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By using this flow: How you think + how you do things = results.

It will then be easier to follow what I'm trying to convey.

As can be seen in numerous threads, there's an over abundance of "how to do things", telling men to act such and such to get a result.

But then they mostly fail in the.....end.

And its because of "how you think" is not emphasised on.
I want to add to this and put some science behind it, because I agree with this a lot, and you see a lot of guys in different threads who are always thinking negatively and thinking about worst case scenarios instead of staying positive within

Your brain doesn't know the difference between what you experience in reality, and what you imagine. It is inside of your head, it's not experiencing the outside world like you are. It is fed information from your senses and thoughts. So if you are imagining in your mind what can go wrong and thinking about all of these negative outcomes that can happen or that you expect to happen, your brain experiences negative trauma from it, regardless of whether it's really being experienced

If those negative thoughts actually come to fruition, now you are experiencing double negative trauma. Now this is where how you think effects what you do. When you remain positive with your thoughts, and you keep imagining positive results and success in your life, your brain will work to help you make decisions in real life that will lead you to those goals.

When you think this way, and experience a negative result, your brain, instead of experiencing double negative trauma, will keep working to help you make decisions so that you move past that and get to the results you want
 

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From ur point of view, enlighten us with the way American men supplicate to women (it should be universal but I might be wrong since I've only been on a working visit to the US twice).

Maybe a simplified point by point examples that's most commonplace.

America is like the fat and foolish king who’s mesmerized by Cleopatra. Like for example, my last thanksgiving dinner. A female cousin of mines brought over an attention wh0re for dinner.

She was constantly hitting on every guy, using one guy as a pawn to make another guy jealous, giving one guy attention and as soon as he would commit, ignore him and hit on his friend, etc. she was driving every guy crazy.

She was making everyone uncomfortable. Openly talking about sex, flaunting herself everywhere, and openly acting sexual even in front of kids. It was as if she thought she was in a night club, lol.

Anyway, I was astounded at how every guy kept supplicating to her. In their minds, as long as she had a pvssy, it was good enough. In my mind, I was completely annoyed, not because I held her to a higher standard, but I held the guys to a higher standard. And I was also annoyed because there were so many kids around.

It was as if the entire social environment had her on a pedestal. There is some weird Cleopatra dynamic going on in America where manipulative wh0res are mistaken for quality women nowadays. Every guy seems to have rose colored glasses on and can’t see beyond the makeup and shiny tight clothes.

Anyway, you guys can probably guess who she ended up supplicating to at the end. It was me. I was the only guy who ignored her.

In the end, I didnt really feel like I won any prize. I could have easily gone to a bar and gotten the same type of chick. I was just astounded at how supplicating everyone was to a typical attention wh0re.

And surprisingly to many, I actually rejected her advances. After she left, everyone asked me if I was gay or crazy. I Just shrugged.

The important takeaway - the elusive obvious that you guys should pay attention to, is my mindset throughout the entire time. I was constantly thinking in terms of qualifying/dismissing her based on her actions, while every other guy already approved of her just for showing up and looking pretty. My mindset was different from the rest of the guys.

Unsurprisingly, the other women respected me and liked me even more for being unreactive to her. It was a typical turn of events for me where I ended up being the most admirable guy in the room to women by doing absolutely nothing whatsoever.

I’ve always believed that game is not about what you do, but what you don’t do. 99% of guys on this forum focus on what to do. They think “taking action” will get them more results, lol. As a natural, this is comical to me.

So the most powerful and dominant guy is constantly approaching and exhausting all his energy trying to seduce women? Lmao. That doesn’t even make any sense.

I’m going to take you guys back to memory lane -from my point of view to show you how I got this way. Give you guys a hint to the attraction code. The code that found me as a pimple faced teenage boy as a freshman in high school.

I wasn’t born with the manual on what to do with girls. The manual only contained instructions on what NOT to do. Why didn’t the manual contain action? Probably because women were meant to be the seducers. There’s the first hint.

If men were natural seducers, why do they have to spend 10 years learning it and pay thousands for boot camps and dating coaches? Shouldn’t it come naturally? And why does it come naturally for women? Hmmmmmmmm. Ding ding ding. Welcome to logic 101.

Here were some things I didn’t do:

-I never gave any girls attention unless I felt that they valued me. I would straight up ignore girls even if they gave me attention and dangled pvssy in front of my face. They had to go above and beyond and value me. And usually my gut tells me if someone genuinely values me as a person.

-Despite having over 100 girls crushing on me (one night I laid on my bed and actually counted it) I never did a single approach. Never even broke the ice. Does a Ferrari have to approach you for you to desperately want to ride it? Guys try to game women but they don’t have the right mindset. They have the mindset of a ‘94 broken down Toyota Camry.

-Karma always worked for me. Now we dive into the esoteric. Any chick that attempted to play games with me would find herself in a social situation where she would be surrounded by girls that liked me. Whatever emotion she tried to make me feel, like jealousy, she would end up feeling herself. Even when someone attempts to wrong me, I still didn’t have to do anything. The universe had everything covered. That was the beginning of my faith.

- The chicks that had real game would use plausible deniability to get me to be alone with them. I think everyone knows what plausible deniability is by now. But for those who don’t, it’s an excuse to be alone, like Netflix and chill. Back in my days it was “let’s smoke weed together sometime.”

20 years later and I am still the same way. As soon as I recognize a woman is trying to use me for attention, I leave the room. My body rejects it.

I view my validation as exclusive. A woman must earn it. I know the less I do, the more elusive I am, the more women desperately want me. But that’s not even my goal really. I have no goals with women. It’s as simple as my body rejects me giving away my validation freely. It makes me feel like a piece of sh1t.


