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can someone break it down for me please

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hey guys

i want to start eating healthy but i dont know all this stuff about mixing protein and gluten or all these difficult name/expresion
i fact i know nothing about food excepted cooking good meal and enjoy the good things in life ;p

so can someone break it down to help me understand how should i build my meal and my training to be healthy ??

thx
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how should i build my meal and my training to be healthy ??

First, you have to define "healthy." It means different things to different people. Are you competing in a sport, or do you just want to look good?
 

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I would also like a quick breakdown. I am not competing in a sport, I do not want to be a bodybuilder.

I am just a 41 year old ex smoker who has sat on his ass for 25 years, but who recently lost 30 pounds or so and is looking to build a little muscle and tighten up.

Lots of information out there, but much of it conflicts and it can be quite confusing for a beginner.
 

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so like echoes i don't want to do bodybuilding just be in shape if you read my previous post i'm doing only jumping rope pull ups and sit up
i'm practicing wing chun (kung fu) sometimes playing tennis
and yeah i want to look good
finally i fit with all your question bible_belt ;p
and i totally agree with echoes about a lot of information but always different one saying that you can eat that but another say it's ain't good
 

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So you want to be lean and have good cardio? Are you going to compete in tennis or martial arts? If you are training hard at a sport, even at an amateur level, you should be getting an hour or two a day of intense cardio. By "intense" I mean that you have to hang up your clothes to dry after you are done, and usually involving organized group training. If that's the case, then health is going to come much more easily to you and diet is going to matter less. Even if you're not a champion, competing in anything will bring you better health.

On the other hand, if you're just messing around here and there in your backyard, it will take a lot more discipline with your diet.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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First thing you should do is clean all junk foods and sugars from your diet. Those are treats that you use to reward yourself or celebrate something.

Alcohol too. If you don't need to drink it then don't. If you're at a party or a celebration then do it.

You need to decide what's more important. Discipline and athetic performance or getting drunk often and eating very unhealthy but fairly tasty foods (there's very delicious and nutrtitius foods if you know where to look and how to cook). It's short term pleasure vs long term pleasure.


As far as the rest of your diet you need to specify how athletic you want to be. The more athletic and active you are the more carbohydrates you need. The more focused you are on muscle building the more proteins you need. Fats are a given. You need to eat them but make sure they're good, unsaturated fats from sources like fish and plant oils. Saturated fats from meats are good too but make sure you balance them with enough unsaturated ones.
 

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first i wanted to thank you guys
now to answer your questions ...
so i'm not competing on any sport nor tennis neither kung fu but i just practicing for myself
i wanna be good at it for myself
tennis its one time per week and my kung fu class also but i'm practicing kung fu at home ...
i don't drinking (i don't like alcohol ... maybe a little cup of scotch or wine or schnapps once in a while) i don't smoke weed or cigarettes or even hookah maybe a little cigar once in a while
i do eat good food not so healthy but i'm not greedy i no my limit ...
i don't want to be lean i want to be a little bit bigger and a body drawing well
(i don't know if i can say a nice curve for me ... it's sound too feminine ...)
here's some exemple for the body i want :

http://www.godofstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/brucelee-pierreberton-interview.jpg
http://www.imagup.com/data/1116224422.html
http://www.imagup.com/data/1116224467.html
http://www.imagup.com/data/1116224497.html

but i don't want to do bodybuilding though
and bible i can assure you after every training i do (jumping rope sit up pulls up) i sweating to death me head is wet my shirt is really wet and my training during something like 1h and a little bit more
i also found a place to train where there's no wind in there so its a little bet hot and when i'm training it's make me sweat even more

so guys i think i gave you all information if you need more information don't be shy to ask !
 

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The build you desire is basically guys that have a good amount of muscle with low bodyfat%. Your diet is what is gonna make or break your success if this is the body type you seek. Its critically important to eat clean and do lots of conditioning work if you wanna maintain that level of leanness, especially if you don't wanna work on developing a solid muscle base first.

Post current pics and stats if you want more detailed help.
 

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so i'll post pictures of me later. but i don't have idea what you talking about when you say stats ?
i have one more thing to add ... basically i'm loosing weight without doing nothing
i don't grow even if i eat like a pig !
 

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As far as kung fu and tennis you need to do plenty of exercise and conditioning. Bodybuilding will help but you need to stick to the higher rep ranges (10-16 rep reps) since you're going for endurance more than anything. It will help with tennis as well as kung fu.

