Breaking Point

[Solomon]

A couple years ago I use to hit the field with a Mack from another site. We one night had a discussion on what it would take to hold women accountable for poor behavior i.e. flaking, branch swinging, sluttyness etc. The guy looked me in the eye and told me this

"It would take every man to call out a women everytime she acted poor, this is the only way it would work, the problem is that men are to weak for Pu$$y to do this"​

I thought about this often and I realized the guy was right but with WK's doing whatever it takes this was impossible. One thing we preach on this site is spinning plates and walking away. But what if a women disrespects your blatantly when walking away isn't enough? what if after a accumulation of poor behavior you snap and reach a "breaking point"? Yes I get it you should spin plates and become the prize. But when you're in the transition period where you can see the end game (being the prize) but are in the process it takes time.

I know guys will say it doesn't matter but there has to be a point where you have to be a man and set your foot down, you gotta have boundaries?

Last week I got flaked on by 3 different chicks only one chick was a plate (chick number 3)

1. One was suppose to come over and just dissapreared
2. Claimed that her sciatica was flaring up
3. 21 and Super Flakey

One thing I noticed on this site is that we are quick to call out the guy for failing not to do enough. We blame a guy for failing to get the girl interested, or being to needy or supplicating etc. Whilst these are valid points, people seem to forget that it takes two to tango. The women always seems to get a pass for something that we fail to do. Is it really a guys fault for hooking up with a chick but the girl blowing him of after he tries to see her again? or for a girl to flake saying her friend is in a coma just to butt dial the guy later in a loud night club (yes these happened to me)

I was just reading this article about Roissy when he was going through a similar phase as I

Back to the scenario of the girl who texts a day late. It just so happens that I put the “calling out” theory to the test about four years ago when I went through a string of dates and flings with about fifteen girls in two months. Three of the girls totally flaked on me: two cancelled a first date at the last minute and one stood me up. A fourth girl took forever to reply to my texts. I was pissed at these flakes and was searching for a fail-safe method to deal with them and bolster my dignity in the process. At that time, I had been hearing a lot from a couple of naturals I knew who claimed that they never hesitated to call girls out on their ****ty behavior. They recommended I do the same. Up till then, I was fairly content to just ignore or tease girls when they acted out their female flake algorithm.

To the two girls who cancelled at the last minute, I texted one and left a voicemail with the other expressing my displeasure along the lines of (paraphrasing) “My time is valuable. Last minute blow-offs are not cool.” To the girl who stood me up, I left an angrier text telling her not to make plans if she wasn’t going to see them through. The fourth girl who waited forever to reply to my texts got this in response: “I don’t hang with girls who can’t be bothered to text back in a reasonable time frame.”

The idea here was to rattle the girls with a strong, but non-needy, alpha display that they normally didn’t experience from most men they flaked on. In theory, it sounded plausible. However, in practice it was a total failure. None of the girls ever replied to my stern rebukes.

Conclusion: disciplining prospects = failed game.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/should-you-call-out-a-girls-bad-behavior/

While I agree with this article sometimes "Ignoring". "teasing", "Misdirecting" are futile if the girl doesn't care or already lost interest. Basically you are giving her an easy way out

what about calling out a girl from bad behavior whom you already have slept with? or are dating?

I called out a girl the other night for blowing me off after we hooked up and it wasn't pretty did I feel better afterwards? NO but there comes a point where you can't just walk away if someone disrespects you. It's ok to have pride and principle even if women don't

Thoughts?

 

[Tictac]

Don't waste your time or your thoughts on flakes.

Nothing anyone ever does affects you. You permit what other people do to affect you. You take what they do or say and elect how it affects you.

So choose how and what you allow to affect you. The actions and words of others, especially women, mean no more than what you allow them to mean.

 

[Solomon]

Don't waste your time or your thoughts on flakes.

Nothing anyone ever does affects you. You permit what other people do to affect you. You take what they do or say and elect how it affects you.

So choose how and what you allow to affect you. The actions and words of others, especially women, mean no more than what you allow them to mean.

Tic, that's brilliant....

That mind set is easy whilst in abundance but when it's a drought, yikes scarcity is a motherphucker

 

[Married Buried]

A couple years ago I use to hit the field with a Mack from another site. We one night had a discussion on what it would take to hold women accountable for poor behavior i.e. flaking, branch swinging, sluttyness etc. The guy looked me in the eye and told me this

"It would take every man to call out a women everytime she acted poor, this is the only way it would work, the problem is that men are to weak for Pu$$y to do this"​

I thought about this often and I realized the guy was right but with WK's doing whatever it takes this was impossible. One thing we preach on this site is spinning plates and walking away. But what if a women disrespects your blatantly when walking away isn't enough? what if after a accumulation of poor behavior you snap and reach a "breaking point"? Yes I get it you should spin plates and become the prize. But when you're in the transition period where you can see the end game (being the prize) but are in the process it takes time.

