"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Chick im seeing BF just sent me a message on Facebook... HELP!

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OK backstory, meet a chick around feburary who just broke up with her BF, we go out few times here and there but only go as far as makeout. I put my hands down her pants one night in club, escalate all the time we're together so she knows what's up but she always resists and says she only phucks in a relationship. I say meh ok, keep working on her here and there while spinning 3-4 plates.

Meanwhile, her birthday comes around, I decide to take her out and once again all we do is makeout. Next thing i know i get this random facebook message from her BF who i've never meet or had any idea existed saying they are back together and asking if im phucking her or not, begging me to help as he's scared she's cheating on him etc etc.... I ignore message BUT chick is still texting me and wants to hang out still and thinks i have no idea they're together. What do I do? I really don't want to waste my time.... is there any way to bang chick or is she too attached to bf? Girl is 21 BTW loves drama and is probably getting off on the attention from 2 guys fighting over her. She deactivated her facebook so i cant see whats she's doing as well...

I've thought about confronting girl about message? Will that make me look like a puzzy? Should I just ignore her and let the bf drama wear itself out?
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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OK backstory, meet a chick around feburary who just broke up with her BF, we go out few times here and there but only go as far as makeout. I put my hands down her pants one night in club, escalate all the time we're together so she knows what's up but she always resists and says she only phucks in a relationship. I say meh ok, keep working on her here and there while spinning 3-4 plates.

Meanwhile, her birthday comes around, I decide to take her out and once again all we do is makeout. Next thing i know i get this random facebook message from her BF who i've never meet or had any idea existed saying they are back together and asking if im phucking her or not, begging me to help as he's scared she's cheating on him etc etc.... I ignore message BUT chick is still texting me and wants to hang out still and thinks i have no idea they're together. What do I do? I really don't want to waste my time.... is there any way to bang chick or is she too attached to bf? Girl is 21 BTW loves drama and is probably getting off on the attention from 2 guys fighting over her. She deactivated her facebook so i cant see whats she's doing as well...

I've thought about confronting girl about message? Will that make me look like a *****? Should I just ignore her and let the bf drama wear itself out?

You should meet up with the boyfriend and fight him.
Whoever wins the fight will be the most masculine in her eyes,
and to the victor belong the spoils of war!

You can tell how much of a pvssy he is because hes begging you to help him
while you are messing around with his gf? If he was a real man, he would phvck
you up for messing with his gf. Clearly he is not. Sounds like a little pushover/wimp
like Joe45.

Don't knock him out right away. Mess around with him a little,
just keep jabbing in the face/stomach while you continually circle him
and keep flicking the jab.

After a few minutes of this, you should go for the double leg takedown, and can go straight to mount because of his lack of takedown defense or a good guard.

When in the mount, take the high mount and start elbowing him in the face.
Ground and pound the sh1t out of him, and really mess up his face, the key here is to mess up the face to show your dominance over her inferior boyfriend.

If you try this on me though, I would let you take me down and then let you go to mount, however, when you are in the mount, I would quickly pull guard on you and put you in a triangle choke or a kimura.
 

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gspshields2 said:
You should meet up with the boyfriend and fight him.
Whoever wins the fight will be the most masculine in her eyes,
and to the victor belong the spoils of war!

You can tell how much of a pvssy he is because hes begging you to help him
while you are messing around with his gf? If he was a real man, he would phvck
you up for messing with his gf. Clearly he is not. Sounds like a little pushover/wimp
like Joe45.

Don't knock him out right away. Mess around with him a little,
just keep jabbing in the face/stomach while you continually circle him
and keep flicking the jab.

After a few minutes of this, you should go for the double leg takedown, and can go straight to mount because of his lack of takedown defense or a good guard.

When in the mount, take the high mount and start elbowing him in the face.
Ground and pound the sh1t out of him, and really mess up his face, the key here is to mess up the face to show your dominance over her inferior boyfriend.
lol im a lover not a fighter, first off didnt know the bf existed, she's been lying to me, still is. I just want to get laid, dont care either way.
 

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lol im a lover not a fighter, first off didnt know the bf existed, she's been lying to me, still is. I just want to get laid, dont care either way.
It seems my theory about ROID MONSTERS with SIXPACKS phvcking other people's GF is correct, and I was laughed at previously.

