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can we break down AFC/sensative man?

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I am getting tired of reading how we cant be a sensative guy because we are afc?

isnt an AFC an insecure guy, who needs to cling onto the women he is with to justify his happiness?

isnt an afc overly nice and boring, doing everything she wants.


I love my gf...Im not going to act like a hard ass to look "cool"

I am nice to her.....I tell her sweet things..I talk to her on the phone for longs periods of time.

she is becoming my best friend and lover.

the things I talk to her about arent afc..telling her I love you and how amazing she is, and how happy I am isnt afc.

I dont act needy or clingy, I havent sacraficed my life for her, only some of my time.

I give her security and safety I dont play games with her, she knows I wont leave her or hurt her.


but yet it seems Im going against some DJ code by actually being a good man for her.


when guys say they go AFC in a relationship can someone give me some examples of how they did that?

what did u do? wat happened?
 

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Originally posted by frivolousz21
I am getting tired of reading how we cant be a sensative guy because we are afc?
No one said that you cannot be sensative but you got to do it in a way that does not convey's as being helpless or depended. Be sensetive but be strong.

Originally posted by frivolousz21
when guys say they go AFC in a relationship can someone give me some examples of how they did that?
Most guys loses their individuality when they enter a relationship with a woman. They slowly change in order to accommodate her needs more then their own. The Woman then may feel that the power surge is tipping slightly in her favour and since she is a better manipulator then a man she will try to gain more power. The man then slowly loses himself and his relationship power and is now lost. Instead of trying to gain back his life and his power he often does the reverse by making HER his life and giving HER all the power. Thus he become's an AFC and thus the relationship crashes and burn.
 

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thanks Damage....

the reason I ask is because I see my girl 3 to 4 days a week.


we talk about an hour to sometimes 2 on the phone a day when we arent together.


some would say thats afc but its not...I dont give my life up..this is late at night before I go to bed.

but we also are falling in love..we want to do this.

I see your point...and I am thankful im not doing that....I have my opinions she doenst agree with..infact last ngiht we almost argued over something and I changed the convo before it got stupid...but I can see ur point.

I wouldnt change myself for her or give my life for her...I would however let her in mine and make her a big part of my life...
 

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Okay I will try to help a little bit I guess.


“isnt an afc overly nice and boring, doing everything she wants.”

Yes and NO! You need to do what she wants to do SOME of the time, but also make sure you have a say in things the two of you do. She wants to go out for dinner… Fine you pick where you are going. That takes (boring) out of the way!

“I love my gf...Im not going to act like a hard ass to look "cool"”

Fine… Who ever said to be a hard ass? All the right things can be done and said without ever being “Hard Ass” I will say this though. Ladies want you to take charge and lead them. No mater what they say. It is hard wired into them, and remember you are not trying to be “cool” you are trying to be the MAN in the relationship.


“I am nice to her.....I tell her sweet things..I talk to her on the phone for longs periods of time.”

Your call there stud. Why not spend time with her in person and keep the yakity yakin on the phone short? This can be VERY deadly and you can find yourself in the “Friends list” fast as hell by the evil thing called the phone! Make her want to see you. Make the time you spend together mean something. If you two have talked about everything that has happened in the past week already over the phone it can leave you with that “What the hell else do we talk about” when you are out with her.


“she is becoming my best friend and lover.”

Watch your ass here man! I know everyone has grown up hearing “awwwwaa we are great together, he is my best friend aswell as me husband” This is so rare of a thing though. I went down this road two times and believe me. It did NOT work out in the end. I ended up with a soul mate for a life long friend.



“I give her security and safety I don’t play games with her, she knows I wont leave her or hurt her.”

The security and safety is great man. Good job, but any man with a spine can do that. You MUST play games! They love it. I am not saying to talk to other ladies in front of her. Just do things that make her wonder about you. Never let feel as if she carries a whistle and can blow it and you come running with your tounge hanging out like a puppy.