The rest of your appearance is going to be determined by your diet. Low bodyfat can be achieved in various ways but the most effective is a ketogenic diet. You eat little carbohydrates and you focus on proteins and fats. Also eat lots of vegetables to make sure you're getting enough vitamins and minerals.

Ask around about the ketogenic diet. It's not very easy and there's various levels of it. You don't need to go completely ketogenic but you need to cut your carbohydrates down quite a bit.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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thank you Alle_Gory !

you see that was my initial question ...
what is it carbohydrate ?
where you can find it ?
where you can find protein ?
where you can find the other (i don't know name ..)
what can you mix up together for a dinner (protein and carbohydrate or else)?
 

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TheMale said:
so i'll post pictures of me later. but i don't have idea what you talking about when you say stats ?
i have one more thing to add ... basically i'm loosing weight without doing nothing
i don't grow even if i eat like a pig !
Stats:

height -
weight -
bodyfat% - (estimate this... typically you're in the single digits if you can see a full 6 pack. Bodybuilders on stage are typically in the 2-5% range)
Exercise history -
1 rep maxes on Squats, Deadlifts, bench.

Example for myself:

height: 5'8"
Weight: 185-190
Bodyfat: around 12% (caliper tested)
Exercise history: consistently working out for around 12 years, track/bobsled athlete for a few years, male entertainer for 3.5 years, bodybuilding for past year.
1 RMs: Squat: 365, Deads: 475, Bench: ?? 225-240 I'm guessing

Again, pics and these data are invaluable if you want help achieving your goals.
 

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here's my pictures :





so for my stats :
height - 5"8 (it's feet ?)
weight - 163 pound
bodyfat - i have no idea ... maybe 30% i can start to see my first 2 pack on the top ;p
Exercise history - so i did some capoeira for 1 year when i was 13 y/o and still training from time to time did a little bit muay thai for 2 month :) started to learn kung fu 3 months ago but never really trained on my body once in a while i was doing some push ups and pull ups but rarely and the last past month i started to train seriously with jumping rope pull up sit up every day of the week that's it
1 rep maxes on Squats, Deadlifts, bench: i have no idea what you're talking about can you make it clear for me please ?

thx for your help people
 

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TheMale said:
thank you Alle_Gory !

you see that was my initial question ...
what is it carbohydrate ?
What you eat is made of three major ingredients. Carbuhydrates. Starches that come from wheats, breads, sugars from fruits or refined sources.. etc.

Proteins, come from meats mostly.

And lastly fats, these come from oils and animal fats. There are various kinds.

There are also minerals and vitamins and other nutrients that you get mainly from raw foods. Vegetables and fruits mostly, but also raw(er) meats and animal products.

Alcohols are also a form of food, but they are simply fermented carbohydrates that have turned into alcohols. Alcohols are good for you in small amounts but the human liver can only digest so much. If you get drunk and binge drink these alcohols will be deposited as plaque on your arteries when the liver tries to digest them but it can't because it's already tired. It does an incomplete digestion and that's how you get artery clogs. It takes time to deposit.

Also eating too much fructose (found in table sugar and high fructose corn syrup) has a similar effect. You can eat a little bit of sugar but most people eat way too much. It's hidden in many foods so you must be careful to read the ingredients or simply eat more natural.
 

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you opened my eyes right now !
fructose is also found in chocolate ?
just a last question about that
i heard that it's not a good thing to eat a lot of protein or to mix it up with i think carbohydrate ..... (or meat and potatoes because the digestion of both are different and one can slow down the second so it's not god to mix that)
is that true ? and what else i should not mix ?
 

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sugar (also called sucrose is made up of a glucose molecule and a fructose molecule loosely bound together). When you eat it, your intestines absorb it and it gets sent to the liver. The sucrose is then split by the liver. The glucose part gets dumped into the blood right away (your body runs on glucose) and the fructose part begins digestion by the liver. It cannot be used, it must be made into something else that your body needs. However, the liver can only digest so much fructose and after it gets tired it does a half ass job and creates all sorts of plagues and other not-completely-digested waste products that unfortunately deposit on your blood vessels as they exit the liver. It's a real problem if you get these deposits on your arteries as they can harden and that creates brittle arteries that are also very clogged up so less blood flows where you need it.

(The presentation on youtube "sugar the bitter truth" will explain in much more detail. It's a presentation by Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology)

That is why, you don't eat too much sugar. Some is good for you if you get it from the right foods like fruit or honey (antibacterial properties). And sometimes it's nice to have a desert. It keeps the mind sane.

Fuglydude can explain better, he's the resident medical expert on the forums. My knowledge is from biochemistry in University and the rest is self taught. I find it fascinating. Fugly does this for a living and he knows much more.

