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Bootcamps are Useless

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I'm not talking about the ones that RSD or MM do, but the ones we see here on the forum.

Be it following someone elses, or making your own - it's pointless.

Once you make your first approach, everything after that is smooth sailing. Your first approach of the day (it isn't a permanent thing) is the hardest one, after that it just gets easier and easier and your anxiety starts to go away.

Don't do this bull**** make eye contact with 50 people one day, say hi to 50 people the next. Just get to the point. Making eye contact with people is going to help you make eye contact with people, not get you to approach them.

Jump into the ****ing pool, don't use the steps.
 

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I never did a boot camp.

But I don't think they're pointless. The whole point of a bootcamp is to change the way you think through basic conditioning. It's one of the most effective ways of changing a person's way of thinking.

Militaries of the world have used this technique for thousands of years.

Repetition, conditioning, and shock can change you permanantly, and as far as I can tell, that's the idea.
 

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So conditioning doesn't work!!?... ok... LOL!!!

See its easy for you to say jump into the deep end of the pool. Telling that to a deeply shy person is the equivalent of telling a guy who's paralyzed from the neck down "Oh quit fooling around, just get up and start walking already".

It's true that in the end you have to tackle the real challenge directly. But for certain people it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too big a jump. I know, coz I was there... I'd spent 14 hours at a time going around just to get myself to do ONE approach... every day... weeks on end. Wasted years that way. But when I took it slow... (asking for directions, then graduating to the time, then the HIs, then to chit-chat, then to compliments)... 1 year ago I got to the point where I could approach any girl, anywhere.

You can't tell someone to "lift themselves by their own bootstraps", when they don't have any bootstraps to begin with!!!! :crazy:

Crazy advice... Doesn't work. Just wastes time...
 

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I never specially went out to do a "bootcamp", I think the whole idea is silly and counter to my personality.

What I do is just be more social in every day situations. I flirt and act playful with women throughout the day when I think the situation is right. Just the other day I got into great rapport with receptionist at std clinic (I know, bad place to sarge!).

I began by greeting people when getting on elevator, just being overall friendly. Introducing more smiling into everday life has help me a lot too.

I found out that I put too much pressure on myself in the past to be super-interesting when chatting up strangers. It doesn't matter, at all. Whatever mistakes you make will get calibrated over time as you talk more.
 

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Crux said:
I'm not talking about the ones that RSD or MM do, but the ones we see here on the forum.

Be it following someone elses, or making your own - it's pointless.

Once you make your first approach, everything after that is smooth sailing. Your first approach of the day (it isn't a permanent thing) is the hardest one, after that it just gets easier and easier and your anxiety starts to go away.

Don't do this bull**** make eye contact with 50 people one day, say hi to 50 people the next. Just get to the point. Making eye contact with people is going to help you make eye contact with people, not get you to approach them.

Jump into the ****ing pool, don't use the steps.
Eye contact is very important. I would rather know I'm going into an approach with a woman who is actually buying what I have to sell instead of wasting my time on a woman who may not be interested.

It's all about increasing your odds. Cold approaches can often lead to chasing and supplication as you try to figure out whether she's interested or not. Why not approach from a position of strength?
 

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it might be true

there are easiest and fastest ways to have the skills. But practicing is as much important as the inner state and habilities.
 

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Obviously, JC realizes dinner dates suck from his post, and he was honest with himself about her being too low on the looks todem pole. You don't want to waste a lot of time on a chick that doesn't meet your minimum standards. Practicing on a 6 is better than nothing, but I think it goes without saying it's best to practice on 7+.

Dinner dates can work though. For the record, I hate dinner dates because they cost money. I don't find sitting there weird, because I'm just going to be funny/attractive and show her I am a cool guy who can make the waitress blush before showing her the movies I rented and cavemaning her ass, or if I must switch to this adult playground with caves and huge things to climb on and **** that's fun to hang out in. There is a barrell thingie that all chics I take there comment on "it's just like xyz place when I was a kid I'd go to get away" then they always make out.


Some First Date, Dinner Dates off the top of my head:

Evansville, IN: Older biochemist. Dinner each paid half. Venue change to a bar for drinks. She lives 45 minutes away (****). LJBF. First and only time this has ever ****ing happened to me. I was trying to "mirror" her to see if that worked. DO NOT try anything that stupid. Mirroring her boring/bad body language just makes you boring or a weirdo. This place sucks. Conservative weirdos.

Hopkinsville, KY: Ex-Stripper turned military wife. Husband at AIT and shedidn't have $$$ to take her daughtr out for her bday. Good OL ME stepped pup to take them out. Stayed the night. Gave her oral but the kid woke up right when I was gonna close the sale. Full closed the next weekend. This place is a hotbed of MILF action. Lots of hot milfs, many bi as well. If you can't get laid here, then you're seriously ****ed up. Just pretend to be a provider or caveman type. Either one will get you laid. White trash milfs galore. Think Joe Dirt's Hot Sister.
I paid.

Arnold, MO: Stripper turned Vet Tek/Coke Dealer (I didn't know about the second part). Extremely hot. Dinner date TGIF, proceed to River parking lot extreme makeout. Full closed on the next meeting with medium resistance.I paid full dinner. This place is full of drug dealers and white trash.

