China Social Credit System... This is scary!

[Blacksheep]

 

[Who Dares Win]

I would have been against any of that untill couple of years ago, right now I would fully support it in Europe.

People think that you have freedom on a side and security on the other, yet no one acknowledge the importance of trust and justice and right now our society and legal system benefits scum much more than honest ones.

I dont find anything wrong to prevent a drug addicts on welfare from being "free" to rent a public bike given that there is a good chance he will break it or steal it given he has nothing to lose.

 

[Blacksheep]

I would have been against any of that untill couple of years ago, right now I would fully support it in Europe.

People think that you have freedom on a side and security on the other, yet no one acknowledge the importance of trust and justice and right now our society and legal system benefits scum much more than honest ones.

I dont find anything wrong to prevent a drug addicts on welfare from being "free" to rent a public bike given that there is a good chance he will break it or steal it given he has nothing to lose.

That's a interesting point!

It might be something good... but I just don't know what is the intention of China's President with such a power.

 

[Chronocidal]

I would have been against any of that untill couple of years ago, right now I would fully support it in Europe.

"I have read the report about your patient. The Commissariat considers Mr. Rosenberg's religion to be unacceptably heterodox, and you should know that people who pose such a destabilizing threat to our nation's morals do not deserve everything this hospital has to offer. Dr. Schwarz, I will tell you this only once: Medical care of that level will NOT be allocated to heathens. I do hope that you understand what this means for you if you ever think that your great erudition somehow entitles you to try anything radical."

"Records of Ms. Ragnarson's cellphone use indicate that she has not been spending enough time studying our great nation, and she seemed unreasonably muted while the others cheered as the High King's motorcade arrived. If she's not so certain that this land is her land, then no person shall be permitted to sell, transfer, or herit land to her, and anyone who tries to do so, or issues a mortgage loan to that self-hating treacherous slag will have a lot of time on their hands to rethink their actions."

"Be it resolved that no STD medications may be sold or transferred to Tinder users. In choosing a risky lifestyle they have chosen to amplify the dangers to the rest of the population. Let them suffer the wages of their sins."

 

[Who Dares Win]

"I have read the report about your patient. The Commissariat considers Mr. Rosenberg's religion to be unacceptably heterodox, and you should know that people who pose such a destabilizing threat to our nation's morals do not deserve everything this hospital has to offer. Dr. Schwarz, I will tell you this only once: Medical care of that level will NOT be allocated to heathens. I do hope that you understand what this means for you if you ever think that your great erudition somehow entitles you to try anything radical."

"Records of Ms. Ragnarson's cellphone use indicate that she has not been spending enough time studying our great nation, and she seemed unreasonably muted while the others cheered as the High King's motorcade arrived. If she's not so certain that this land is her land, then no person shall be permitted to sell, transfer, or herit land to her, and anyone who tries to do so, or issues a mortgage loan to that self-hating treacherous slag will have a lot of time on their hands to rethink their actions."

"Be it resolved that no STD medications may be sold or transferred to Tinder users. In choosing a risky lifestyle they have chosen to amplify the dangers to the rest of the population. Let them suffer the wages of their sins."

What we read there is an extreme as much as its an extreme here the fact that public healthcare collects money from everybody and spends most of it on people responsabile of their conditions.

Both are wrong but apparently when the average citizen is a sheep, moderature and fair measure cant be applied.

 

[7onriverI f]

You don't need to be worried about what your govts are going to do. Rather just pray in secret about your govt leaders to have a change of mind about God (Jesus Christ) and what he did for them and everyone else. There is talk of war between the US and china right now and there is action backing that up in the asian region.

 

[Spaz]

There's pros and cons.

On one hand it keeps the safety and on the other its an invasion of privacy.

I'd rather have my privacy but I do understand China's wish to have such technology.

 

[Blacksheep]

"I have read the report about your patient. The Commissariat considers Mr. Rosenberg's religion to be unacceptably heterodox, and you should know that people who pose such a destabilizing threat to our nation's morals do not deserve everything this hospital has to offer. Dr. Schwarz, I will tell you this only once: Medical care of that level will NOT be allocated to heathens. I do hope that you understand what this means for you if you ever think that your great erudition somehow entitles you to try anything radical."

"Records of Ms. Ragnarson's cellphone use indicate that she has not been spending enough time studying our great nation, and she seemed unreasonably muted while the others cheered as the High King's motorcade arrived. If she's not so certain that this land is her land, then no person shall be permitted to sell, transfer, or herit land to her, and anyone who tries to do so, or issues a mortgage loan to that self-hating treacherous slag will have a lot of time on their hands to rethink their actions."

