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Challenging POF date last night

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I met this chick off POF we were supposed to meet outside near a cafe but it was raining really badly so she texted and said let's change the date...i said you you read my mind...and then mentioned i have a good flick for rainy days...she agreed to come straight to my place...

Now, let me start by saying i have no respect for online girls...i just don't for whatever reason..i just don't consider them to be a challenge usually..

This girl arrives and she looks much better than her pics which is usually the opposite of the truth..her pics make her look like a HB7...but she gets here and she is easily a HB8...so i was surprised..

But i think it would have actually gone better had we met for a drink or 2 first...because my apartment is so small there is only the bed and one chair...so her b*tch shield was up when she first got here and she sat on the chair... about 3 feet away from my bed...this has happened to me before with these instant apartment dates...but i am always up for a good challenge...

I immediately tried breaking her down during the movie but she was difficult and persistent in her saying no...no to cuddling...no thumb wrestling...blah blah and said she just didn't have the feeling yet...a true challenge and i have to say it really turned me on...her hotness meter was rising by the minute...

So I opted for some good convo instead realizing i need to ignite something in her first through talking and to find some ind of common ground with her...we started talking about life insurance sales which is her part time profession...i used to do it and basically i told her how she was not going about it the right way and told her some funny stories from my insurance selling days...i negged her quite a bit...but not in a mean way...although i did mock her a few times...but more in a playful silly way...i can't help it..i don't respect what comes out of most women's mouths and treat them like sex toys or try to at least...

She seemed to be warming up a little and her body language was improving so i started playing footsie with her feet..yeah it sounds gay, but i needed to escalate before the movie was going to end somehow and she was sitting far away...well out of reach...she said no but this time wasn't quite as resilent....i then started asking her about where she liked to be kissed on her body and stuff like that and she started opening up about it and was receptive when previously she would have said no...

So anyways the movie ends and she stands up and says thank you so much for the movie and goes to get her bag (already midnight at this point)...so i grabbed her and pulled her face for a kiss and she turned so i started slowly kissing her cheek and neck and pulled her face and gave her a long kiss on the lips holding her tight...she turned again after about 30 seconds and i started kissing her face again and then kissed her lips and she seemed receptive but wouldn't open her mouth just a little...i then picked her up and threw her on my bed...she started laughing and said she needed to go before she made me uncomfortable...i said that's impossible i am always comfortable...but at this point she was headed toward the door and motioned for me to walk with her...head her hand briefly while walking and she was receptive....then i gave her another kiss on her lips when she got to her scooter...but i had to turn her to me again...we previously talked about doing something this coming Sunday and she said she will let me know on Saturday which is pretty lame...and comes off as low interest...i am usually the one saying i will let you know...

So guys, what do you think about this? She is a bit of a mystery to me at this point. But i feel like i just need one more date and i will be banging her. I am still surprised at a POF girl being so challenging.
 

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Yeah, so you think there is no interest? It would seem that way...but she did put her arms around me at one point when i kissed her....and we briefly held hands on the way out...so i am not completely sure...any other thoughts are welcome. I haven't had this big of a challenge with a date in a while.
 

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Yeah, little to no interest. I've had practically dozens of in-house POF movie first dates where the girls have acted aloof exactly like you described.

I've also had plenty with lots of interest and we were exchanging bodily fluids by the end of the movie or night!

If she was diggin' you I really feel like:

a) she would have been more receptive to your physical advances
b) kissed you back, been cuddling by the end of the movie, played thumb wrestling, footsie, etc
c) wouldn't have made a beeline for the door after the movie ended (exactly what I do when I'm not interested)
d) you would have felt the connection and wouldn't feel the need to come on here for advice

You may have come on too strong, too fast, but I doubt it. If a girl comes over for a late night movie on the first date, you know she's at least entertaining the possibility of having sex. Shoot her a text in a day or two and see how she responds, then you'll have your answer. I'll bet you $10 right now that she doesn't respond though.
 
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Yeah, the stig is right. She just wasnt in to you bro.

General rule of thumb = Confused by her => not interested.

Dont take it to heart, just NEXT. :up:


EDIT: Just a thought. If you want the girl to sit on the bed (for obvious reasons);) put something big on the chair, then she has no choice. :D
 

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Yeah, minor blow to the ego..oh well...I see no point in texting her..if there was any interest she will come to me..but after looking at it objectively doubt it will happen.
 
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zinc4 said:
I met this chick off POF we were supposed to meet outside near a cafe but it was raining really badly so she texted and said let's change the date...i said you you read my mind...and then mentioned i have a good flick for rainy days...she agreed to come straight to my place...

Now, let me start by saying i have no respect for online girls...i just don't for whatever reason..i just don't consider them to be a challenge usually..

This girl arrives and she looks much better than her pics which is usually the opposite of the truth..her pics make her look like a HB7...but she gets here and she is easily a HB8...so i was surprised..