Is this you by any chance?

http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=41362958

Are you from Jersey Shore?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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this is watt you should dooo!!

dissapear go ghost!! dont be to desperate for puzzy specially if you havent hit it since feb thats ridiculious..

stop talking to the bish, block her bf on fb, and when she activates her fb back block her ass too,

delete her number etc, bish is history..
 

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Jair213 said:
this is watt you should dooo!!

dissapear go ghost!! dont be to desperate for puzzy specially if you havent hit it since feb thats ridiculious..

stop talking to the bish, block her bf on fb, and when she activates her fb back block her ass too,

delete her number etc, bish is history..
Thats what i've been thinking too... she's held off her ***** like its some magic thing meanwhile she gets back with her ex? Meh.
 

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Thats what i've been thinking too... she's held off her ***** like its some magic thing meanwhile she gets back with her ex? Meh.
do it.

that'll have her ass thinking wtf happen she will go nuts
 

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Thats what i've been thinking too... she's held off her ***** like its some magic thing meanwhile she gets back with her ex? Meh.
If she only fvcks while in a relationship, maybe she got horny :)
 

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Drop her like a bad habit.

Not worth the time/effort.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Its that sick chick logic where its not cheating unless you vaginally penetrate.
yup she knows anytime me meet im sticking my tongue down her mouth so she knows i want her puzzy yet she now back with ther ex and still wants to hang out? Hmmmm..... maybe she is monkey branching over to me?
 

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gspshields2 said:
You should meet up with the boyfriend and fight him.
Whoever wins the fight will be the most masculine in her eyes,
and to the victor belong the spoils of war!

You can tell how much of a pvssy he is because hes begging you to help him
while you are messing around with his gf? If he was a real man, he would phvck
you up for messing with his gf. Clearly he is not. Sounds like a little pushover/wimp
like Joe45.

Don't knock him out right away. Mess around with him a little,
just keep jabbing in the face/stomach while you continually circle him
and keep flicking the jab.

After a few minutes of this, you should go for the double leg takedown, and can go straight to mount because of his lack of takedown defense or a good guard.

When in the mount, take the high mount and start elbowing him in the face.
Ground and pound the sh1t out of him, and really mess up his face, the key here is to mess up the face to show your dominance over her inferior boyfriend.

If you try this on me though, I would let you take me down and then let you go to mount, however, when you are in the mount, I would quickly pull guard on you and put you in a triangle choke or a kimura.
Ignore what he said.

Women are supposed to be a good, healthy, and fun addition to your life, not drama. Once a woman because more headache than pleasure, you drop her. Next her and tell her to come back to you when she's single.
 

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Shes just an attention wh0re leave her alone. Usually i wouldnt say this but im starting to think unselfishly. Put yourself in this guy's shoes. Your girlfriend is always hanging out wih some next guy, how would you feel if you found out shes messing with some next dude.

You wouldnt want that. You got 3-4 plates spinning. Drop this one plate and go get another one even better looking. It shouldnt be such a hassle or problem to drop her, assuming your not desperate and you dont take a pvssy that serious in life.

But at the end of the day its really want you wanna do bro...so do you.
 

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Every time I visit this forum, I wonder why the hell posts like this exist. Do any of you actually think about what you say / what's going on in your heads before getting into this kind of ****? This girl is playing you and her BF hardcore; setting you up to be in the positions she wants you to be in, so that she can reap all the benefits, and keep her crazy drama going. She's immature and retarded. Possibly controlling, as well. You already tried to hit it; now you're just asking to get sucked into this crazy mess. This is how crazy people act.

You keep your distance, flirt, have sex if you're both in the mood... That's it. Typically if you do social things together, this works well. Maybe you'll meet at a party, or a club, and have sex. You don't get invested in any way, or play these crap games. She's not worth analyzing like this. No dates, trying to escalate gradually, and that crap. She probably gave you the block so that she can lure you into a relationship (or whatever she considers it), and keep the crazy train going. Crazy people love to involve other people into their drama and chaos, 'cause they're crazy. Drama and trouble follows them wherever they go. You said she loves drama, so there you go.

It sounds like she's playing games more than anything. Trying to lure you into a relationship, even though she's secretly with someone else. If you oblidged, she'd probably start blowing you off and playing more retarded games.
 

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Poison the well then drop her.

Explain to the boyfriend what she has been doing, explain that she told you she was broken up and wanted you, and that she was planning to get back together with him, yet still wanted you on the side. You don't want the girl, he can have her. Just stop contacting you and wasting your time with drama. He can have it all.

