Chivalry

[Jay Jay]

Chivalry is not opening doors or adjusting seats and **** (although it can be an expression of chivalry).

Chivalry is an attitude.

It is being comfortable in your masculinty and respectful and appreciative of feminity.

Chivary wasn't destroyed by feminism. It was destroyed by AFCs trying to win girls affection by kissing arse.

I'll try to expain.

I was outside a club recently with two babes I just met.

One of the said, "I'm cold."

I replied, "Want my jacket?"

She replied: "Chivalry is dead."

This girl doesn't know me! To her that is just a sign that I will do anything to get her honey.

I replied (with a smile): "well f*ck ya then *****."

Both girls laughed, I handed over my jacket which she did not take off all night and followed me around everywhere.

What is happening here?

Well in my words I showed a few things.

I wasn't trying to use my kind gesture as a way to make her think I'm a nice guy and I demonstrated that my kind act came from the fact that I'm a real man.

Chivalry happens automatically, with no forthought.

Chivalry is when you take the bottle of sauce of your girl, open and hand it back WITHOUT making any mention that you helped her. A shmuck will open the sauce and make a big deal out of it.

Chivalry is escorting girls out of a bar room brawl and then run back inside to help your mates. A shmuck will stop and explain how he had to protect the ladies.

Chivalry happens when you are so confident and happy in youre own skin you want to use your greatness to help others.

It is not an act trying to win approval.

Thats my take.

JJ

 

[Jackman]

I'm interested to hear other perspectives on this traditional behavior and how you guys have worked it into your "routines".

There are subtle measures of chivalry that I've found to be extremely effective, but it's not the door holding or chair pushing type of thing most people associate with chivalry. It is in the simple act of "looking out" for a woman without over-stepping your boundaries.

In reality, even a cold approach or "AMOGing" in itself can be an act of chivalry. I've done it many times before.

I was at a party where I had spotted a woman I was very interested in talking to. Of course, she was very attractive and most other men wanted to talk to her as well. This made other women at the party jealous of her, so much in fact that I had noticed one of these women were ready to start some sh!t with the poor girl.

The girl I had my eye on was the very shy/sweet type, unconfrontational in nature. A lady, in other words. She was aware of how other women felt about her presence at this party and she was aware that this one particular jealous woman began to made her way towards her to start trouble. That's when I made my move and did my cold approach. Simply by saying hello I had stopped the jealous girl in her tracks. Essentially, I "saved her" from trouble, if you want to look at it that way. This girl and her entire family loved me for it.

I did this with another girl at another party, pulling her out of a situation where a guy was trying to get her to smoke a joint when she didn't want to. I did my cold approach; pulled her out of the situation.

Basically, there are always opportunities to do this type of thing, even in night clubs, as attractive women always seem to find themselves in undesirable situations like I've mentioned above. You just have to pay attention to how a woman fairs in her own surroundings, recognize potential BS and intervine at the right time to prevent and/or end it.

 

[realsmoothie]

I don't know about you guys, but where I live the girls are pretty damned fine either way you want to play it. You want to go dutch on food, bust their chops, ignore which side of the sidewalk you walk on? Fine, they're independant women, they can handle that. You want to open doors, pay for dinner, say sweet things? Sure... it's not common anymore, but it makes you unique in their eyes.

I live in a town known for having a left-wing, progressive feminist crowd, too. I'll do "chivalrous" things all the time, and have NEVER had a negative comment. Sometimes you'll get a joking sarcasm, but nothing serious.

Then again, I'm in Canada, and one of my personal beliefs is that Americans really have the tendency to take little stupid political things too far. That's why every other western country is more socialist than you, and yet YOU guys are the ones who have problems with feminists and political correctness. I really think so many of your women are overreacting against chivalrous acts because they've built their self-identity so strongly on being independant.

Does anyone else here from outside of the U.S. share my feelings about American girls?

 

[DeePee]

Chivalry is not opening doors or adjusting seats and **** (although it can be an expression of chivalry).

Chivalry is an attitude.

It is being comfortable in your masculinty and respectful and appreciative of feminity.

Chivary wasn't destroyed by feminism. It was destroyed by AFCs trying to win girls affection by kissing arse.

.......

Chivalry happens automatically, with no forthought.

Chivalry is when you take the bottle of sauce of your girl, open and hand it back WITHOUT making any mention that you helped her. A shmuck will open the sauce and make a big deal out of it.

Chivalry is escorting girls out of a bar room brawl and then run back inside to help your mates. A shmuck will stop and explain how he had to protect the ladies.

Chivalry happens when you are so confident and happy in youre own skin you want to use your greatness to help others.

It is not an act trying to win approval.

Thats my take.

JJ

Sorry to revive the old thread, but it was posted in the other section and linked here.

Anyway, this is spot on how a man should act towards women. It has ZERO AFC tendencies, and women melt over these attitudes and actions.

 

[Andy_Dufresne]

Wow....gentlemen, what is this? a b^tch session ?(except for the DeePee's last post)

Chivalry is SUCH a powerful tool. And it isn't "paying for dinner".

Expenditures aren't chivalry. That being said, expenditures should be even from day one.

back to chivalry: You show class, you do it the right way, you get laid.

What's the right way, you ask? Some months ago I bagged a total babe on a third date and ended up in a short term relationship....where during the first date we met for a drink at a local pub. When we walked out of the pub it had started to rain. She looked at me and paused before walking out into the rain - she was dressed really well, and her body language screamed, "You're supposed to pull the car around and pick me up."

At that point I just kind of looked at her, rolled my eyes, and said, "what the hell? You're afraid to get wet?" Then before she reacted I walked off across the lot and grabbed the car while she waited under an awning.

That started the ball rolling; there were times in those first couple of dates where she would stop right in front of a door and wait for me to open it, whereby I would stop directly behind her, then look at her and say "there's a door there, try opening it."

Conversely, nine times out of ten I would open the car door for her, and open doors for her PROVIDED she didn't treat the situation as though it was her birthright to expect chivalry all the time every time simply because she was hot.

I used chivalry in a push/pull fashion, in a way that turned her on, and she loved it.

 

[jophil28]

The more I think of it... this chivalry argument is diabolical. It's a dangling carrot appealing to a woman's knight in shining armor fantasy.

What you did was interesting,. Perhaps your "challenge" triggered off desire. IL in her for a combo of reasons.

1, You spoke to her in a FEARLESS way. If effect, you did the opposite of what most guys do when they are around her. They seek her approval, you provoked her. Perhaps she felt 'trapped and cornered' by your line or reasoning- the girl felt HELPLESS under the weight of your logic. You did the modern version of clubbing her over the head, and she Surrendered !

2. You showed INDIFFERENCE ,

3. You demonstrated STRENGTH and a belief in your own thoughts and opinions.

4. You show self VALUE by placing you beliefs and opinions above her acceptance of you.

5. You stood out from the crowd and showed your willingness to lead and not be sheep like in your ideas and the way that you converse with a woman.

I wish that most chumps could read your post to get a grip on how far they have wandered from the path of traditional manliness.

NIce job V.