But i think it would have actually gone better had we met for a drink or 2 first...because my apartment is so small there is only the bed and one chair...so her b*tch shield was up when she first got here and she sat on the chair... about 3 feet away from my bed...this has happened to me before with these instant apartment dates...but i am always up for a good challenge...

I immediately tried breaking her down during the movie but she was difficult and persistent in her saying no...no to cuddling...no thumb wrestling...blah blah and said she just didn't have the feeling yet...a true challenge and i have to say it really turned me on...her hotness meter was rising by the minute...

So I opted for some good convo instead realizing i need to ignite something in her first through talking and to find some ind of common ground with her...we started talking about life insurance sales which is her part time profession...i used to do it and basically i told her how she was not going about it the right way and told her some funny stories from my insurance selling days...i negged her quite a bit...but not in a mean way...although i did mock her a few times...but more in a playful silly way...i can't help it..i don't respect what comes out of most women's mouths and treat them like sex toys or try to at least...

She seemed to be warming up a little and her body language was improving so i started playing footsie with her feet..yeah it sounds gay, but i needed to escalate before the movie was going to end somehow and she was sitting far away...well out of reach...she said no but this time wasn't quite as resilent....i then started asking her about where she liked to be kissed on her body and stuff like that and she started opening up about it and was receptive when previously she would have said no...

So anyways the movie ends and she stands up and says thank you so much for the movie and goes to get her bag (already midnight at this point)...so i grabbed her and pulled her face for a kiss and she turned so i started slowly kissing her cheek and neck and pulled her face and gave her a long kiss on the lips holding her tight...she turned again after about 30 seconds and i started kissing her face again and then kissed her lips and she seemed receptive but wouldn't open her mouth just a little...i then picked her up and threw her on my bed...she started laughing and said she needed to go before she made me uncomfortable...i said that's impossible i am always comfortable...but at this point she was headed toward the door and motioned for me to walk with her...head her hand briefly while walking and she was receptive....then i gave her another kiss on her lips when she got to her scooter...but i had to turn her to me again...we previously talked about doing something this coming Sunday and she said she will let me know on Saturday which is pretty lame...and comes off as low interest...i am usually the one saying i will let you know...

So guys, what do you think about this? She is a bit of a mystery to me at this point. But i feel like i just need one more date and i will be banging her. I am still surprised at a POF girl being so challenging.
At least you got a reply in the first place, her number, a meet, and tried to escalate. Most dudes don't get that far or any of that period.

Did you ever wind up having drinks at your place or just watch a movie?

The chick if good looking may have just gotten out of a relationship and is just testing the waters, or she could be playing the "dominant" role (resists doing anything) to have you asking her out again for an ego boost knowing you wanted her. She obviously has a full inbox and other dates lined up and is looking for the BBD or till her ex (if she has one around) comes back to her after she gives off the "I'm dating several guys who want me aura" to him.

She also might've not been "impressed" by your apartment. Or she could be playing hard to get in her own way just to see if you chase her just for the sake of it. Who knows.

You don't know. We don't know you or her.

Only thing you can do IF you want is possibly take her on an action date (IF it's something you want to do regardless. Like try some indoor rock climbing.) Then go for drinks and back to your place. Or just go for drinks and back to your place.

Again that's only if you REALLY feel like going for it one more time.

You have two options.

Text or call her and setup a meet and she doesn't reply = you delete her number then and there.(Don't wait more than a few days or she might get distracted with some other dude if she hasn't already.)

Or just delete her number and go for another chick.

If she does meet up with you again try to play it cool but use sexual innuendo at times and see if she pushes it or ignores it and decide if you want to see her again off that. You already know chicks online aren't worth it anyway..

There's no sense in wasting time with one chick online when there are plenty more there and in real life.

You pretty much did what you were supposed to do. If it isn't you don't worry about it. The chick wil be getting banged by other dudes online. (Think about it. She's obviously experienced with going to strange dudes places as she didn't know you and came over.) Don't believe the act. You simply move on.
 

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She's just not that into you. Simply put. Even women on POF can be challenging. Look how many guys are online going for them!

Delete her number and go for another girl, she already got another man.

BTW, mixed signals means little to no interest.

Case closed. Exit stage left.
 

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Zinc4, I think you did a solid job with what you had!

Tough call on this one. I would say to wait a few days and set up a date. You have nothing to lose and a hot lay to gain. Maybe she's just a hard-core ISTJ personality type and doesn't give in easily. I dated a girl like that once. She would not even kiss on the first date. In fact, she wanted me to ask permission! (I didn't ask of course, but that girl is a long story.)

Naughty Ninja mentioned an action date. That's an excellent idea. Take her rock climbing (credit to Ninja), bowling, go-kart racing, to a motocross show (Arenacross - lots of crashes), a concert or just hiking. Something involving alcohol and action, preferably.

Clearly she likes what she saw of you to at least show up at your front door and she did start to get receptive. I think alcohol and more time would be in your favor. Two hours to slay a girl is tough, certainly.

Godspeed, man!
 
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