"Boycott KFC (Kentucky Fried Cruelty)"

[Ken785]

But i"m black.. I'm genetically programmed to be weakened around anything that clucks

haha youre hilarious bro...

 

[ConantheLibertarian]

Eh I can type out a long response to this, but Maddox already did it, and destroyed the entire premise of PETA in the process. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

 

[The Forms]

Eh I can type out a long response to this, but Maddox already did it, and destroyed the entire premise of PETA in the process. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

That is really one of the weakest arguments I've heard in a long time. Here are his premises followed by his conclusion.

A) eating wheat entails animals dying
B) vegetarians are against animals dying
C) animals die because of vegetarians
D) vegetarians are hypocrites
therefore,
D) everyone can eat as much meat as he wants.

absolute crap. It's an entertaining read, but the guy who wrote it needs to take a logic class someday. I actually clicked around a little and this guy in general doesn't make good arguments, just entertaining ones.

 

[Bonhomme]

Animals get eaten by other animals in FAR more painful and cruel ways in the wild. Its called the food chain and thats just how **** works.

Perhaps, but at least they're not tortured for their whole miserable lives.

I avoid factory farmed chicken as much for the female hormones and antibiotics the disease-ridden critters have pumped into them as for ethical reasons. Those estrogens make people soft & fat just like they do the birds.

 

[KarmaSutra]

I avoid factory farmed chicken as much for the female hormones and antibiotics the disease-ridden critters have pumped into them as for ethical reasons. Those estrogens make people soft & fat just like they do the birds.

Caged free, farm fresh. Just like Kramers' rooster.

 

[Last Man Standing]

I LOVE CHICKEN!!!!
But I do have sympathy for them - I actually cried in the movie "Chicken Run"

 

[Roly]

I fvckin love KFC. Its up there with my fair share of guilty pleasures- watching stupid MTV reality shows late at night, reading Ladies Home Journal
and drinking soy milk.

 

[ConantheLibertarian]

That is really one of the weakest arguments I've heard in a long time. Here are his premises followed by his conclusion.

A) eating wheat entails animals dying
B) vegetarians are against animals dying
C) animals die because of vegetarians
D) vegetarians are hypocrites
therefore,
D) everyone can eat as much meat as he wants.

absolute crap. It's an entertaining read, but the guy who wrote it needs to take a logic class someday. I actually clicked around a little and this guy in general doesn't make good arguments, just entertaining ones.

Yeah it is more entertaining than logical, but I agree with the main premise that vegi nazis as hypocrites. They contribute to animals dying, but as long as it's unintentional it's fine. Is death somehow differentiated by cause and intent? They argue that it is. They think a cow being raised for slaughter and getting slaughtered is worse than field animals being grinded up as a side effect of wheat being harvested. At least the animals being slaughtered suffer for a purpose, feeding people.

 

[The Forms]

Yeah it is more entertaining than logical, but I agree with the main premise that vegi nazis as hypocrites. They contribute to animals dying, but as long as it's unintentional it's fine. Is death somehow differentiated by cause and intent? They argue that it is. They think a cow being raised for slaughter and getting slaughtered is worse than field animals being grinded up as a side effect of wheat being harvested. At least the animals being slaughtered suffer for a purpose, feeding people.

Well, vegetarians have absolutely no control over the combines killing some animals. This is just a limatation people have to live with. vegetarians are never going to be able to get farms to harvest wheat without combines. Period. So it's a pretty lame argument to hold it against them, being that it is out of their control. And in NO WAY can it be corrolated to "we should all eat meat then."

Even though some animals will have to die, it doesn't follow that it's ok to kill as many animals as we want. That's the main fallacy in the maddoxx article.

Also, a lot of the issue has to do with quality of life with these animals. A lot of the reason you don't feel bad for a rabbit that gets chewed up in a combine is because the rabbitt got to lead a free rabbit life before his death. A lot of the argument against the chickens used in fast food is that they are treated inhumanely and go crazy while they are alive. They don't have good lives before they die (like animals in the wild do).

The whole "well, they suffer for a purpose" argument is lame too. One of the most basic things we teach our children about ethics is that you can not harm someone more than is absolutely necessary. All this harm is done to these animals because it is convenient and profitable, but most of it is hardly necessary. These animals could be used as food without all the suffering (granted it would cost a LOT more, but philosophy is never about prudence).

 

[Bible_Belt]

Chickens have it pretty rough as far as food animals go; beef cattle probably have the best lives. If you put a hen house in the cow field, the eggs become "free range." Chickens raised for egg production are as miserable as any animal, yet eggs are still considered vegetarian food. Some dairy cattle are treated poorly, yet about every vegetarian eats cheese and dairy products.

The animals we eat are, on the whole, at least as intelligent as the average mutt dog. I remember the tic-tac-toe playing chicken from the state fair, and my family raises cattle; occassionally a calf has to be raised by hand, and those cows are like pets; I've seen dumber dogs. Also, there was a recent study that found that goldfish are equally as intelligent as dolphins. Animal intelligence and consciousness is at best poorly understood.

 

[backbreaker]

actually that's not an accurate statement. Mutts are highly intelligent... just ugly. Mutts are usually smarter and have better health than full blooded animals. It's the whole inbreeding/outbreeding senerio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-breed_dog

 

[Bible_Belt]

For toy dogs and for animals bred only for physical characteristics, like a blue collie I once had, I have seen some moronic purebreds, I agree. But at least for German Shepherds, it's a very rare mutt from the pound that could compare to an animal with a champion bloodline.

 

[backbreaker]

don't get me started on breeding...

