"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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hi,

i have been thinking what to get my girlfriend for christmas, and one of my friends mentioned maybe get her lingerie (bra and panties). at first, i thought it was a pretty good idea, its something personal (not something like electronics) and both of us would get some enjoyment out of it (i hope :D). as far as sizing goes, i guess i could look through her underwear drawer...:woo:. i figure its better than purchasing something like jewelry. what are peoples thoughts on the lingerie idea?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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first we need to know how old she is and if she would actually wear it.
then you should send me a link to her pic so i can guess her size for you and help you find it cheap.
 

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penkitten said:
first we need to know how old she is and if she would actually wear it.
then you should send me a link to her pic so i can guess her size for you and help you find it cheap.
she is 27, i am 21, she usually wears skimpy underwear e.g. g-strings, thongs, lace boyshorts. her underwear isn't cheap, she spends alot of money on underwear.
 

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white cloud 8 said:
she is 27, i am 21, she usually wears skimpy underwear e.g. g-strings, thongs, lace boyshorts. her underwear isn't cheap, she spends alot of money on underwear.
underwear collector....
then she would probally love more.
check out http://www.fredericks.com/default.asp?vP=WMLGBCS01&roiid=691&gclid=CNflgOC23IgCFSoIFQodLCbmow
or http://www.3wishes.com/
with
http://www.yankeecandle.com/cgi-bin/ycbvp/retail.jsp
http://www.nestleusa.com/PubOurBrands/BrandDetails.aspx?lbid=91DF1E8D-9EB4-4382-9F9A-3AD848EED46D
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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penkitten said:

would it be weird for me to go buy lingerie at a lingerie store? if so, would it be best to bring a female friend along who knows my girlfriend?
 

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white cloud 8 said:
would it be weird for me to go buy lingerie at a lingerie store? if so, would it be best to bring a female friend along who knows my girlfriend?
its only weird if you think it is, and if you think it is weird to pick it out, how weird are you gonna feel giving it to her??

its like buying condoms, once you are old enough to do it, its only weird the very first time.
 

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its only weird if you think it is, and if you think it is weird to pick it out, how weird are you gonna feel giving it to her??

its like buying condoms, once you are old enough to do it, its only weird the very first time.
well i have no problem going to the store to buy condoms (it shows that i'm safe :up: ) i think once i have her size(s) figured out i'm going to go buy a lingerie set, i think it's a special gift (what do others think?) what does lingerie say? i think it says that i think she is sexy (which i do).
 

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white cloud 8 said:
she is 27, i am 21
ask your mother. the two of them probably share the same interests if not almost the same age :D
 

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figuring out a size is easy. most sizes are small , medium , large and plus.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I wouldn't buy a woman lingerie on on my own what so ever. You spend the time picking out something that you think would look sexy on your girl and you give it to her. She puts it on and guess what, it's the wrong size. If it's too small, she may feel embarrassed that she's larger than you perceive her to be. If it's too large, she'll think that you believe that she's fat. Think about it. Even though they come in basic sizes, it makes a difference between styles, where the band lies, where the thighs are cut, the type of fabric.

Instead, use your imagination. Buying someone lingerie screams naughtiness, capitalize on it. Give her a gift certificate to VS and tell her that you will go with her to help her pick something out. But that's not all, your objective is not to just buy some undies, but to sneak into the dressing room with her while she tries them on. It'll take balls, it'll probably give you a few stares from the salespeople and the other customers but think about what it will do for the excitement factor for you and your girl? ;)

These are the types of things that guys seldom do in a relationship and ultimately they get bored because there's no excitement. Make an effort to make sure it never goes away. :up:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
I wouldn't buy a woman lingerie on on my own what so ever. You spend the time picking out something that you think would look sexy on your girl and you give it to her. She puts it on and guess what, it's the wrong size. If it's too small, she may feel embarrassed that she's larger than you perceive her to be. If it's too large, she'll think that you believe that she's fat. Think about it. Even though they come in basic sizes, it makes a difference between styles, where the band lies, where the thighs are cut, the type of fabric.

Instead, use your imagination. Buying someone lingerie screams naughtiness, capitalize on it. Give her a gift certificate to VS and tell her that you will go with her to help her pick something out. But that's not all, your objective is not to just buy some undies, but to sneak into the dressing room with her while she tries them on. It'll take balls, it'll probably give you a few stares from the salespeople and the other customers but think about what it will do for the excitement factor for you and your girl? ;)

These are the types of things that guys seldom do in a relationship and ultimately they get bored because there's no excitement. Make an effort to make sure it never goes away. :up:

Well, I could just go look in her underwear drawer (see what size she is) :whistle:

BTW: honestly, is this a good gift idea? personally, I think so (the gift says that I think she is sexy, it is something we will both get enjoyment out of, and it shows her that I'm a little naughty). Since this would be the first time (if I do consider) buying a woman lingerie, I think its ballsy.
 

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So we chatted today online (she is away at the moment) and I guess she caught wind of my plan (lingerie ) and she asked why I was asking what she liked to wear, I tried playing it off that I was only curious but, then she got a little worried that I had already bought her some lingerie (which I haven't). Since she is tall (6'0") that sizing would be difficult, so she said that it would be fun for us to go shopping together (YAY!) I replied with my thoughts exactly . So I have to think of a nice gift to get her for Christmas.
 

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white cloud 8 said:
...Since she is tall (6'0") that sizing would be difficult, so she said that it would be fun for us to go shopping together (YAY!) I replied with my thoughts exactly ...
WHOSE thoughts exactly? You were going to sneak a peek into her drawers (the wooden kind, not the silk kind). Geesh... :rolleyes:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
WHOSE thoughts exactly? You were going to sneak a peek into her drawers (the wooden kind, not the silk kind). Geesh... :rolleyes:
lol..thanks :yes:
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I'm feeling like an AFC tbh because I've spent alot on my gf for christmas.

Oops.
 

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Tweek_1984 said:
I'm feeling like an AFC tbh because I've spent alot on my gf for christmas.

Oops.
Either get your money back or save them until she's earned them (like Chrismas 2007 if you two are still together).
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Either get your money back or save them until she's earned them (like Chrismas 2007 if you two are still together).

Yea, thats an idea I suppose.

Its her birthday in a week or so, so together with christmas and her bday I spent like £150 on her, 2 items for her birthday and 3 for christmas. I'm sort of thinking it's a bit too much and have a suspicious feeling shes only got me 1 or 2 relatively cheap things.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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