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I had a discussion the other day with a very close female friend of mine on virginity. I posted on this topic earlier this summer, and I've found myself having to explain what exactly I find so appealing in a virgin female. I thought it was self-explanatory, but the rationalization hamster running on his eternal wheel is strong.
My current girlfriend had no partners before me. I've told a few friends, and to my surprise was met with more mire than merit. So during one of our regular gchat sessions, my female friend asked me to articulate to her what exactly made this virgin girl so much more valuable than the other girls I have dated. Sensing a dead-end debate ending in hurt feelings, I tried to choose my words carefully so that the friendship could be preserved but the factual truth remained delivered.
In essence I told her that to a Man, there is inherent value in a female who has never been had. She is not only biologically sound (no question of cuckoldry or false parentage, no risk of STI's), but emotionally there is little to no baggage stemming from past relationships. There has never been a cohabitation, which predicts marital dissolution, and there are no mental comparisons or longings for the buffet of other men's sperm she frequented in college. There is also emotional ownership. Virgins have a demonstrated higher propensity for bonding than their more phallic-experienced counterparts. They are more likely to be sexually loyal. In effect, she is a blank slate from an emotional and sexual point of view. There is no dilution of her physical femininity.
Her response was actually predictable, being that she has had, I would estimate, around 15 partners herself (I have known her for 8 years). In detailing the positives of youth and virginity I was indirectly diminishing her own sexual marketplace value. I got the pat responses: "why would you want someone so inexperienced" (that's the point), "she's going to go crazy and cheat on you now that you've awakened her sexual desire" (appealing to fear as a red herring against real value), "you are putting her on a pedestal because she is a virgin" (a valid point, but there is a difference between designating superior value in a market and outright pedestalization).
The conversation then turned to her own insecurities: "You are basically describing real love and devotion, non-virgins are capable of that" (debatable, but less likely with increasing partner count), "I wonder what I would be/feel like if I had saved myself" (transl: I kinda wish I had saved myself), "I cant imagine what it would be like to be this age and still a virgin" (resignation and a valid point of the possibility of some neurosis at more advanced ages of chastity).
This is not meant to belittle or highlight anything negative about my friend. Her sexual past has zero bearing on our friendship. It does, however have a bearing on her SMV, although not to the point she couldn't find a good man. This is more a function of age and beauty than anything else. She is a great girl, and I of all people am no one to judge based on past indiscretions. But that doesn't mean I cant select those with none
All in all it was an enlightening discussion on how age, beauty, and sexual purity are the principal factors in a woman's SMV and her ability to garner a high value, dominant, dare I say more alpha male. Of course, alpha/beta is a very relative spectrum, but all women have the innate desire to hypergamize.
Women are ACUTELY aware of their depreciating assets, even if not in a conscious, cognitive sense. It is a primary source of social shaming, and lesser males (AFCs and common blue-pillers) fall into mating with lesser females (the ego-centric, quasi-feminist, common western ore), making awareness of this phenomenon critical for the red pill man in mate selection. First, augment your own value and acquire skills, currency, and experience. Second, utilize your higher bargaining power to select younger, more beautiful, feminine and submissive females. Leave the rest for the herbs.
My current girlfriend had no partners before me. I've told a few friends, and to my surprise was met with more mire than merit. So during one of our regular gchat sessions, my female friend asked me to articulate to her what exactly made this virgin girl so much more valuable than the other girls I have dated. Sensing a dead-end debate ending in hurt feelings, I tried to choose my words carefully so that the friendship could be preserved but the factual truth remained delivered.
In essence I told her that to a Man, there is inherent value in a female who has never been had. She is not only biologically sound (no question of cuckoldry or false parentage, no risk of STI's), but emotionally there is little to no baggage stemming from past relationships. There has never been a cohabitation, which predicts marital dissolution, and there are no mental comparisons or longings for the buffet of other men's sperm she frequented in college. There is also emotional ownership. Virgins have a demonstrated higher propensity for bonding than their more phallic-experienced counterparts. They are more likely to be sexually loyal. In effect, she is a blank slate from an emotional and sexual point of view. There is no dilution of her physical femininity.
Her response was actually predictable, being that she has had, I would estimate, around 15 partners herself (I have known her for 8 years). In detailing the positives of youth and virginity I was indirectly diminishing her own sexual marketplace value. I got the pat responses: "why would you want someone so inexperienced" (that's the point), "she's going to go crazy and cheat on you now that you've awakened her sexual desire" (appealing to fear as a red herring against real value), "you are putting her on a pedestal because she is a virgin" (a valid point, but there is a difference between designating superior value in a market and outright pedestalization).
The conversation then turned to her own insecurities: "You are basically describing real love and devotion, non-virgins are capable of that" (debatable, but less likely with increasing partner count), "I wonder what I would be/feel like if I had saved myself" (transl: I kinda wish I had saved myself), "I cant imagine what it would be like to be this age and still a virgin" (resignation and a valid point of the possibility of some neurosis at more advanced ages of chastity).
This is not meant to belittle or highlight anything negative about my friend. Her sexual past has zero bearing on our friendship. It does, however have a bearing on her SMV, although not to the point she couldn't find a good man. This is more a function of age and beauty than anything else. She is a great girl, and I of all people am no one to judge based on past indiscretions. But that doesn't mean I cant select those with none
All in all it was an enlightening discussion on how age, beauty, and sexual purity are the principal factors in a woman's SMV and her ability to garner a high value, dominant, dare I say more alpha male. Of course, alpha/beta is a very relative spectrum, but all women have the innate desire to hypergamize.
Women are ACUTELY aware of their depreciating assets, even if not in a conscious, cognitive sense. It is a primary source of social shaming, and lesser males (AFCs and common blue-pillers) fall into mating with lesser females (the ego-centric, quasi-feminist, common western ore), making awareness of this phenomenon critical for the red pill man in mate selection. First, augment your own value and acquire skills, currency, and experience. Second, utilize your higher bargaining power to select younger, more beautiful, feminine and submissive females. Leave the rest for the herbs.