I know guys will say it doesn't matter but there has to be a point where you have to be a man and set your foot down, you gotta have boundaries?

Last week I got flaked on by 3 different chicks only one chick was a plate (chick number 3)

1. One was suppose to come over and just dissapreared
2. Claimed that her sciatica was flaring up
3. 21 and Super Flakey

One thing I noticed on this site is that we are quick to call out the guy for failing not to do enough. We blame a guy for failing to get the girl interested, or being to needy or supplicating etc. Whilst these are valid points, people seem to forget that it takes two to tango. The women always seems to get a pass for something that we fail to do. Is it really a guys fault for hooking up with a chick but the girl blowing him of after he tries to see her again? or for a girl to flake saying her friend is in a coma just to butt dial the guy later in a loud night club (yes these happened to me)

I was just reading this article about Roissy when he was going through a similar phase as I



http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/should-you-call-out-a-girls-bad-behavior/

While I agree with this article sometimes "Ignoring". "teasing", "Misdirecting" are futile if the girl doesn't care or already lost interest. Basically you are giving her an easy way out

what about calling out a girl from bad behavior whom you already have slept with? or are dating?

I called out a girl the other night for blowing me off after we hooked up and it wasn't pretty did I feel better afterwards? NO but there comes a point where you can't just walk away if someone disrespects you. It's ok to have pride and principle even if women don't

Thoughts?

If you want to call these hoes out, then do it the right way. Don't be all nice trying to save dignity. Tell them the truth. I never had a problem with it when they REALLY ticked me off. I would usually do something like this:

"F/ck off. You are low class. No wonder you can't keep a man."

Actually my way has a better chance of a reply. We know they don't like nice guys, so why be nice when you call them out? Doesn't make sense.

Usually the "low class" part really ticked them off. One time I got back with a chic I cussed out, and she admitted the low class comment made her cry. She said it "really hurt her".

I understand if it's not your style but when you get to the breaking point I don't care about dignity. Let her have it. I felt better after doing this then trying to be all nice about it.

 

[backbreaker]

I've told this story about 20 times on this forum but i will tell it again. it was one of my better moments in plate spinning history lol


I met this chick, Amber at dillards. she was cute, she asked me how old i was, i knew she was into me so i asked for her number and I got it. We set up a movie date for the following day I believe which was a sunday night. So i wash my car, i haven't been on a real date with a hot woman in like 3 years at this point i was 21. So I call her, doesn't pick up.


call her the next day, her phone died. her bad. let's do it again in a few days i will be ready. i'm like whatever okay. so I do the same thing. wash the car, get fresh and clean. bam. stood up.

i thought veryw ell about just not calling her again and i would have been in my right to do such. she honestly hurt my feelings. keep in mind i haven't had a real date in 3 years, my ego was still pretty fragile at this point.


If it weren't for the book how to succeed with women lol, i would have left her alone. there is a part of the book that talks about this specific instance and how to deal with it.

So I said okay, , the next saturday i get clean, i go to her job, she says hi and starts working into her excuse and i cut her off and i'm like look amber here is the deal. I'll cut to the chase. You are cute, i am feeling you, you seem like a cool fun person to be around and i would love the chance to get to know you better. However, you have stood me up twice now. I'm not mad at you, but this is what's going to happen.

I'm going to take you out this coming saturday. I"m going to pick you up and you are goiung to go out with me. IF you stand me up again, I won;t' be mad but I promise that i will never call you again. If that's fine with you than cool, but this is your last chance I don't care what else you have going on

Apparently some gina tingling went on at this point beucase the fliop switched in her head. she called me the next day and wanted to move the date up to that night (the weekend was a few days away), i picked her up, no problem, we had a kick ass time, one of the better dates i've ever been on to this day.

she told me in time that it never was really me, she had just gotten out of a long relationship and wasn't 100% over him. But me making that stand told her that she liked me enough to not let me go without giving me a shot.

she would end up being my girlfriend about 6 months later.

 

[Solomon]

More Red Pill

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=207528

Sometimes this site seems to expect zen buddhism from men. We need to use methods that are more realistic.

