"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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what is up with this situation??

i am happy to say that i am not an AFC in any way, shape or form.

so i've been talking to this girl lately and she is dating this dude. while we're talking and stuff she is telling me about the current guy she's dating and her most recent ex, and all the things they do/did for her.

like: cook for her, do her laundry, etc.

so i'm like "what do you do for them besides sit there and look cute?" she laughs, and says "nothing".

Do i have to become AFC to show up on this girl's radar?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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you want NOTHING to do with this chick, except to fukk her brains out then dump her.

her attitude you can blame on Friends and Fraser, where "men" are ridiculed, weak, clumbsy, groveling, bafoons, who will roll over and die for a chick.

this chick in question will cheat on AFC in due course. e.g. a real man.
 

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what do i have to do to become that "real man" in her eyes?

i mean, im constantly c&f with her...we're always laughing together, i only give her bits and pieces of my time...
 

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Originally posted by golf299
what do i have to do to become that "real man" in her eyes?

i mean, im constantly c&f with her...we're always laughing together, i only give her bits and pieces of my time...
why would you want her? she's a user and on a power trip. or do you just want to fukk her? if it's the latter, keep doing what you're doing with her. very few chicks actually WANT a "nice guy". trampling all over them gets rather boring. so they go out and find rock star boy for a little excitement.

i'll bet that AFC boy in this case is THE MOST BORING dude you know. there you have it, show her some excitement and take no crap from her.
 

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good advice...it shall be followed.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Originally posted by TooColdUlrick
you want NOTHING to do with this chick, except to fukk her brains out then dump her.

her attitude you can blame on Friends and Fraser, where "men" are ridiculed, weak, clumbsy, groveling, bafoons, who will roll over and die for a chick.

this chick in question will cheat on AFC in due course. e.g. a real man.
Don't mawk (sp?) Frasier :mad:
 

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Stop trying to qualify yourself. You are trying to get her to notice you by doing the things that would make her approve of you.

If I were in your shoes, I'd tell this girl that it would turn me off if a girl did nothing for me. Tell her: "If you're gonna be like that, I'm gonna find another girl that will do stuff for me. Relationships are give and take."

Make her want to qualify to you.
 

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If you want to be a man in her eyes, quit wondering what she's thinking. If you were a man, you wouldn't care.

Take her out on a date, kiss her. That is the ultimate goal you're heading towards, right? If she's interested and likes the real man that you say you are, then she won't push you away, and will end up cheating on / breaking up with her AFC boyfriend.

If you're just sitting along waiting for her interest to grow in you to make your move OR waiting for her to make her move, you're wasting time and not really a real man. If you have interest for her, then ask her on a date, kiss her. If she rejects, then she's not interested.

Simple.

The only thing you'd possibly lose is more wasted time on an uninterested girl.
 

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I have found that there are women that will always find a way to complain about you or tell you that you are not good enough. It doesn't mater what kind of guy you are. If you are an AFC she will say that she doesn't like your for it. If you are a DJ she will call you a jerk or a player. It is really a catch 22 with these women. The are just usless selfish F**k dolls. only good for sex.

Use your DJ tools to take what you want from her and that is that.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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