Embelish the details to make her more of a wh0re. Why? So you can teach her a lesson about loyalty and what happens when you jerk people around.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Alle_Gory said:
Poison the well then drop her.

Explain to the boyfriend what she has been doing, explain that she told you she was broken up and wanted you, and that she was planning to get back together with him, yet still wanted you on the side. You don't want the girl, he can have her. Just stop contacting you and wasting your time with drama. He can have it all.

Embelish the details to make her more of a wh0re. Why? So you can teach her a lesson about loyalty and what happens when you jerk people around.
reallly? that will most likely drive her into him more, knowing how maniupulative she is shell deny it and call me crazy etc to him and I wont get me laid. I get she's a manipulative *** dumpster but why cant i get me **** wet in the process? She's HOT btw solid 9/10. I would NEVER seriously date her mind you now that i see how bat chit crazy she is.
 

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reallly? that will most likely drive her into him more, knowing how maniupulative she is shell deny it and call me crazy etc to him and I wont get me laid. I get she's a manipulative *** dumpster but why cant i get me **** wet in the process? She's HOT btw solid 9/10. I would NEVER seriously date her mind you now that i see how bat chit crazy she is.
in for pics lol

just do watt i told u man.. she aint worth shhiiitt
 

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Ok OP so u met this girl in february and still haven't fvcked her or gotten a bj? If I were u even without the pvssy b1tch bf calling me crying about his wh0re gf I would have split a long time ago. I learned long ago the hard way that waiting around for 9's to bang u just isn't worth the trouble. I would keep very limited contact with her she's just trouble, and if she gets into a fight with her bf you'll be there to bang her, but if I were u I would focus my efforts on the other girls you're seeing. Girls like this, ESPECIALLY when they're 9's, just aren't worth the hassle and potential problems.
i feel you it was mistake on my part to be giving her ANY attention having not gotten any sex at this point but i was busy with other girls and didnt think too much of it figured she'd be ready soon enough. I agree about focusing efforts on others let her come to me. Might be best plan of attack. she's 21 no way she's going to be in this "relationship" much longer... itll fall through again then if she comes to me ill get my **** wet.
 

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ThePawnertor said:
reallly? that will most likely drive her into him more, knowing how maniupulative she is shell deny it and call me crazy etc to him and I wont get me laid. I get she's a manipulative *** dumpster but why cant i get me **** wet in the process? She's HOT btw solid 9/10. I would NEVER seriously date her mind you now that i see how bat chit crazy she is.
You just answered your own question. She's hot, manipulative, and crazy. This doesn't mean easy / free sex - it means mind**** supreme. Just by what you say explains it all. You can't understand why its so difficult - because she's a tease and a player. There's a lot of gorgeous women like this, and you're making it a big hassle. You can't figure it / her out. Guess what? Neither can everyone else shes playing and manipulating. This is their game, and how they operate. Almost guaranteed that she's spoiled, narcissistic, entitled, etc, as well.

Just wasting time trying to hit it. The more you want it - the more power she has - the longer she'll use it to her advantage to keep you around. Saying no sex without relationship is a form of power play for these types. Don't compromise, wait, or assume you're making progress. Chances are, you'll just keep going around in circles.

You're already getting sucked into the challenge. Stop. Revert. Wrong way. Danger ahead. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
 

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You just answered your own question. She's hot, manipulative, and crazy. This doesn't mean easy / free sex - it means mind**** supreme. Just by what you say explains it all. You can't understand why its so difficult - because she's a tease and a player. There's a lot of gorgeous women like this, and you're making it a big hassle. You can't figure it / her out. Guess what? Neither can everyone else shes playing and manipulating. This is their game, and how they operate. Almost guaranteed that she's spoiled, narcissistic, entitled, etc, as well.

Just wasting time trying to hit it. The more you want it - the more power she has - the longer she'll use it to her advantage to keep you around. Saying no sex without relationship is a form of power play for these types. Don't compromise, wait, or assume you're making progress. Chances are, you'll just keep going around in circles.

You're already getting sucked into the challenge. Stop. Revert. Wrong way. Danger ahead. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
you're sooo right bro, not sure how i feel for the trap i'm usually sex by 3-4 dates MAX and nexting them for some reason she really had me thinking for second she might be "different" what a fool haha
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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