The reason people don't recommend mixing too much carbohydrates and proteins is because you can get bloated and have indigestion. That is an incomplete digestion. Firstly it's uncomfortable, second all the proteins and carbohydrates you just ate get thrown out. They go in the toilet instead of being properly digested and used by the body. This is very important for bodybuilders that are on very strict diets. A few meals can throw off their entire plan. You don't need to worry about it that much until you get to that level. It requires so much discipline and planning ahead of time I can't begin to explain. It's hard to get big. It's easy to put on muscle at the beginning but the more muscle you gain the harder it becomes to gain more.


In conclusion: Fructose is found in sugar. Anything that has sugar has 50% of that sugar being fructose. High fructose corn syrup found in most fizzy drinks is even worse. It's labelled as "glucose-fructose, corn sugar, high fructose corn syrup". Read the ingredients.

Your body can digest a little bit of fructose every day. I think it's something like 10g or so per day. After that, the rest becomes undigested garbage that collects in your arteries.

Fruits also have fructose but usually little of it. Unless you're eating fruits by the kilo I wouldn't worry. Also, oranges and lemons are not a good source of Vitamin C. They actually have very little compared to other fruits.
 
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I'm no expert, but I do have a couple of degrees in related fields.

First of all, there's no way you're close to 30% bodyfat, 15-20% I can see, but definitely not 30. For someone like yourself, I'd recommendy you get into a basic conditioning phase, where you're training you're body to build muscle and also working on your cardiovascular conditioning. A great way to do this is to combine a good diet w/ a modified starting strength style program and continue to do your kung fu, etc.

Allegory is partially correct/but mostly incorrect in his statements, No offense Allegory, just telling it like it is. He does however, make good points about things like Fructose, etc... At this point you don't need to worry about the effects that fructose has on the hormonal regulation of metabolism. You just need to know that you need to eat 5-6 large wholesome meals everyday that are rich in protein and low GI natural source carbs... Eat like a caveman. If a caveman didn't have access to it, then you probably shouldn't be eating it. There are exceptions, for example things like whey isolate, but for the most part, this is a good rule of thumb.

The stuff we eat can be broken down in seven major classes of nutrients:

- Carbs: Carbohydrates, sugars/starches/fiber from things like bread, rice, oats, yams, etc. Carbs, especially glucose are what our cells typically use as their primary energy source.

- Protein: From meats, eggs, fish, cheese, etc. Protein makes life as we know it possible. Protein and water make up the majority of muscle tissue. Eating adequate amounts of protein is absolutely integral for gaining muscle, as well as staying lean.

- Fats: Fats are essential to life. They come from many different sources and include things like oil, butter, etc. Fats are quite calorie dense and make you feel quite full.

- Water

- Vitamins

- Minerals

- Phytonutrients and other miscillaneous crap: Compounds from plants such as things like lycopene that have been shown to have health benefits.

To debunk a few of the things Allegory said:

EtOH (alcohol consumption) doesn't directly lead to atherosclerotic plaque formation. The formation of atherosclerotic plaques is a highly complex evolving pathophysiological process centered around the progressive inflammatory damage to the vascular endothelium and the subsequent sequelae that result. In layman's terms this basically means that plaques in the arteries are caused by something damaging the walls of the blood vessels.... Something has to happen to start this inflammatory process. There is currently strong evidence to show that oxidized LDL (low density lipoprotein) is one of things that gets the ball rolling... However, there are tons of other theories on this matter. CVD (cardiovascular disease) today, kills more people than anything else. People have spent entire lifetimes attempting to characterize the disease processes around atherosclerotic plaque formation, so I'm not gonna get into it anymore... Look it up if you want more info.

Secondly, about the fructose: Allegory is correct that sucrose is a disaccharide comprised of a fructose and glucose molecule. They are hydrolyzed in the gut, and absorbed. With a very few exceptions, our cells cannot directly metabolize fructose, and as Allegory said, it must pass through hepatic metabolism to become available as a fuel source. There is ample evidence to show that a diet rich in fructose causes a whole host of problems including, as Allegory said I think, increased production of "bad" circulating lipids, namely LDL and TAG (triacelyglycerides)... The liver is responsible for the production of many things, including lipoproteins. Lipoproteins are essentially supramolecular assemblies that allow hydrophobic lipid molecules to exist in a water based circulatory system without coming out of solution (think of oil and water). It is oxidized "bad" fats that are thought to be one of the major contributors to CVD. Fructose, alcohol, etc does not directly "collect in the arteries"... rather, it is the effects that consuming these things to an excess, have on the hormonal regulation of metabolism that makes them so damaging.