“but yet it seems Im going against some DJ code by actually being a good man for her.”


Frick the code man. I use it to its fullest, but there are exceptions. You just have to know when and where to apply the information you see in it. Bottom line. You seem to be doing a lot of things right bro. Just keep her guessing, and I would lay off the phone calls a bit. I lost two ladies with that evil thing before I knew what the hell I did wrong!



Funk out……..
 

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thanks man

I cant get on the friends list from being on the phone with her...


but its possible to be burned out..I am going to take some of that phone time away.

she is in love with me...I know that.

shyt..Ill be fine...I just know im doing things against the grain...but hey this could be the 1 for me..and I cant blow it going against my instincts.
 

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“she is becoming my best friend and lover.”
Personally I don't believe women can or should be both. You are lying to yourself if you are thinking that women can be your best friend and a lover. There is a fine line between friends and lovers and one has to look at it from that perspective so the lines will not be crossed.

It is a big burden for a woman to try to be your best friend. If you think that she won't judge you because you are so open with her think again. She won't judge you on the friendship level but the relationship will suffer (You are her friend as a result of the relationship don't ever forget that!). We have other men as our best friends for a reason. Your guy best friend is the guy you could spill your beans over a drink about your fears and insecurities. You tell that to a woman and you never know how she will take this. With a guy he will try to help you and not judge you plus you can talk the sh1t with a guy and say things without thinking it will damage the relationship.

Try saying to your Girlfriend" Check out that girl with the big rack!" and get away with it.

" If relationship george walks throw that door he will kill independed Geroge!. A George divided against himself cannot exist!"
-George Constanza theory on why you shouldn't mix your relationship world with your friendship world.
 

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your right...let me say what I mean by that.

no she inst my best friend in that regard..my best friend knows me all ofme..all the bad things she doesnt know..

I suppose she is becoming my best friend as in I talk to her more than anyone else now.....because I see her alot and talk to her alot.

not best friend as in ideal best friend.

yea ur right completely...she isnt my best friend at all..I dont talk to her like I talk my friends whatsoever..

my bad on that one.

I guess I got carried away with that..because of how close we are.
but you are right
 

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LOL, Darth Sidious your a bloody homo on a forum giving info on how to pull chicks.

Everything that comes out of your mouth is boll*cks

You tit.

G-man
 

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seriously, don't spend more than 2 days a week with her, and don't talk to her so much. it kills all the attraction, i know you don't see how that could happen but it does. make her long to see you. i have started to treat girls like shyt, you might not want to take my advice, im bitter right now and treat them all like sluts.
 

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DJDAMAGE

Man, listen to DJ Damage on this one. A chick may still want you physically on some level but when you become her rescuer/life support and best friend, she WILL lose interest. I supplocated a fukc buddy to the point that I was basically "put on a pedestal" by her. It made it difficult for her to see me as purely sexual after that. My ex wife was the same, that is why 80% of married men cheat, the chick leans on us for the wrong shyte. The sexual tension is still however.

I have basically come to the conclsuion that every woman is a hoe, except your Mother. She has no hidden agenda. I basically became very fukcing difficult and distant and guess what? This chick AND my ex wife all of a sudden became interested again.....the right way!

I think women can't share their girlie stuff with you and then feel as aroused by you....WE can. Men have that ability. Whats wrong honey? Oh, THATS AWFUL, HOW CAN i HELP? They love us for it, but the feeling becomes more feminine.

I like what Brother Rap says, if it wasn't for her period once a month a woman wouldn't need a mouth.

I know a lot of guys are looking for that elusive LTR where everything is open, honest and really matters PLUS the sex is great. IT DOES NOT EXIST. You ave to control ur bytch, man we gave them the vote, the pill, equal rights and THEY STILL want us to open doors for them and listen to their inance crap. Let the chicks deal with the chicks, WE are about the men.

PS....If there really is a gay dude on this forum, what the fukc is going on. I can take a chick posting er confuced bullshyte in ere, but a fag? Man, fags, the rnt of the pack, should have been rolled over on at birth and suffocated, just like in the animal kingdom.

