Breaking a group of four with two

[Outofexile]

Ok I need some advise here. Last weekend, my buddy and I were out and at this kind of more upscale martini bar. There was a group of four women of variance degrees of attractiveness (1-0, 1-8, 1-6, 1-4). Well they werent drinking much and dressed pretty nice.

Anyway, how do you break into a group like that? I mean, obviously two guys mean two women arent going to get that much attention. And they left probably within 15 min of us getting there. I spoke to the 8 when they were leaving and she was pretty responsive but they were heading to a downtown bar and we were invited but we wound up not going. I just thought chasing a woman to a bar would be a significant decrease in social value. The place we met them at was a classy place and they looked to be more upscale/classy women so odds are they will be back.

My question is, obviously the best situation would be 2 on 2, therefore everyone wins. But 2 on 4 means two are heading elsewhere and likely to request the other two come along. What do you do to break the group? I mean, obviously you cant entertain all four for long and the 9 in the group kept texting someone and the 4, well she just sucked.

So how do you isolate the two away from the four in this situation?

 

[DJArlington]

i ran into a similar scenario trying to break two into 1 - man it was hard. i wasn't able to do it.

 

[WC2]

You don't isolate. Or at least you don't have to.

Women love when men approach them. Whether they admit or not, they enjoy the fact that they have been approached.

Even more so, when there are more women than men, women feel less intimidated by the men and more intimidated by the women they are with. As soon as any of these guys spark attraction, the women usually go into a mental cage match to prove who's the better women for these men. If you spark enough interest, it's actually pretty funny. Women will send physical cues that they are trying to cut off their other friends from talking.

But the trick is sparking attraction. Break into this group as if you were penetrating a vagina. That means, approach the group head on and ballsy. The second you second-guess yourself, the women will notice and turn away. Be bold with your words and show them that you're not afraid to talk to a group of women.

Hell, I've seen 1 guy break into a group of 4 women and spark attraction within seconds. 2 guys on 4 women is NOT a problem and my buds and I have done it many times. The trick is to be spontaneous and to keep their attention by asking questions (not of the ordinary.. your name or location) and looking around at all of them enthusiastically as you talk.

The more serious the conversation, the more awkward. After all, you've broke into a group of 4 women, you don't really think they want to talk about something serious do you? NO! They want to be entertained as they decide which of you is the prize to be.

To recap :

Approach all the women and open to all of them as one big question/statement.

Never stagger

Give them something to laugh about and spark some attraction

Introduce yourselves and take an exit

Relax and move on to the next group.

NOW, if you'd like to isolate, now is the time. You've already sparked some attraction (easily) by just telling a few jokes. You've shown you're overly confident by approaching 4 women at the same time. AND you've already made an introduction so the isolation is not awkward.

Approaching groups of women is one of my favorites. Do it!

 

[Outofexile]

Ok so I understand breaking into the group and giving them entertainment but at the end of your scenerio, you moved on. My goal was to get numbers, etc. I just dont see how you can get far with a woman if she is being pulled away from committed friends or friends that arent getting your or your buddies attention.

But to get numbers and success, how do you split them to isolate?

 

[WC2]

Ok so I understand breaking into the group and giving them entertainment but at the end of your scenerio, you moved on. My goal was to get numbers, etc. I just dont see how you can get far with a woman if she is being pulled away from committed friends or friends that arent getting your or your buddies attention.

But to get numbers and success, how do you split them to isolate?

Patience? Number closes are creepy unless you build some rapport. The whole point of moving on from the group is NOT overstaying your welcome and leaving a lasting impression. Later on, coming back and isolating on one of the women you want to is the way to go.

 

[ready123]

dude, you don't need to isolate to get a number, you just need all her friends to think you're cool

 

[WC2]

dude, you don't need to isolate to get a number, you just need all her friends to think you're cool

But who really wants just a number close? You have to isolate eventually to escalate. Might as well do it sooner than later.

 

[AKA FLEX]

But who really wants just a number close? You have to isolate eventually to escalate. Might as well do it sooner than later.

Agreed. If you meet a chick at a bar or club, ALWAYS go for the f-close and not the number close. When it comes to these types of venues, your best chance BY FAR of getting anywhere with a girl is THE NIGHT YOU MEET HER.

 

[darkjedi]

You don't isolate. Or at least you don't have to.

Women love when men approach them. Whether they admit or not, they enjoy the fact that they have been approached.

Even more so, when there are more women than men, women feel less intimidated by the men and more intimidated by the women they are with. As soon as any of these guys spark attraction, the women usually go into a mental cage match to prove who's the better women for these men. If you spark enough interest, it's actually pretty funny. Women will send physical cues that they are trying to cut off their other friends from talking.

But the trick is sparking attraction. Break into this group as if you were penetrating a vagina. That means, approach the group head on and ballsy. The second you second-guess yourself, the women will notice and turn away. Be bold with your words and show them that you're not afraid to talk to a group of women.

Hell, I've seen 1 guy break into a group of 4 women and spark attraction within seconds. 2 guys on 4 women is NOT a problem and my buds and I have done it many times. The trick is to be spontaneous and to keep their attention by asking questions (not of the ordinary.. your name or location) and looking around at all of them enthusiastically as you talk.

The more serious the conversation, the more awkward. After all, you've broke into a group of 4 women, you don't really think they want to talk about something serious do you? NO! They want to be entertained as they decide which of you is the prize to be.

To recap :

Approach all the women and open to all of them as one big question/statement.

Never stagger

Give them something to laugh about and spark some attraction

Introduce yourselves and take an exit

Relax and move on to the next group.

NOW, if you'd like to isolate, now is the time. You've already sparked some attraction (easily) by just telling a few jokes. You've shown you're overly confident by approaching 4 women at the same time. AND you've already made an introduction so the isolation is not awkward.

Approaching groups of women is one of my favorites. Do it!

This pretty much sums up how you should handle opening a group of women. The main thing I'd like to restate is that you want to build up a good comfort level with the group. WC2 has given a great way to do this. Once they are comfortable with you, you can easily isolate your target(s) by excusing yourself and the target(s) for a few moments and the group will not object. This is when you would get the number and see what else they are doing for the night.

Going for more than the number however is very tough due to the logistics of the situation. You don't know if she came with someone, or if she was the driver, she may not want to look like a slvt in front of her friends and also one of her friends could just simply not like you no matter what you do and block your attempts. Unless your target is has extremely high interest in you, getting her to bounce with you prob won't happen and I would just settle for the number.

 

[ready123]

But who really wants just a number close? You have to isolate eventually to escalate. Might as well do it sooner than later.

I was answering the OP's question directly

and you're acting like you can always isolate and go for an f-close, which is not true because of this thing called logistics. in those cases it's better to number close and go for a day 2. that "your best chance of getting with her is the night you meet her" rule is bullsht

 

[WC2]

I was answering the OP's question directly

and you're acting like you can always isolate and go for an f-close, which is not true because of this thing called logistics. in those cases it's better to number close and go for a day 2. that "your best chance of getting with her is the night you meet her" rule is bullsht

Well... you can go for the f-close before any number close. You can go for the f-close before the name-close. I've seen it done. I've done it. It's in the realm of possibility.. actually it's not all that hard once you understand what women really want.. to F!

That's really the only way I can answer that