"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I stand by my original statements notwithstanding subsequent submissions from the peanut gallery. Save yourself some time. As some guy put it in the archives, 'you don't build a relationship, you buy it' (not with money, i.e. you choose the right one rather than hoping things will improve).
Everyone is just watering down my azzhole comments anyway. Cheers, mintxx
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Wyldfire said:
The sad thing about this is that it's unlikely that you are going to find a woman who is as high quality as she sounds who you also are attracted to.

ok, im assuming this girl is around this guys age. so 23-27 type of thing.

a woman who dates you for 2 years but doesn't have sex with you is not high quality, she's dysfunctional.

unless she's a mormon or something, 2 years is long enough.

hey, it would be cool if she were 17 or something. but if by 23 she isn't ready to have sex after dating someone for 2 years i got news for you, her perspective on life is messed up - this is not a chic dealing with reality, but rather a reality that exist in her mind alone.

99% chance here that shes got some phobia about sex. who knows, maybe the preacher diddled her as a child. either way, she's got a 'nice' guy who isn't making sex conditional to their relationship - it works for her. unfortunately for healthy human beings a 'sexless' relationship isn't functional.
 

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tedmed said:
she didnt feel the relationship was strong from the beginning. I have a problem...i tell the truth. So when her and I started dating, and since I know her well enough to know that she doesn't just date to screw around, I told her that I wasn't 100% about us and that i wasn't sure if i wanted to be in a serious relationship. I was just being honest. Things were good between us and i really liked her and since we were so caught up with eachothers lives our relationship grew without us even realizing it. But she was always hesitant because of what i had said. Also, I'm a bit of a flirt with other girls and this has caused her to pull away a few times. She thinks that I just want to be single and that my true self comes out when i have a few drinks and start flirting. I've never cheated...but I have to admit that I do desire the single life every now and again.

ok, i hate to be tough here, but this guy is either a troll or the biggest tool in the world.

dude, she's banged other guys?! but isn't banging you after 2 years?! WHAT THE F*CK? and she's somehow got you thinking that YOU are the problem - that the "realtionship" isn't strong enough?

my god man. you know when you see the president talk on tv and think "wow, is it possible to that f*cking stupid and be the president?" - what you are saying is even more stupid!

get your head out of your *ss.
 

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Wyldfire said:
You probably wouldn't feel like you were missing out on things if the two of you were having sex. It's cool you have enough self control to live without it...but sex is a very important part of a relationship. If she were a virgin and waiting until marriage then it's cool to hold off...but in your case? There's a good chance that you won't feel the way you do now if the two of you were having sex.

wyld, this guy is self destructive. he just wasted 2 years of his life on a woman so that he can eventually walk away feeling like he got screwed and then b*tch and complain about women for the rest of his life.

or he's a troll.

if he isn't a troll he's a sad sad excuse for a man.
 

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The summary of all this is:
if she loved you she would have sex with you. ('but she has issues' - then she would fix them for you). you're a massive tool. she would respond well to someone who treated her like **** and took the azz like a pirate. someone close this thread because it'll only get nastier. mintxx
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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joekerr31 said:
ok, im assuming this girl is around this guys age. so 23-27 type of thing.

a woman who dates you for 2 years but doesn't have sex with you is not high quality, she's dysfunctional.

unless she's a mormon or something, 2 years is long enough.

hey, it would be cool if she were 17 or something. but if by 23 she isn't ready to have sex after dating someone for 2 years i got news for you, her perspective on life is messed up - this is not a chic dealing with reality, but rather a reality that exist in her mind alone.

99% chance here that shes got some phobia about sex. who knows, maybe the preacher diddled her as a child. either way, she's got a 'nice' guy who isn't making sex conditional to their relationship - it works for her. unfortunately for healthy human beings a 'sexless' relationship isn't functional.
At the time I made my first post I assumed she was religious and was waiting until marriage to have sex...and that's so rare today that you just have to respect it. However, he posted that she has had sex in the past but isn't having it with him. That puts an entirely new spin on the situation. That being said...she does still sound like someone he is otherwise very compatible with and someone who really supports him. Maybe if they have sex he will feel differently. The feelings he is having may be as simple as him feeling like he is missing out on something because he IS missing out on something...the sexual part of the relationship.
 

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joekerr31 said:
wyld, this guy is self destructive. he just wasted 2 years of his life on a woman so that he can eventually walk away feeling like he got screwed and then b*tch and complain about women for the rest of his life.

or he's a troll.

if he isn't a troll he's a sad sad excuse for a man.
Yeah, he could be a troll. He could also be telling the truth...weirder things have happened. IF he's telling the truth then he should have sex with his girlfriend to see if it changes how he feels. You know...it could be that he is the one afraid of sex. Is he a virgin? Is he afraid that he might not be able to perform? Does he have sexuality confusion? It could be a number of things besides being a troll.
 

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i stepped out for a few hours and this page blew up. I'm not a troll. I'm not sexually confused and I'm not a virgin. Back in undergrad I had many a booty call. I know I sound like a giant puss but I "repected" her and didnt want to push her into anything. The last relationship she was in was a disaster for her. I know the guy she was with and he was a complete f*ing azzhole. He really messed her up mentally. I didn't want our relationship to turn out that way.
 

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tedmed said:
i stepped out for a few hours and this page blew up. I'm not a troll. I'm not sexually confused and I'm not a virgin. Back in undergrad I had many a booty call. I know I sound like a giant puss but I "repected" her and didnt want to push her into anything. The last relationship she was in was a disaster for her. I know the guy she was with and he was a complete f*ing azzhole. He really messed her up mentally. I didn't want our relationship to turn out that way.

your relationship IS messed up. she is messed up. you are mess up for putting up with this for 2 years.

either accept your relationship is messed up or get out.

what do you want people here to do? to tell you that it makes sense to be 25 and with a woman for 2 years with no sex?

personally i think you are a troll. because if you aren't then you are simply dull for anyone here to be able to get through to you.

the problem with giving dull people advice is that they aren't smart enough to understand it.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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The guy obviously cares about her. To say things like "**** the wh0re and dump her" is totally lame and I feel sorry for guys who think this way.

Either leave her untouched and move on, or take the relationship deeper by having sex and giving it an honest shot.
 
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