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This article appeared in an Australian newspaper. What do you think of the judge's reasoning behind this?
He says that the man was only able to earn as much money as he did because his estranged wife was looking after the kids by herself without him.
Therefore, she is entitled to a share of his post-separation windfall. WTF????

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...l&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=76222527


AN Australian housewife has won the lion's share of a multi-million-dollar fortune in a divorce case set to shine the light on post-separation contributions to a property pool.

In an extraordinary decision, the mother-of-three has been awarded more than $2 million, including a share of post-separation funds, despite a legal finding she made no contribution to her ex-husband's earning capacity after the split.

The ruling by Federal Circuit Court Judge Tom Altobelli gives her a 70 per cent share of the property pool before the separation and 25 per cent of more than $1 million in assets her ex-husband acquired after taking a lucrative overseas job after they separated in 2010.

"It was the husband's earning capacity that created the post-separation wealth,'' Judge Altobelli said. "His earning capacity, however, is not an asset to which she has contributed.

"An interesting feature of this case is that about one-third of the assets available to (the warring couple) for distribution were accumulated by the husband alone, in a relatively short period after separation when he was able to take advantage of lucrative tax-free employment in (another country).

"By any definition, the husband enjoyed a comfortable, if not luxurious lifestyle (overseas). He earned so much that he was able to accumulate about $1 million in assets. His employment benefits included not just a tax-free income, but allowances for club memberships, motor vehicles, accommodation, travel and even a mobile telephone. By contrast ... the wife was responsible for the care of the children.''

Judge Altobelli said his decision to give the ex-wife 25 per cent of the post-separation property pool was recognition that the ex-husband was "at least in part'' only able to make a greater financial contribution because he was "freed of the caring responsibilities'' of their children.

According to the judgment, the couple were married in 1991 and now have three boys, aged in their teens, who are all described as "high achievers''.

Judge Altobelli said it was "relatively uncontentious'' that they had "equal' to "near equal'' assets when they met.

The ex-wife had accused her ex-husband of having a major gambling problem as part of her property settlement claim. However, Judge Altobelli found the ex-husband's evidence over his gambling so "evasive'' and "opaque'' that he could not make any findings about it.

He awarded the ex-wife an extra 5 per cent of the pool because of the ex-husband's nondisclosure of his finances.

She secured their Australian houses, cars, 430,000 frequent flyer points and more than $3000 in maintenance a month, leaving $1.3 million for the ex-husband, which included an overseas property, cash and superannuation.

"He is left with assets ... where the court is not satisfied he has provided proper disclosure of his financial affairs, where he earns a substantial income and where his conditions of employment give him the opportunity to save significant sums of money quickly,'' the judge said.
 

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Greasy Pig said:
"By any definition, the husband enjoyed a comfortable, if not luxurious lifestyle (overseas). He earned so much that he was able to accumulate about $1 million in assets. His employment benefits included not just a tax-free income, but allowances for club memberships, motor vehicles, accommodation, travel and even a mobile telephone. By contrast ... the wife was responsible for the care of the children.''

Judge Altobelli said his decision to give the ex-wife 25 per cent of the post-separation property pool was recognition that the ex-husband was "at least in part'' only able to make a greater financial contribution because he was "freed of the caring responsibilities'' of their children.
Kids change things. I hate the divorce settlements as much as anyone, but there's no easy way to deal with kids. I wouldn't expect anyone to understand this until they have their own.
 

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Danger said:
They change things, however that does not mean his future earnings should be so punitively taken.

This is what child support payments do. The problem is, she gets all of the money, but he gets little time with the children if at all.

When she wins custody, she gets the pros and cons of the arrangement. As he also does.

To come back and attack him for actually getting the benefit of said pros for not having custody, is complete and utter bull$hit. She gets the pros of child support and the children themselves. But now she also gets additional financial benefit of his NOT having the children.

That is utterly ridiculous.
I get it, but as I get older, I'm definitely moving towards holding US, the MEN, more accountable for actually marrying a stupid b*tch, THEN having kids with her. I refuse to acknowledge that there were no red flags or warning signs with this broad. And if there wasn't, and HE f*cked up by gambling or whatever, that's his fault.