I will use horse racing analogy because that's what I do (which is why I know alot about breeding)

Inbreeding versus outbreeding


One of the main problems today in horse racing is that in our alure of building horses with speed, we bred alot of the same horses to realitives of themselvs, not only replicating the traits you want (speed, coat color, etc) but replcating the unwanted traits... Fu Peg babies being unmagable, decents of Storm Cat are not built porportaionly and seem to peak at a VERY early age, and are very unsound meaning they don't get to get to the track often.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/scat+daddy

take a look that the pedigree of scat daddy above. Look at the visible crosses above. All in all, he has Scat Daddy had 10 crosses of Phalaris and was inbred 2 X 4 to Mr. P. Phalaris is one of the most unsound race horses in history.

So to accomplish the good (speed, distance) you had to take the bad (unsoundness).. and what's the result? he retired yesterday because of his bad feet. he had bad feet from the day he was born. he will go to shed and product other horses with bad feet, and so on and so on.

On the other hand, a horse like Invasor, who retired because of a freak injury last Saturday, has raced 12 times, over a span of 3 years.. which for the caliber of horse he is and the money at stake, more than enough. VERY sound race horse, which was the result of virtually no crosses... he was bred by an American stallion to an Argentinan mare

Back to my point. Yes German Shepard's are smart. I had one. That is one of the deseriable traits that are passed on, as well as they coat, etc. The BAD traits in German shepherds, that could be reduced by breeding outside of it's bred are arthritis, bad eyes later in life, knee problems.

Keep in mind how closely related alot of these pure breeds really are. there aren't THAT many pure bred German Shepard's, alot of the breeders don't think about stuff like that.

when you bred to animals together and they have common pedigrees, the good and the bad traits are magnified.

 

[BlackJackal]

That's too funny! Man what is it with that; why do you guys like chicken so much????

Lol...same reason we like other foods, it taste good. Thought I prefer Popeyes chicken.

 

[BlackJackal]

believe it or not I hate fried chicken.. i'm not a big fried food anything guy


and get this......i'm allergic to watermelon

I'll eat smoothred chiecken until I turn blue however


I'm techincally 85%black and 15%white (my mom's dad is white)

I'm allergic to watermelon too. I wasn't always though.

 

[BlackJackal]

BISCUTS/1!! YOU ARE GOING TO ARUGE WITH ME OVER BISCUITS!!!!

Best biscuits in the country:

1) Red Lobster (if they told me they put crack in their .. i would believe them. I will go there and literary eat 15 and take 10 home.. my fav restaurant even though it's not the most expensive, i will savage everything on the menue... srimp scampi..ummmm.. )


2) Dixie Cafe (Very basic... but throw some butter on them and I will eat them by the handful. they are soft and scrumptious... these and their fried corn on the cob...

3) KFC (honey..butter.. doesn't matter. they are soft and GREAT!)

Yes, Red Lobsters are the best. In fact I got a lady who works in RL. Told me that those biscuits are simply made with bisquik,cheddered cheese (powdered maybe), garlic powder, and butter. I'ma end makin a land fill of those...lol.

 

[backbreaker]

I don't eat alot of 'soul food'.. not becuase i'm above it.. my mom couldn't cook growing up so I basically just put crap together... whatevers whatever. when my mom burned black eyed peas.. I pretty much told her to put the skillet down. my mom's best dish is Mexican chicken which is mouth watering good.

I've grown a liking for Italian food. It's what I cook most nights than not. I'm warming up ziti & garlic bread now

however... I'd kill someone over some yams

 

[KarmaSutra]

I fvckin love KFC. Its up there with my fair share of guilty pleasures- watching stupid MTV reality shows late at night, reading Ladies Home Journal
and drinking soy milk.

3 out of 4 reasons why I now believe you're gay :crackup:

 

[backbreaker]

i've never had soy anything in my life.

 

[ConantheLibertarian]

Well, vegetarians have absolutely no control over the combines killing some animals. This is just a limatation people have to live with. vegetarians are never going to be able to get farms to harvest wheat without combines. Period. So it's a pretty lame argument to hold it against them, being that it is out of their control. And in NO WAY can it be corrolated to "we should all eat meat then."

Even though some animals will have to die, it doesn't follow that it's ok to kill as many animals as we want. That's the main fallacy in the maddoxx article.

Also, a lot of the issue has to do with quality of life with these animals. A lot of the reason you don't feel bad for a rabbit that gets chewed up in a combine is because the rabbitt got to lead a free rabbit life before his death. A lot of the argument against the chickens used in fast food is that they are treated inhumanely and go crazy while they are alive. They don't have good lives before they die (like animals in the wild do).

The whole "well, they suffer for a purpose" argument is lame too. One of the most basic things we teach our children about ethics is that you can not harm someone more than is absolutely necessary. All this harm is done to these animals because it is convenient and profitable, but most of it is hardly necessary. These animals could be used as food without all the suffering (granted it would cost a LOT more, but philosophy is never about prudence).

I'm not trying to correlate it to "we should all eat meat then". I'm just saying they either need to realize suffering is unavoidable if the human race wants to survive in comfort. Or they need to start championing the plight of the field animals to avoid their "unintentional" hypocrisy.

I don't think it's ok to kill as many as we want. But there is nothing wrong with killing as many as are needed to feed people. Fine you can make the argument that if KFC didn't exist people still wouldn't be starving. But that's capitalism . And I think it's perfectly valid to point out that animals dying in a field for nothing is far worse than a cow being slaughtered to put food on people's tables, regardless of their quality of life.

I agree animals who are born to die deserve better, and if PETA only existed to do a worthy job of fighting for that, I'd have no beef (pun intended ). But it seems a whole sub culture has been borne out of their ideology which wants to make you feel guilty for having a burger.