"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Calling out a FLAKE

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http://www.rsdnation.com/node/60078

I recommend everyone read this article.

Although i dont always agree with everything this article says, it is an article you should read for a different perspective on flaking. In a nutshell, it says, dont get pissed, (let alone show it!) when a chick flakes. Dont wait for her, or keep trying, but dont lose her number. Throw a line out once in a while ,(if she isnt a total stranger, anyway) you might catch her when she has nothing going on, and have a good time. One of the reasons chicks flake, is because they have too many other options, and you are last on her list. If, two months down the road, you happen to call when she's bored one day, you might get laid out of the deal.

This doesnt apply to girls you are dating, btw! Only for girls you number closed.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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sorry, double post
 

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Go with it, but remember that you had to call her to "remind" her that you even exist, and she still gave herself an "out" in case she isn't up to meeting with you. No woman is THAT busy when she's got an opportunity to be with a guy she likes.

Seems you've taken the hard road.
 
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When a girl is about to flake or flaked, I tell them " Your a frosted flake!" while im laughing.
They most of the time have a WTF? moment and i tell them that i think they are being flakey. They usually laugh and say a cute comment like 'Awww im sorry" or lets hangout on XXX, but some say they were busy or blah blah blah
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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horaholic said:
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/60078

I recommend everyone read this article.
That was a good read. I don't agree with everything fully tho.

That Tyler guy mentioned that he never next a chick that flakes if he hasn't fvcked her which actually makes sense. I also don't next chicks I just don't waste time trying to spend time with them or go out of my way to speak with them if they show low IL or flake.

Something that did make damn good sense was this:

2- Putting the girl in a position where she has to call you back or its over.
As men, we're usually the ones to get the numbers so it's up to us to initiate contact in the beginning. Calling them once and then expecting a woman to constantly blow our phones up is absurd unless her IL is through the roof. Why would she bother doing that when she has a plethora of men trying to get with her?

and...

3- Refusing to follow up with girls who don't make it easy to meet up with them again by, and thinking that you're somehow 'NEXTing' them.
Women want to be chased to a certain degree. All three of my fb's/jump offs all made me chase in some way because it seperates the men from the boys to be honest. There's a fine line between being persistent and being a pain in the a$$. I'm now a firm believer in just going for it until the woman says no. Persistence is key otherwise she'll throw you in the bag with all of the other chumps that expect every woman to be some h0 that can be laid on the first night.
 

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The thing about Tyler too, though, is that he has so many options, it doesnt affect him in the slightest if a girl flakes. He'll just call a few more, till one of them comes over. For those of us, who dont have fifty girls we could bang at any given time, it affects us a little more when they flake. From his standpoint, or from a truly abundant lifestyle, what he says makes perfect sense. If we only have one option, and she flakes, it kind of sucks, and its kind of hard to not get pissed, at least a little.
 

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Lol? Tyler said that he doesn't condone NEXTing just cause she's not very interested or accessible off the bat. He says just keep trying cause it's no big deal at all until they've slept together. There's no drama in a relationship, or expectations, when they haven't slept together yet.
Heck, his 'game' has more to do with holding on to girls, and he generally doesn't next them until they display genuine disinterest after sex.
 

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^^That's weird, all the guys I know who are bad with women are quite "persistant". They are usually the kind of guys that aren't happy if they aren't with a woman, very dependant.
 

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I'm surprised none of you caught the AW aspect of this. She gave him her #,texts all the time, calls-but doesn't have time to date? Classic AW-she just wants the attention,not the relationship.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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LOL...this is the kinda of girl who i would definitely fck with.

I would send her some fcked up mail like a mad man and watch her crumble with paranoia.

She deserves it!:rockon:







sodbuster said:
I'm surprised none of you caught the AW aspect of this. She gave him her #,texts all the time, calls-but doesn't have time to date? Classic AW-she just wants the attention,not the relationship.
 

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sodbuster said:
I'm surprised none of you caught the AW aspect of this. She gave him her #,texts all the time, calls-but doesn't have time to date? Classic AW-she just wants the attention,not the relationship.
Sounds like a few chicks I know... Complete waste of time. I like to call them virgin sluts. They will talk to a million guys, but they wont do **** with any of them.
 

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horaholic said:
The thing about Tyler too, though, is that he has so many options, it doesnt affect him in the slightest if a girl flakes. He'll just call a few more, till one of them comes over. For those of us, who dont have fifty girls we could bang at any given time, it affects us a little more when they flake. From his standpoint, or from a truly abundant lifestyle, what he says makes perfect sense. If we only have one option, and she flakes, it kind of sucks, and its kind of hard to not get pissed, at least a little.
i think people have taken the plate theory too far. in the sense that, if one new to spinning plates, he will also want to improve his game while he does that. So i think its perfectly alrite to be affected because he is looking for an answer as to why his Game still made the girl flake.

if u spin 50 plates and didnt care a hoot abt how girls react and what ur actions does, then u are basically waiting for a girl who is head over heels and that seldom occurs.

i'd say we learn from our experience with each plate. Don't be too quick to say he's very affected by the plate. We are all learning.
 
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