Good advice DJDamage, I am maybe a bit more extreme then you, but I think we were on the same page.
 

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Let's take a look at the nature of woman here. In the Biblical account of Genesis, God saw that Adam needed a suitable helper. He created Eve.

This is the most important thing for you to know about the nature of women. Women need something or someone to define themselves by and to devote themselves to. Even the most independent of women is only seeming that way, but it's because feminism is what she defines herself by and devotes herself to. It's no accident that not only are the strongest feminists women, but the strongest ANTIfeminists are women also. Women were also the most vigorous supporters of the Communist and Nazi movements back in the days before and during WWII. In the church, the most devoted workers, networkers, and helpers are most often women. In the medical field, nurses and medical assistants are most often women.

Woman is the helper, the supporter, and it is through this that she finds fulfillment. Are you giving her the fulfillment? How often do you ask or tell her to get you something or cook you something or do something for you? As hard as you may find this to understand (even I don't fully understand it, but then again women don't understand men either), this fulfills her. The more she loves you, the more she wants to serve you, and the more she serves you, the more she loves you.

Of course taken to extremes it can get old, but as long as you are fulfilling her, you can be as sappy as you want (to a point).
 

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Yo Friv,

I think you might be underestimating the number of guys on this site that have been in exactly the same situation as you before. I think you are also underestimating the number of guys here who would likely KILL for a loving, caring, sharing, equality-based relationship with a beautiful woman who they can express their emotions to without any fear of her losing interest or breaking their hearts. We all want a mature, stable, sensible woman who will be there for us and won't lose attraction for us if we want some emotional intimacy.

Almost every guy here used to be (or still is) a nice guy. I'm sure we'd all be very happy if this site was never needed. But it is, because guys who act like you do (like most of us have) get their hearts torn out of their chests by the girls they love.

Personally, I thought I had exactly what you think you have for 3 years of my life. She cheated on me with a complete and total loser who had absolutely nothing going for him except that he treated her like a piece of ass. And I mean nothing. He was 21, living with his parents, ugly, unemployed, really stupid (failed his yr 10), lanky, and when he wasn't smoking dope (and sometimes when he was), he was playing computer games. On the other hand, I was 2 years into a Psychology degree with a Distinction average, had a part-time job, hadn't lived at home for 4 years, had never done any drugs, lived with my girlfriend, her parents loved me, my family loved her, I'm not half-bad looking, was very romantic, often surprised her with little things she loved, gave her the best sex of her life (which is something she has told me 2 years after we broke up and there was no chance we'd ever get back together because she has children to another guy), and basically treated her like my princess. The problem was that last one. I was way too nice to her. I was like a girlfriend who had a d!ck. Every time she had some bullsh!t emotional tantrum, I'd sit down with her and talk her through it. Every time she got upset with me, I'd apologise. I loved doing nice things for her, and I often went out of my way to do them. I would constantly give her compliments and tell her how I felt about her. I would ask her what she wanted to do instead of deciding what we were going to do, because I didn't want to control her. I was sensitive, caring, kind, considerate, compassionate, and nice. I thought of myself as a "good" guy.

And then she cheated on me, and I had no idea what the hell I did. At first, I couldn't see anything that I did wrong, so I blamed her exclusively. I started resenting ALL women a lot, because I could see her in every girl I met. It was a long time before I stopped hating women so much and started trying to figure them out, and that's when I started realising all the mistakes I'd made.

Dude, you are making mistakes. I know you can't see them, but neither could I. Unfortunately, I didn't have anything like this online community to prepare me for what was inevitable. You do. Don't fight against it blindly hoping that it is all wrong and you are right. You aren't. You WILL crash and burn BAD if you keep up your mistakes. Your girl is NOT unique. YOU are not unique. Your relationship is not a special case. You are making mistakes, and you will suffer incredible pain when your heart is destroyed.