Centralia, IL: Older chic. Wasn;t that into her. Dinner at a karaoeke bar. I number closed her friend who was with some guy who buys her drinks for her. LOL. What a ****ing tool. Mutual decision to call the night off because she was mad over the friend incident and I wasn't that into her. I don't remember if she paid half or not. Town is a stinkpit of filth. I never called the friend just for living there.

Mount Vernon, IL: Virgin Xtian. Took her to a swinger club after dinner. I didn't try to close which is a shame, because she commented on how she wished we would've spent more time with this couple. Town is full of black trash. Most of the women are into black dudes, but anyone who has all his digits can PU here. No competetion.

St. Louis, MO: Dinner date with a totally flawless deskstop support chic. I paid all. venue changed to the adult playground (not XXX! see above). . I'm still seeing this one every once in a great while. This town is a run down hell hole. Easy to PU.

Buenos Aires, AR: Blonde with big boobs. Very hot, I paid. She ended up being a hooker unbeknownst to me. O well, I'll admit, I paid again. Shyt I was already in a dinner and a cab ride to puerto la majeure by this point. PU is easy if you can learn some Spanish. Make sure they don't want $$$ to avoid this type of situation. In all fairness, I've paid way more in gas alone to get laid in the States, but this whole ordeal of hookers is a self-esteem killer. Any girl you pickup near Galeria Pacifico is going to be a hooker. I had another dinner date (this one on the spot) and that girl ended up being a hooker too. The next day she showed me her kids photos and asked me to move in with them and support her. NEXTd for hooka behavior.

San Jose, CR: I told a hot PR chica we were going to dinner. Instead, I had her come to the restaruant in my hotel. Next, I asked to have it brought to my room. I think she was kind of confused, but it worked. Forgot to close the curtains and a group of guys across the street in another high rise hotel got a nice show. LOL. I paid. You really should know some Spanish or meet girls online to increase the odds you can communicate well enough. PU isn't hard here in the city. I have no idea what happens if you venture into the smaller towns. I tried to PU in another nearby city, but I only had like a couple hours. If anyone has a process for the smaller towns PM me. I am going back one of these days.


Anyway, I don't remember every single one of them nor do i care to list them. That's a pretty fair representation of what you can expect. It works in all the palces I've tried it, it just sucks because it costs money and it increases the odds of you becoming the reltionship/tool guy. That's why you ever take a FB out to dinner, it will confuse her and she may even dump you over it or make new demands. Also, it's only useful for those few chicks who just really have this idea in her head that this will happen. The stripper/vet chic I don't think would've ****ed me if I didn't go through the motions and pass all her shyt test (there were many), and I do know of a number of attractive men who tried and failed with her. She was sort of in a man hating phase, and all of them got emotional on her shyt tests from what I can decipher. They kept calling and calling when she was out with me. Losers. I didn't call her for 2 weeks after I got her #. Also there was too much sausage circling around her place to back there early, some tool would've shown up to CB. Had to keep her ass out of the house until late :)


Somehow I managed to post this under the wrong thread. I hate computers! I posted **** to the wrong women when i used to PU online sometimes too. GRRRRR.
 
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Lol, never heard of that sh!t test:p

That Blond Buenos Aires Bimbo pulled a good one on you. LOL, you supplicated with the dinner, than the cab ride, than to get her in bed. She must have had a good laugh the next day. I wonder if she's been pulling it for a long time:p
 

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ethnomethodologist said:
Lol, never heard of that sh!t test:p

That Blond Buenos Aires Bimbo pulled a good one on you. LOL, you supplicated with the dinner, than the cab ride, than to get her in bed. She must have had a good laugh the next day. I wonder if she's been pulling it for a long time:p
It's always their first time! She was so ****ing hot I don't much care though. I spent less than 100 USD for a world class dinner than would've been 150$ alone in the States. Cabs and food are so cheap down there... you can live like a KIng unless the currency has bounced back since I was there a a couple years ago. I ended up seeing her a few more times because she was damn cool. She never asked for much... I paid for movies, popcorn, and stuff that she didn't have $$ for. The one who wanted me to support her family was nexted on the spot.
 

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Hot Blonde Latino Hooker, and she didn't have money?

That was the sh!t test I was talking about. I didn't know that you continued to see her afterwards, did you continue to pay for sex?

ie. "Very hot, I paid. She ended up being a hooker unbeknownst to me. O well, I'll admit, I paid again. Shyt I was already in a dinner and a cab ride to puerto la majeure by this point"
 

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I continued buying stupid shyt like movies, popcorn, sodas, ordring pizzas to the apartmento, etc. It was more a trade off than outright hooking. Although she actually did ask for $$$ the first night. We never agreed on this, but I gave her some money. I also paid for her taxi cabs which were not that expensive. Most of the women who are in the tourist areas I am suspect of from now on, esp. the mall (GP). Better to meet someone at a Tango or Internet Cafe.. just walk in and set next to her. Most of the chicas who use the Inet cafe can speak ingles.

Buenos Aires is still the best city I've seen considering the incredible bargain prices down there. It's got great food, a lot of things to do, and plenty of hot women. Other places I've been didn't have enough hot chics or were too expensive. Just watch out for semipro hookas
 

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Well, you got gamed either way. You got gamed like any desperate tourist looking for some exotic pussay would.

May I ask WHY you posted this information in the 'bootcamps are Useless" thread?
 
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