You want to be a man, get married and have a family? Well act like it. Do it right. I mean, I did this correctly, and if I can, anybody can. It definitely takes nuts though, of which apparently there is a shortage nowadays.

I'll defend men in the divorce proceedings, alimony and stupid crap like that. But I have a different view with the kids, we're talking about little, innocent lives that could be ruined and the people that have them should be held accountable for them. The kids damn near should supercede the parents' 'happiness', so they don't grow up as criminals wreaking havoc on the rest of us.
 

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Danger said:
The problem is that we only punish ignorant men. Women can make stupid decisions and the male still gets punished in family court.

Saying men should know better is to actually turn a blind eye to the raging hypocrisy and misandry prevalent today in our society. It does not justify an @ss-raping for the crime of having a penis.
I guess I disagree on what constitutes this, when children are involved. I'm not turning a blind eye, believe me, my eyes are wide open to this issue.
 

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Danger said:
This tends to be the problem with society today.

Society is filled with terrorists holding up children as figurative shields.

Don't support Obamacare? You hate babies.
Don't support gun-ban? You hate babies.
Don't support the education system? You hate babies.
Don't support entitlements? You hate babies.
Don't support misandric family court? You hate babies.


If you ever want to pass legislation in this country, rally behind "protecting the children".

I am all for helping the children, but I question the accuracy of "help" when it comes to

  1. Removing fathers from the lives of their children.
  2. Not enforcing "child support" is actually spent on his children.
  3. Ensuring only that money goes to the mother, and not ensuring visitation is allowed.
  4. Granting extra money beyond child support in the name of "the children".
  5. Granting custody immediately based upon the gender of the parent.
  6. Making it about "the babies" with the sole exception being if the woman wants an abortion (and this is the ONLY exception).

Every single element of legislation out there that you see which has claims based on "for the children", you can bet has another facet that either benefits women more, or benefits the State in gaining more power over it's citizens.
You are right on, and I cannot argue any of that. I have kids of my own now, and I see how utterly helpless they are without me, so that's where the soft spot comes into play. But I also think we're getting into political correctness from your post, and just plain entitlement. There is a big difference in myself, morally, wanting children to be raised properly and liberal nonsense pushed over for an agenda (which I still haven't figured out their agenda). I don't want to go that direction at all. Personally, I've actually changed my stance on divorce when kids are involved....I think you need to stay together until the kids are 18. Then you don't have the family court issue at all, and the kids have a fighting chance of not being criminals. It's an endless battle though, and you can say, "well so and so should have done this in hindsight" 500 times.

Great point. I think the difference in me and the societal terrorists is that I actually CARE about saving the kids. And this problem lies with parents, not the government.
 

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speed dawg, kids of divorced parents have the same chance as kids of intact families if the father has full custody (like it used to be) instead of the mother.
 

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speed dawg said:
I get it, but as I get older, I'm definitely moving towards holding US, the MEN, more accountable for actually marrying a stupid b*tch, THEN having kids with her. I refuse to acknowledge that there were no red flags or warning signs with this broad. And if there wasn't, and HE f*cked up by gambling or whatever, that's his fault.
Absolutely. When you enter into a contract, you go in eyes wide open, all contingency's prepared for, or you suffer the consequences.

Bottom line is that men are behind the curve as marriage contracts become more favorable to the woman.

It's one thing to live in the 1800's (or even the 1950's) and simply ASSUME that once your'e married, she'll be your obedient wife for life, regardless.

But these days, there's absolutely no excuse.

You better believe that 99% of married women are already scheming about what to do "just in case,"

It's time men wake up and do the same.
 

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Dear GP,
Absolutely agree with the last two Posters,the Mantra we should preach is...Never get Married unless you want Children,and that should also apply to letting them shack up with you,although economic considerations may impact on this...I would further add,if you feel uneasy about tying the knot then postpone or if necessary walk away from it all,whatever the cost!
 
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