At least try to assimilate some of the knowledge that this forum community provides. There is a huge amount of collective wisdom here. Much more than you could ever hope to gain alone. What "being a DJ" represents is years of experience of thousands of men dating several thousand women, and distilling all that experience into what works best for you and your girls, to maximise success and pleasure, and minimise failure and pain.

At the very least, try not to be so naive. Try to be open-minded that maybe what you are doing will harm your relationship in the long-run.
 

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MetalFortress nailed it. There is a quote from the movie 'Solomon and Sheba' that I think fits within the context of MetalFortress' post:

"The way of a woman is simple...it is always to follow the way of a man."

It may sound sexist, but I believe there is a kernel of truth in that statement. What Sheba was saying in that quote was that a man gave her someone to devote herself to.

Observe the behavior of women and how they are preoccupied with their husbands/boyfriends/men in general. Looking good for them, gossiping about them, etc. Relationships towards men define who many women are and how they view themselves in the past and even in todays society.

As for Mortukai's post, you can basically take what he said and apply it to me and many other guys on this site, just change a few minor details here and there. This sad story is being written everyday, the dynamics in your relationship aren't unique. Many have been there before and got burned. Be careful, my friend, and good luck.
 

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Originally posted by Sart
Good advice DJDamage, I am maybe a bit more extreme then you, but I think we were on the same page.
More or less Sart, since you been through more sh1t then I have you have a more harsh tone which is great for the younger guys who think love is a fairy tail (It can be but only under your own terms!).

Another thing I would like to add is that if you are in a relationship with a girl, be careful not to turn into Captain-Save-A-Hoe.

If a woman comes to you to b1tch,moan, complain and cry all the time, then you are dating the wrong type of woman. Women who love drama and have low self esteem and other issues do not make good girlfriends or wives.

Now on the other hand if a woman you are dating, on occasions come to you to b1tch,moan,complain or cry about her life then there are different options. If a woman does not ask you to help her, DO NOT OFFER HER ADVICE! She may only want to vent and she needs someone to listen to her. Let her girlfriends, mother, aunt and the gay guy she hangs around with try to solve her problems. You are here to excite her and make her feel better about herself. If you are around her every time she gets upset she will associate you with negative energy and thus in time will view you as the person that is responsible for her bad moods (That is why chicks cannot keep a large group of girl friends and constantly have to drop a few here and there because in the end of it they start to hate each other and backstab one another lol every chick I know has told me of some girl who backstabed her.)

After you let her vent you may want to change the subject by concentrating on happy positive things and avoiding the negatives. If you see that she wants to be misrable that very night there is no point of dragging you down with her (Misery loves company) I say bail out. Tell her you got to go or something and walk out. I then would call her a couple of days later when she is in a better mood. I know it sounds crazy and every urge in your brain tells you that you better stick around for a long time and have her cry all over you, but from my experiences those things led to LJBF. Trust me when you leave and split, she will probably pick up the phone to one of her trusted girlfriends and b1tch and moan of what a jackass you are. But after she will feel better she would want to hook up with you and forget the whole thing about her being mad at you or the world. You will be better off then her girlfriends and the gay guy/AFC who always want to help.

As an AFC I was always frustrated as to why I always got shafted when I went above and beyond helping a girl out while other guys who I used to call "jerks" because they never helped a girl out, but were only there for the "good times". Those guys didn't have to put so much work into the relationship to make it successful. While I was putting as much work and time as I could and the relationship ended up crashing and burning.

The more I gave, the more she took and the less I got <------ If you feel the above statment applies to any of you then you are obviously doing something wrong.
 

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The more I gave, the more she took and the less I got <------ If you feel the above statment applies to any of you then you are obviously doing something wrong.
I believe this comes back to the balance theory and this is what im trying to achieve..with me on about a 40 to 45 percent give and her about 60.

right nows its about there...since she sacrafices and does more to be with me..than I do her.

I just want to be able to share my passions with her without being afc.
 
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