Fructose also wreaks havoc on the innate satiety mechanisms in place in our bodies, involving hormones like insulin, leptin and grehlin... Basically it doesn't make you feel full, even though you have eaten a fair amount of calories. You can down a half liter pop, full of high fructose corn syrup, and still not feel full... You're gonna want more, and the resultant insulin spike is gonna eventually end up storing all of the extra energy as fat in your adipocytes. In addition, having a chronically high insulin levels will decrease the body's insulin sensitivity, which is one of the etiological bases of type 2 diabetes mellitus.

In nature fructose, from fruits, is always found with dietary fiber... If fructose is a poison, then dietary fiber is the antidote, as it does pretty much exactly the opposite of all the bad shiiit that fructose does when it comes to its effects on metabolic regulation. For example, it decreases insulin secretion, increases satiety, and has beneficial effects on the blood lipid profile.

OP: Don't worry about all this shiit... I've been up for close to 24 hours, and it was a total ramble on my part... Just focus on training hard, staying consistent and having a well planned out diet that gets in adequate amounts of nutrients at the appropriate times.

Eat 5-6 clean high protein, natural source carbs every day mixed with good quality fats from olive oil, fish oils, etc. Train hard, stay consistent, and you'll see great results.
 

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and you're not an expert ?! ;)

it's seems a complete guide to a perfect diet :p

just a quick question about that
do you actually think i can get a body like the pictures i posted (the body i want) without going to gym ?
or to have a body like that i need to go to gym ??

because i heard that in gym your just getting bigger but without real strength
and i see a lot of people training in gym but they don't seems to have a body like the pics they are just big (even if it's muscles but not well drawing)
 

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TheMale said:
and you're not an expert ?! ;)

it's seems a complete guide to a perfect diet :p

just a quick question about that
do you actually think i can get a body like the pictures i posted (the body i want) without going to gym ?
or to have a body like that i need to go to gym ??

because i heard that in gym your just getting bigger but without real strength
and i see a lot of people training in gym but they don't seems to have a body like the pics they are just big (even if it's muscles but not well drawing)
Unless you're exceptionally lucky in the genetics department (and you don't look like you are based on your pics) you're gonna have to work to develop the kind of physique you want. You'll need to a combination of resistance, and cardio training and watch your diet carefully to achieve that kinda lean hard muscular look.

Define "real strength"?

Work you put in the gym will likely transfer to skill sports that require focused power output... things like MMA, football, etc. Being strong and explosive are things you can work on in the gym. Try olympic lifting. The human body cannot generate any more power than during olympic lifting. The kind of wattage you can generate is crazy. National level guys will routinely snatch with 200 kg... that's like picking up a motorcycle and basically throwing it above your head and catching it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMGMPmlzhvo&feature=related

Do you think that's not "real strength"? These guys have put in tons of time in the gym doing accessory work as well as olympic lifting style training. Strength is very neurological in nature... its basically a SKILL... and its a skill that you lose if you dont' work at it.

Training purely for hypertrophy (to get bigger) still requires heavy weights, but you pay much more attention to form and really pumping blood into muscles than doing anything and everything you can to lift a weight in the most efficient manner. I'm an advocate for combined training systems that incorporate a variety of olympic/power lifting and traditional bodybuilding/hypertrophy. This way you can get both big/strong and explosive.

Lots of the guys in the gym are big but don't have super low bodyfat%. Getting and maintaining low bodyfat is tough, and arguably somewhat counterproductive if you're trying to put on a significant amount of muscle mass. I wish I could stay lean (sub 10%) and still put on muscle, but its simply not practical to try and do this.
 

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If arteries swell with lipid deposits as a response to chemical stress then wouldn't physical stress cause similar effects? Such as chronic high blood pressure.

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and you're not an expert ?! ;)
No such thing as an expert. What the truth is today can be a myth tomorrow when someone does an experiment and finds out something new. Information has an expiry date just like everything else.

because i heard that in gym your just getting bigger but without real strength
and i see a lot of people training in gym but they don't seems to have a body like the pics they are just big (even if it's muscles but not well drawing)
They have real strength. They train in the gym to become better at training in the gym. That is their day to day real use of strength.

As far as larger muscles yes, they are weaker but they have more endurance. Training for muscle mass is training for muscular endurance. Training for powerlifting is training for muscular strength. Training for long distance running is mostly aerobic endurance.
 
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