"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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All humour has a precept (except for puns and the like, which are just dumb anyway). They take a concept and then warp it into an exaggerated version. JUST warping reality gets you somewhere, but the best jokes have a base in a concept which we already feel. If you can take a fact which brings emotion to a person and exaggerate it into a comic version - a joke - you get laughs.

For instance, how many yanks does it take to screw in a lightbulb? 100, one to hold the lighbulb and 99 to turn the house. The precept is that yanks are stupid.

It's hard to explain this -- but basically, the more the precept of the joke makes you feel something, the funnier the joke will be. Yanks probably won't find that joke funny, but brits will (in an alternate universe where we haven't already heard the joke 500 times). Think of all those stand up comedy acts where they just go on about airline food, and though they don't really bring up anything you're not expecting, it's funny. The precept is the universal experience of bad airline service. Because it's an experience with a lot of emotion involved, the comic can hook the audience. Ever heard the phrases "he tells it like it is" and "it's funny because it's true"?

David DeAngelo mentioned a quote from a book on comedy:
90% of the humour comes from the character and NOT the jokes.
The character becomes the precept of our humour.

So, you need to take the character which girls are looking for and make that your precept. What character would that be?

CONFIDENT - which, exaggerated, becomes ****Y.

And you can also take the precept of the situation between you and make it into humour: that she wants you so badly, and you're ambivalent.


The point of this is that the precepts made into humour is like a CONCENTRATED SHOT of these values - they come to view you as that confident person immediately and easily --in fact, somehow larger than life.


Okay, that's theory anyway. Sometimes it doesn't quite fit that mould, but it's a good starting point.



Part of C&F is teasing. I think this is the point when most people go wrong. The idea of teasing is to screw about with them - because you think it's cute when they're mad and you're confident enough to know she's not going to just slap you and leave if you show some personality. NOT to hurt their feelings or belittle them.

Think of kids on the playground calling each other names. It might be witty sometimes, but it still hurts them. The big bully is the guy with the big inferiority complex. He insults people to assure himself that he's better than them.

The ****y guy teases girls because it's fun to watch their little faces pout at him: he doesn't need proof to know he kicks ass. But the ****y guy is good at heart. He would never think of trying to belittle them.

Note the difference between "ego-pain" and anger. Ego-pain, I mean, from insults etc, scars. Anger, though, is GOOD. It's not pain. Though ego-pain and anger often go hand in hand, anger itself makes the blood rush and adrenaline flow, bringing aggression, making you feel powerful if nothing else, and makes the experience unforgettable. Yes. Something a little like lust. Anger is GOOD.

A little bit of fighting sets a relationship on fire. It's when the insults come out that people start hating each other.
Naturally that means not to go TOO far. It starts getting serious when you stop being funny. But so long as there is a spirit of playfulness about it and both of you know that it's not serious - it's teasing.


If you ever hit a sore spot with the teasing and she's hurt, you CAN apologise. Not "PLEASE FORGIVE ME!" .. you can say, "hey, I was just screwing with you" in a slightly accusing tone. (You might not need her approval, but can still clear things up a little). Make it quick and you can forget about it quickly.

I think that a guy can still apologise. If you're going to be a DJ all the time and not just putting your face on to pick up girls, you'd have to just to get along in life. The point is that you only apologise when you MEAN it.


But I'm getting off track. ;)
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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this thread is half "what makes a joke funny" and half "the right way to use c&f". i like it.

i agree with everything here. and its true! i love seeing that face girls make after u've said something with c&f. its like, "omg i cant believe you just said that!!" then you just smile and they get you were joking. its a beautiful thing.
 

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This is actually a pretty decent post. :up:

I think a lot of people read the bible/DYD/whatever and get the impression that you need to be rude to or even insult the woman you're macking - not the right idea at all....and especially not if they aren't that blonde bombshell some guys would call a 10.

because you think it's cute when they're mad and you're confident enough to know she's not going to just slap you and leave if you show some personality. NOT to hurt their feelings or belittle them
That pretty much sums it up.
 

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think a lot of people read the bible/DYD/whatever and get the impression that you need to be rude to or even insult the woman you're macking - not the right idea at all....and especially not if they aren't that blonde bombshell some guys would call a 10.
I got that perception and now Im trying to find a balance and that balance is a DJ.
Its hard to find the balance because I started of reading DYD before I found this site and he would talk about not being a nice guy but like a "jerk" and for me right now its hard to find a balance.
 

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It's in the presentation. You have to kinda soften them up before the C&F, disarming them. I for one, can't get the whole C&F thing down. Most HB's react like I'm a grade-A a$$hole when I try it. Too early.
I gotta stop with the neghits.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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