I like that post, it's totally agaisnt the grain here, heck the fact that Roissy even tried this lets me know its a problem.

I understand if it's not your style but when you get to the breaking point I don't care about dignity. Let her have it. I felt better after doing this then trying to be all nice about it.

The problem with calling a skank out is they don't care usually women are heartless if they are not invested, it's even to a point where you can bang a woman mutiple times and she will show no emotion espeically when she is in the process of a full on branch swing

Bottom-line, when you chase the girls, they WILL flake and run away. When you generate attraction and just don't care, flaking is never a problem.

Your assuming I'm only talking about night time gaming, whilst what you Say in theory is a 100% spot on and even Pooktastic, in reality this is harder to execute.

 

[JoeMarron]

The problem lies not in the behavior of girls (even though yes they are hell @ss flakey), but in your approach.


If you are trying to arrange a get-together where she flakes on you, you are going about the whole process wrong. This is probably my number one beef with the PUA's.

Going out, should be HER idea. You are just the fun, cool, dominant guy going about his business having a great time. You tease her now and then but you generally ignore her when in the company of others.

Over time, she WILL make her interest known and she WILL isolate you to get her chance to escalate.

The problem most men have at this point, is then after a sex or make-out session with the girl, they become super needy.

Bottom-line, when you chase the girls, they WILL flake and run away. When you generate attraction and just don't care, flaking is never a problem.

Golden. The harder a man pursues, the more he wants a woman, the less likely he is of getting her. Let the woman pursue, let her become invested, let her put her ego on the line. I mentioned this in another thread but I'll say it again here. Who would you guys say is the better DJ; the man who pursues women, and eventually seduces them and forms a steady rotation or the man who just lives his life and has a slew of women pursuing him while he barely puts any effort into them?

Sometimes this site seems to expect zen buddhism from men. We need to use methods that are more realistic.

Lol I think zen Buddhism should be the ideal. Complete and utter indifference should be what every man should strive for

 

[Solomon]

Golden. The harder a man pursues, the more he wants a woman, the less likely he is of getting her. Let the woman pursue, let her become invested, let her put her ego on the line. I mentioned this in another thread but I'll say it again here. Who would you guys say is the better DJ; the man who pursues women, and eventually seduces them and forms a steady rotation or the man who just lives his life and has a slew of women pursuing him while he barely puts any effort into them?

Great

awesome

any real life examples on how you make women chase ya? a couple of real life stories would be fine besides theory and rheotric talk

 

[JoeMarron]

Great

awesome

any real life examples on how you make women chase ya? a couple of real life stories would be fine besides theory and rheotric talk

Hah I'll be the first to admit that I don't do any field work but based on my limited experience it works. I rarely text, call, set up dates, pretty much anything dealing with initiating contact and the woman ends up doing it instead. Psychology will tell you that humans are naturally wired to care more about something or someone the more they invest in it. I remember reading one of Danger's threads that I think is a good example of how not pursuing women will end up having them pursue you http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=209311. Since he's taken he's naturally not going to care about the outcome which is always attractive to women. Like you said though adopting this mindset during a drought is easier said than done.

Edit: Dammit I didn't realize this was the Mature Man forum

 

[HumbleNinja]

Great

awesome

any real life examples on how you make women chase ya? a couple of real life stories would be fine besides theory and rheotric talk

Solo,

Anyone's real life example doesn't mean much since not all chicks are the same except they're all operating on emotions and estrogen.

The only thing I'd tell them is: "Look. I'm not here to control you and cannot control anyone. Do you."

The ball is then in their court as I move on. No time to waste trying different tactics that may or may not work. Cut to the chase right away. Or do what backbreaker did which is laying it on the line. If they don't accept that. Then peace the fvck out.

 

[Crissco]

I noticed it depends on how you say it. I used to call girls out, out of anger, it never worked and made them run away. Now i saw this:

"Well it seems you want to do everything except hang out and meet up with me. I dont have time for that, im a busy guy, I wish you the best and good luck "

That worked for me, 50% of the time. Still all comes down to interest level though.

Then i back off. Wait a while to text her, she usually sends two texts. I know i got her from there, and keep that frame.

 

[Married Buried]

The problem with calling a skank out is they don't care usually women are heartless if they are not invested, it's even to a point where you can bang a woman mutiple times and she will show no emotion espeically when she is in the process of a full on branch swing

If you don't want to call her out and insult her, then just go with this when they flake. This is what I went with most of the time but when they really really ticked me off I would let them have it.

