"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Broken contact..Set back...ugh!

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Well, over a month of not talking to him (and actually slowly forgetting about it all) I finally got the "I really do miss you. I know you're still mad and I'm sorry. I wish I never did that to you, you deserve better."

What do I say to THAT??????

*for those who don't know my story, my ex and I were re-hooking up and I caught him still sleeping with the girl he left me for.*
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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You tell him that you understand that he's 'sorry', but saying 'sorry'; is NOT the SAME as an Apology and asking for forgiveness.

Re read what you wrote, and what he said...

Where do you see "I want you back!! Please! Come back to me!!!"

Get real.

It's your Ego thats doing the thinking for you.

You know this guy is trying to play you.

Dont enable Co Dependency
 

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There are a lot of guys out there. You don't take him back is what you do. He messed around on you. Now it's time to find a guy who won't mess around on you. Good luck!

1 month is not very long. Stay strong.
 

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SunnyD said:
Well, over a month of not talking to him (and actually slowly forgetting about it all) I finally got the "I really do miss you. I know you're still mad and I'm sorry. I wish I never did that to you, you deserve better."

What do I say to THAT??????
If this is an active call (you picked up the phone???? NONONO DON"T DO IT!) but if you did...

You say: "You're right, I do deserve better. I harbor no ill will against you, truly, but I think it's best if we keep our relationship as something in the past. I wish you only the best in YOUR future. Take care of yourself. Bye."

Then hang up fast - before he says anything else and UNPLUG your phone before he hits redial.

If it's a message DO NOT CALL HIM BACK. He is wanting to go for another round of the same dance you guys just finished - and it will end the same way, unfortunately. Don't even open the invitation, Sunny. Hit the delete button. Exercise some self-discipline and delete the message.

He will use a cry out for "closure" as a way to manipulate you back. It is sad to think you cared for someone who you can't trust the motives of - but you must be honest with yourself about what you know to be true about the man. He is NOT capable of genuinely loving you. He told you this to your face verbally - and BLATANTLY with his actions. BELIEVE HIM!

It is okay to not offer him closure if that is the boundery you need to keep yourself emotionally safe.

Your relationship with him is over. Relationships that have ended leave you NO obligation to return his call.

As women, we are raised to "be nice" and not to hurt anyone's feelings. But you are not a little girl anymore. And a grown woman knows that you can't go through life without sometimes hurting people's feelings. Your first obligation is to be responsible to your self.

If you feel like you can't imagine never talking to him again - then just "one day at a time" it. and let those days stack up. You can give him closure in a year - or - two - or three from now. If it's truly that important - it will be later, too.

Right now - he is concerned about his pain, his longing for you, his desire (perhaps even his shame - although I sincerely doubt it)

But realize that this call is still all about him and his feelings - you as a dynamic individual to be respected and loved in a genuine, adult, mature, mutually supportive, playful, honest relationship do not exist to this man. You are still irrelevent and replaceable with any number of women to him.

He is right about one thing though! You really do deserve better :yes:
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Thanks for the replies.

I guess no reply is best. It was a text msg Sat. night. Caught me off guard and at first I felt all sad about, but now I feel mad. Because I was doing so good. Starting to think of him less and less...and over a month of ZERO contact was pretty damn good. Now I feel like I have to start all over with the process...

I'm sure this other girl just finally realized what a dog he is and now he's left with nothing. So he figured he'd msg me..

He's not capable of feeling guilt.
 

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But realize that this call is still all about him and his feelings
Thats the truth.

AND..if you take this guy back you are only reinforcing the notion of women who choose guys that treat them like dirt, meanwhile good guys out there get no one...


Its hard to respect a woman who keeps going back to some guy that doesnt treat her well and disrespects her....
 

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SunnyD said:
Thanks for the replies.

I guess no reply is best. It was a text msg Sat. night. Caught me off guard and at first I felt all sad about, but now I feel mad. Because I was doing so good. Starting to think of him less and less...and over a month of ZERO contact was pretty damn good. Now I feel like I have to start all over with the process...

