, do what the preacher man tells you, don't question what's written in holy book, pay your tithe and don't use your head too much. That's pretty much what religion boils down to.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I believe in God myself, but I can't being myself to go to church. They just ask for you to do so much and I don't find it errr important. They just don't live in the real world, they are stuck in the olden days. And a lot of the Bible really conflicts with itself, I just cant wrap my head around that stuff anymore. Especially since I am in love with any form of science and scientific reasoning, that stuff really doesn't jive.
 

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HedoRick said:
How many of you DJ's have quit going to church?
Don't know what church you are going to but most of the chicks at my church are nice hot young girls, they are civil, and you can approach and talk to them.

HedoRick said:
I have been going for years, but for some reason just recently realized that it doesen't do a man any good. I still was spinning plates and dating plenty of women... However, being a Christian certainly complicates things. False feelings of guilt certainly prevent you from enjoying certain things as much as one should..
Then you are going for all of the wrong reasons.

Hedorick said:
I look around at all my "friends" at church. They are all hitched up to the most plain, boring, and fat girls.
Maybe they see something with them that you don't.

Hedorick said:
The ones that are dating settle for plain chicks as well. These dudes practically worship their girlfriends and talk on the phone with them for hours.
Whatever rocks their boat. Why are you jealous if your friends are happy? If they were dating someone and they were not happy and putting up with nonsense then that is another story.

Hedorick said:
Long story short, I see very few real men at church. Mostly, all I see is dudes whipped by mediocrity. I find that church is not a very masculine environment.
You have to approach girls at church and have balls. That is what being a man is about. This is what I do. I was in a mediocre relationship so I dumped the girl. Now I talk to other girls. Nobody says anyone has to be whipped by mediocrity.

The Bible talks against mediocrity. It talks about finishing the race winning and triumphantly and to fight as a soldier that is not encumbered by this world. It is about winning the prize. But you have to be in the right race.
 

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Point is, the churches I attended didn't have any girls worth approaching. I don't need "balls" to approach women I don't find physically attractive. I'm better served in bars and clubs.

Other dudes can saddle up with mediocrity, but that path is not for me.
 

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Can't do the religion/church thing. Everyone repeats, no one thinks for themselves, hopes are false, and the concept has been surpassed by human evolution and science. We live in a world governed by science and the direct correlation between you sitting on your ass and you actually making things happen.

Nothing is from above, everything lies within your hands.
 

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I attend Quaker meetings at least once a month.

I'm definitely not looking to make cool friends or have sex with hot women. That is 180 degrees different than what church is for. OF COURSE you're going to be disappointed if that's what you're looking for. Don't even bother with spiritual search because it's not where you're at right now bro. You complain about if the same way you would a club that's not popping on a particular night.

My meeting is full of goofy hippie dudes who have never left the 60s and old lesbians who make me vegan cookies. Apparently we are treading the same path and that's what's most important. That's who I want to be around when I am contemplating God and his place and my life...people who are doing the same.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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females in church are probably among the most hypocritical beings on the planet. chaste, virginal....my arse! most guys are afc however there is an Alpha...yeah, the guy at the front, he really knows the deal and dont think he isnt sampling the goods either, churches are full of sinners, thats why they go
 
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