"Be it resolved that no STD medications may be sold or transferred to Tinder users. In choosing a risky lifestyle they have chosen to amplify the dangers to the rest of the population. Let them suffer the wages of their sins."

That's interesting, where did you get those quotes?

 

[Blacksheep]

You don't need to be worried about what your govts are going to do. Rather just pray in secret about your govt leaders to have a change of mind about God (Jesus Christ) and what he did for them and everyone else. There is talk of war between the US and china right now and there is action backing that up in the asian region.

I've been watching those US and China tension... Idk if it will become a war, but there still a high risk for that. I think China have some big plans in the World and this will create a lot of problems.

 

[Blacksheep]

There's pros and cons.

On one hand it keeps the safety and on the other its an invasion of privacy.

I'd rather have my privacy but I do understand China's wish to have such technology.

Agree.

The thing is how people who have such a power will use that. And as all those crazy stuffs in the World, I'm affraid that won't be on a good way.

It may be the beginning of a weird age.

 

[Chronocidal]

What we read there is an extreme as much as its an extreme here the fact that public healthcare collects money from everybody and spends most of it on people responsabile of their conditions.

Both are wrong but apparently when the average citizen is a sheep, moderature and fair measure cant be applied.

The denial of mortgage purchases was not a hypothetical "extreme" example at all; such is in fact barred from those Chinese with low social-credit scores.

But what I was trying to get at was:
* What can a European government not do? (Or what should it not be able or permitted to do?)
* Is a state's determination of what behaviors are "good" or "bad", and its authority to use force on anyone and everyone, absolute?
* Do you truly want to live in such a society?

That's actually an interesting point though (and actually one quite relevant to my society too, so I'm curious here too): What do you consider to be good ways to make the average citizen not be a sheep?

That's interesting, where did you get those quotes?

They're not quotes at all, as to my knowledge Europeans do not have a Chinese social credit system, nor a Study the Great Nation app. They were parables I invented to ask:
* What should a European government be permitted to forcibly compel or deny?
* What behaviors not specified in civil tort law or criminal statute are "good" or "bad", and how should such be judged, assuming that a government even has such an authority outside such matters of law? (Should it even have such authority outside of such?)

 

[Who Dares Win]

The denial of mortgage purchases was not a hypothetical "extreme" example at all; such is in fact barred from those Chinese with low social-credit scores.
If you have a low social credit score its cause you failed to pay your debts or be productive, if you get a mortgage and fail to pay you undermind the stability of the bank granting it...if enough people does it, well remember 2008?

But what I was trying to get at was:
* What can a European government not do? (Or what should it not be able or permitted to do?)
A euro gov should not be able to force a citizen to withstand the conseguences of other people bad behaviours, which is happening now
* Is a state's determination of what behaviors are "good" or "bad", and its authority to use force on anyone and everyone, absolute?
It clearly needs to be discussed with the population before implementing any kind of measure
* Do you truly want to live in such a society?
No, I dont but I realized that not all europe has the same people of norway or switzerland therefore a system that dries the producers that keep society alive to feed the parasytes that plague it is not sustainable.

That's actually an interesting point though (and actually one quite relevant to my society too, so I'm curious here too): What do you consider to be good ways to make the average citizen not be a sheep?
Mandatory instruction and exams in terms of politics, economics and history and harsh punishments on teacher or journalist who manipulate and spread lies, I spent my youth at school being told that socialism is great cause it helps people yet none of my teachers mentioned the soviet union, cuba or romania.

My answers in bold.

 

[eli77]

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[eli77]

what do you think of this?

 

[7onriverI f]

what do you think of this?

I think doing anything including this is a waste of life unless you believe in God and have a relationship with Jesus Christ.

You can pray for a lambo or a toyota (your choice) in secret which this action in itself will gain rewards in heaven. Getting the lambo or toyota doesn't matter since it's all about having a relationship with Christ and the act of praying in secret gains the reward.

Listening to peoples wants and needs and praying for them again in secret is what people should be doing.

I wouldn't copy what alot of people in churches are doing. They are asking you if they can pray for you. Prayer should be done in secret to gain the reward. These church folks should be listening and finding out what people need and want just in conversation and then praying either on the spot or later without the other person knowing. The whole point of prayer is not to look good but rather to gain a reward in the next life. This can only be done by doing it in secret.