I'm sure this other girl just finally realized what a dog he is and now he's left with nothing. So he figured he'd msg me..

He's not capable of feeling guilt.
BTW, my cheating ex, who had a new GF pretty soon after I dumped him, has sent me "I miss you" and "wish the best for you" texts up til my bday a few months ago... (about a year has passed) and I am positive he isn't through. I do not answer EVER.

Whats the point? Trust me, I could go deeper into why there is no point, but I will let you think about it. I will frame the question a different way, too: What is in it for YOU?
 

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LovelyLady said:
As women, we are raised to "be nice" and not to hurt anyone's feelings. But you are not a little girl anymore. And a grown woman knows that you can't go through life without sometimes hurting people's feelings.
iqqi said:
Listen to LovelyLady she is RIGHT about EVERYTHING she posted.
Oh lord....that means there would be 50% less posts in this forum
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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SunnyD said:
I'm sure this other girl just finally realized what a dog he is and now he's left with nothing. So he figured he'd msg me..

He's not capable of feeling guilt.
Are you really that naive? He's probably still banging her and is starting to get bored and wants some variety again. However he's a lazy hunter and just goes back to where he knows he can get an easy piece.
 

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MacAvoy said:
Are you really that naive? He's probably still banging her and is starting to get bored and wants some variety again. However he's a lazy hunter and just goes back to where he knows he can get an easy piece.

Yeah, well that is definitely true. Since I've known him, before we were together, after, etc... every single girl he has ever had a "thing" with, has been either an ex, or a girl he knew from high school or college. Come to think of it, I can't ever remember a time he dated, fVcked or messed around with a "new" girl.
 
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So if she replies to his text, even if it's a negative reply, does that show him she still cares?

If she didn't care, wouldn't she just not reply at all?
 

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My Name is Nobody said:
So if she replies to his text, even if it's a negative reply, does that show him she still cares?

If she didn't care, wouldn't she just not reply at all?
I have to agree..I think I should just not reply at all. But its a double-edged swords because doesn't that then show him that I am still angry...thus, I still care???
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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SunnyD said:
I have to agree..I think I should just not reply at all. But its a double-edged swords because doesn't that then show him that I am still angry...thus, I still care???

Well I'm just trying to get insight into former flames that I have texted when I got a negative reply.

I'm looking for some sort of proof that any reply is better than no reply! LOL

I never cheated on them though.
 
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Also I think NO REPLY shows you don't care. NO reply is the worse feeling I get when I text a woman. I'd rather get a negative reply than nothing. You WANT to reply you are trying to justify it because you still care.
 

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The thing is, it has nothing to do with what he thinks. It has nothing to do with teaching him a lesson - or sending him a message through silence/withholding

If he finds out she still cares for him still in some way - so what? There is no shame in caring for someone. She is not somehow weakened or less empowered because she loves and/or cares.

But it is about loving and taking care of herself first. It IS about taking responsibility for keeping your self out of unhealthy interactions with unhealthy people. That means you don't talk to them. You don't text them. You don't meet for drinks just to catch up.

As adults, we can have romantic relationships with people that end in a respectful and honorable way. Neither party does anything to severely damage or dishonor the relationship, themselves - or the other person. So a call awhile after the breakup just to make sure the person is okay (because you genuinely do care about the well-being of the person) can be appropriate. Although with a healthy ending - that is already communicated while processing why you both realize moving forward is not the best thing to do.

But that is not what has happened here. There is no honor in the relationship she had with this man - so that is why there is no further contact. There is simply nothing of value for her to call back for. It is just that clean. Just that simple. No hidden meanings.
 

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SunnyD said:
Yeah, well that is definitely true. Since I've known him, before we were together, after, etc... every single girl he has ever had a "thing" with, has been either an ex, or a girl he knew from high school or college. Come to think of it, I can't ever remember a time he dated, fVcked or messed around with a "new" girl.
So SunnyD are you saying you're easy?

I getting an uneasy feeling when a girl gets advice from here about gaming a guy :D .
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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