Actually, that works better for me, my schedule today is bit hectic! I will give you a shout later on so we can make other plans

 

[Jitterbug]

I've tried many "calling out" ways. I don't get butthurt, but can be annoyed at times as it's my time - a man's most precious resource - they're disrespecting. Maybe I haven't found the right methods, but none of the calling outs ever worked, as Roissy noted. In theory yes, in practice, the shameless hamster is too strong.

The only thing that's worked for me is radio silence. A day or so later, if they have any medium+ interest, they will contact me again to apologize in a roundabout way, and I can proceed from a chasee's position.

 

[bodybyvi]

thats really nice to know about that. i think its not that waste of time thinking on Flakes.

 

[Slickster]

any real life examples on how you make women chase ya? a couple of real life stories would be fine besides theory and rheotric talk

Sure Sollie,

Here's one. http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=152688

You might remember this guy!

 

[Driggs]

I think saying anything negative just looks bad. I can't think of many cases at all where I said anything unpleasant and ended up getting anything I wanted from women.

Probably much better just to move to the next one on the calling list.

 

[Solomon]

I think saying anything negative just looks bad. I can't think of many cases at all where I said anything unpleasant and ended up getting anything I wanted from women.

Probably much better just to move to the next one on the calling list.

I guess but it's maddening that women can disrespect us and were suppose to just take it. If you show up late for a job interview or not at all you know what happens 99% of the time? you don't get the job.

But I feel ya and you preaching the truth

repped

In theory yes, in practice, the shameless hamster is too strong.

It's sad but true, a woman can get caught cheating red handed but will still rationalize it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FR5nlkecCU

Sure Sollie,

Here's one. http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=152688

You might remember this guy!

That guy was wearing #23 I'm wearing #45 with a hobbled hip right about now

:crackup:

 

[Married Buried]

Hell, I have another girl, Ukrainian, who has texted me for the FOURTH time in the last month to get drinks with her. She is banging hot and used to work at the same place as me. There was an "introduction party" where everybody got to meet her and she was the center of attention. I didn't go. Everybody fawned over her and I barely said anything.

Until, one day, in the kitchen as I was leaving while she was making tea (I never said a word to her).....she chased after me and asked "where are you running off to so fast? we never even chat".

Then, I knew it was game on. I was the cool, funny, dominant, confident guy who ignored her. And she couldn't stand it. The next time I saw her, we chatted a bit and she $hit tested me....

Ukraine Chic: Are you shorter than me
Danger: Take off your shoes
Ukraine Chic: <Takes off her shoes, stands next to me>
Danger: Apparently in your dreams


Long story short, she left the company a year ago or so, ran into me at a retirement party and hinted that she wanted to get together. And guess what, she's married.

What's the Ukranian womans husband like? Is he cool and schooled in the game or is he a chode who went and got her because he could get no other woman? If you are that guy, I can guarantee she will leave you. I have also heard Ukranian women are gold digging b!tches. Who knows man. You know I recommend latinas if you go the foreign woman route. I have dated alot of Latinas and don't really have a bad thing to say, except for this one who was an alcoholic. And this other one who was married but to an old chode who went and got her because he could get nobody else and he was like twice her age. I banged her and dumped her and then she left her husband as soon as she got citizenship, and married some young guy her age and had a kid.. She is happy now at least.

 

[synergy1]

Bro, I went though a similar phase where women were ( and still are) flaking nearly 95% of the time. Its unreal, and frustrating as fvck. Part of what killed my game was expressing how angry or displeased I was at their ****ty behavior. This did nothing but show weakness on my end.

Think of women as spoiled kids. they act like they do because they can. There are no repercussions for their actions. So why would they care what you have to say about them? They will rationalize it out in their heads and move on...women move on very easily and very quickly. Words do nothing.

Its best just to move on.

 

[Solomon]

Bro, I went though a similar phase where women were ( and still are) flaking nearly 95% of the time. Its unreal, and frustrating as fvck. Part of what killed my game was expressing how angry or displeased I was at their ****ty behavior. This did nothing but show weakness on my end.

Think of women as spoiled kids. they act like they do because they can. There are no repercussions for their actions. So why would they care what you have to say about them? They will rationalize it out in their heads and move on...women move on very easily and very quickly. Words do nothing.

Its best just to move on.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to synergy1 again.

I've seen women who have been called out by a group of people change their behavior real quick

Also if you corner them like rat a woman will have to face reality

But even then they can rationalize it, it's like women have no accountability what so ever