"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Topic: When to cut your losses and be friends.
Background: Known Girl for about a month and a half, hung out 5 times
Experience: Have tickled, wrestled, made out 3 times on one occasion, gone to sporting events-squirt gun fight
Her View: He's my gay best friend
Circumstance: Biting her in her bed, massaging her, and her refusing to make out with me followed up by the gay best friend comment.

Irony: Travels 250 miles to see her ex bf one last time to make a porno and tells me, 2 days after I'm licking her down to her pants.



You wouldn't believe me if I told you what I am about to tell you in person.

I got in her bed, got her top off, massaging her...probably too much- even her ass through her jeans. I was biting and licking her with her pants on. She wouldn't make out with me, and I even think that her bf was out of the picture then. She called me her gay best friend-once again reiterating the friends picture.

Two days later on the weekend she tells me shes driving 250 miles to see her ex bf and make a porno movie with him before he goes off back to college. LOL

She's a junior and I think has some issues. But I feel like captain save a ho-and she screws lots of guys but I still feel for her-if not sexually just as a friend.

Do you think by exercising with her and demonstrating real concern and helping her that might get me out of the friends zone? She says other guys just try to get in her pants too...and she didnt want that with me. lol
She obviously wants the bad boys she can't have. Any ideas? I've got other girls lined up maybe I should just be friends with a wild child like this and preserve my own sanity?

She tells me she wants to start exercising and studying with me. Is my strategy to milk that until she repeatedly sees im in it for more than quick ass? And just get in her head about all these other guys?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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lol, dude, the "i see you as a friend" is bad enough. That's REAL Bad.

the " I see you as a Gay best friend" is the equivalent to the room turning dark, Shau Kahn screams "Finish him!" in the background and Kano appears from nowhere only to rip your heart out of it your chest to take a bit out of it.
 

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You have to be scarce now... be busy... but don't look like you are doing it to spite her.. but seriously you need to find easier pu$$y... its all about cost benefit since you've gone this far, its time to cut your losses.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Destiny17 said:
Two days later on the weekend she tells me shes driving 250 miles to see her ex bf and make a porno movie with him before he goes off back to college.
She wants to be treated like a dirty s1ut, treat her that way.
Do you think by exercising with her and demonstrating real concern and helping her that might get me out of the friends zone?
By "demonstrating real concern" and "helping her", you are acting like one of her girlfriends. Tell her to find a girlfriend to cry with.

You need to drop this bltch with the quickness.
 

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You're no Cap'n-Save-Ho - that would imply you're expecting sex in return for solving her problems (i.e. a Savior Schema). You are however, her surrogate boyfriend; all the responsibilities and emotional expectations of a BF with a mutual understanding that that sex will never be reciprocated for it. You meet her emotional needs and the LDR boyfriend takes care of her sexual needs (among which I might add is a need to make amatuer porn with him,..heh). So, you take care of her head and he'll take care of her twhat, sound like a good deal for you?

Remember, women have boyfriends and girlfriends. If you're not fukking her, you're her girlfriend.
 

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lol, dude, the "i see you as a friend" is bad enough. That's REAL Bad.

the " I see you as a Gay best friend" is the equivalent to the room turning dark, Shau Kahn screams "Finish him!" in the background and Kano appears from nowhere only to rip your heart out of it your chest to take a bit out of it.
LMAO :crackup:
 

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wait a squirt gun fight is now considered a sporting event?
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
So, you take care of her head and he'll take care of her twhat, sound like a good deal for you?
That is exectly what happened to this chick "friend" I was seeing prior to finding sosuave. In her case she broke up with her boyfriend after a year and was crying at the mere mentioned of his name for 6 whole months!!! in all this time I was there for her, took her out when she felt upset, developed oneitis for her and tried to put my moves on her. She would let me suck her t1ts and rub her twhat(outside her pants) but each time I tried to get in she bulked. Finally she ends up cheating on me and fvcking with some guy she met less then a week (even though she said that I don't have to worry about other guys). When she told me about it after lying to me for 3 weeks, i finally told her that I can't be her friend to which she calmly replied "I respect your decision". I didn't even get one fvcking tear from an emotional girl that claimed she cared about me and apperciated me being there for her.

So as you can see it is not worth it for you to hang in there and hope for sex especially after she clearly labeled you "a gay friend". You should have told her right there " I ain't gay" and walked the fvck out of her life because she will eventually find someone else to do the fvcking. The more you hang in there the worst it will be for you.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Why do you want to exercise with her? Does she think she's fat? Do you and her go shopping together? You sound like a homosexual.
 

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come to think of it now, "squirtgun fight"?

What are you like, 12?
 

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petting is so jr highish. now that I think about it, if I had a female friend who I went shopping with all the time, who I gave backrups and tickled all the time, and had squirtgun fights, whatever that is, it just sounds fruity, I would think I was gay too.
 

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yeah thanks guys- **** that ****. I'm the man, not her. I don't even feel like wasting my time. Funny tho, cause another guy said that he screwed a biopolar chick and she would not have sex with anyone else after-

This girl last night told me all about sex with her boyfriend-all the positions-i mean the photos and how good they look-all this kinky ****-i asked her if she wet the bed lmao. I really don't know where to draw the line. She brings up this sexual stuff, she gets stiff nipples around me, it sounds like she's just got a limiting belief/impression that i am no more than a friend. I guess staying busy is the answer and to avoid coming on to her
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Ouch. You went from thinking you're getting some poonani to "I think you're gay, now excuse me while I go make a porno with my ex-boyfriend".

hahaha
 

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I have never laughed so hard in my life.."Captain Save A Ho"..Dayum..

For the young and inexperienced, this ain't the 1950's. Petting? Dry humping? If a girl ain't ready to do the dayum thing with you, NEXT!! Too many other fish out there that are more than willing to get with the program.
 

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Thanks for the humor guys-can always count on you-now it's off to the races.
She's a fat tease-telling me she orgasmed and had sex for 6 hours. I was a little indifferent lol
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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