Built into us is an internal compass that tells us how to think and act. It’s not like I went to charm school or anything. I simply just stayed true to myself above all else.

I don’t know anything that you guys don’t already know on an intuitive level.
 
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America is like the fat and foolish king who’s mesmerized by Cleopatra. Like for example, my last thanksgiving dinner. A female cousin of mines brought over an attention wh0re for dinner.

She was constantly hitting on every guy, using one guy as a pawn to make another guy jealous, giving one guy attention and as soon as he would commit, ignore him and hit on his friend, etc. she was driving every guy crazy.

She was making everyone uncomfortable. Openly talking about sex, flaunting herself everywhere, and openly acting sexual even in front of kids. It was as if she thought she was in a night club, lol.

Anyway, I was astounded at how every guy kept supplicating to her. In their minds, as long as she had a pvssy, it was good enough. In my mind, I was completely annoyed, not because I held her to a higher standard, but I held the guys to a higher standard. And I was also annoyed because there were so many kids around.

It was as if the entire social environment had her on a pedestal. There is some weird Cleopatra dynamic going on in America where manipulative wh0res are mistaken for quality women nowadays. Every guy seems to have rose colored glasses on and can’t see beyond the makeup and shiny tight clothes.

Anyway, you guys can probably guess who she ended up supplicating to at the end. It was me. I was the only guy who ignored her.

In the end, I didnt really feel like I won any prize. I could have easily gone to a bar and gotten the same type of chick. I was just astounded at how supplicating everyone was to a typical attention wh0re.

And surprisingly to many, I actually rejected her advances. After she left, everyone asked me if I was gay or crazy. I Just shrugged.

The important takeaway - the elusive obvious that you guys should pay attention to, is my mindset throughout the entire time. I was constantly thinking in terms of qualifying/dismissing her based on her actions, while every other guy already approved of her just for showing up and looking pretty. My mindset was different from the rest of the guys.

Unsurprisingly, the other women respected me and liked me even more for being unreactive to her. It was a typical turn of events for me where I ended up being the most admirable guy in the room to women by doing absolutely nothing whatsoever.

I’ve always believed that game is not about what you do, but what you don’t do. 99% of guys on this forum focus on what to do. They think “taking action” will get them more results, lol. As a natural, this is comical to me.

So the most powerful and dominant guy is constantly approaching and exhausting all his energy trying to seduce women? Lmao. That doesn’t even make any sense.

I’m going to take you guys back to memory lane -from my point of view to show you how I got this way. Give you guys a hint to the attraction code. The code that found me as a pimple faced teenage boy as a freshman in high school.

I wasn’t born with the manual on what to do with girls. The manual only contained instructions on what NOT to do. Why didn’t the manual contain action? Probably because women were meant to be the seducers. There’s the first hint.

If men were natural seducers, why do they have to spend 10 years learning it and pay thousands for boot camps and dating coaches? Shouldn’t it come naturally? And why does it come naturally for women? Hmmmmmmmm. Ding ding ding. Welcome to logic 101.

Here were some things I didn’t do:

-I never gave any girls attention unless I felt that they valued me. I would straight up ignore girls even if they gave me attention and dangled pvssy in front of my face. They had to go above and beyond and value me. And usually my gut tells me if someone genuinely values me as a person.

-Despite having over 100 girls crushing on me (one night I laid on my bed and actually counted it) I never did a single approach. Never even broke the ice. Does a Ferrari have to approach you for you to desperately want to ride it? Guys try to game women but they don’t have the right mindset. They have the mindset of a ‘94 broken down Toyota Camry.

-Karma always worked for me. Now we dive into the esoteric. Any chick that attempted to play games with me would find herself in a social situation where she would be surrounded by girls that liked me. Whatever emotion she tried to make me feel, like jealousy, she would end up feeling herself. Even when someone attempts to wrong me, I still didn’t have to do anything. The universe had everything covered. That was the beginning of my faith.

- The chicks that had real game would use plausible deniability to get me to be alone with them. I think everyone knows what plausible deniability is by now. But for those who don’t, it’s an excuse to be alone, like Netflix and chill. Back in my days it was “let’s smoke weed together sometime.”

20 years later and I am still the same way. As soon as I recognize a woman is trying to use me for attention, I leave the room. My body rejects it.

I view my validation as exclusive. A woman must earn it. I know the less I do, the more elusive I am, the more women desperately want me. But that’s not even my goal really. I have no goals with women. It’s as simple as my body rejects me giving away my validation freely. It makes me feel like a piece of sh1t.


Built into us is an internal compass that tells us how to think and act. It’s not like I went to charm school or anything. I simply just stayed true to myself above all else.

I don’t know anything that you guys don’t already know on an intuitive level.
And this right here is a golden post. But society has just gotten so unnatural and indoctrinating that everyone (especially men), have forgotten how to just be. There’s so many rules and regulations nowadays telling us what to do and how to be like that now, no one really knows HOW to just be anymore. People don’t know how to be themselves anymore because society keeps telling us how to be.
 

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Yes. God is the Force and he calls to those he has chooses.

Also what the f#@% is this you're doing with Spaz.
I read these thread conversations and it's like Satan trying to tempt you.
Actually more like Satan junior.
LOL

Nicksaiz, you need to tell Satan to F#@$ off.
Yeah. You know the phrase "God has a sense of humor?" I've been seeing so much stuff about God in my day to day life as well.

Just talking about the aspects of masculinity and how to succeed lol. I don't agree with everything he says but I still think you need the 5 points listed or you'll fail in life and with women. Cause it all comes back to that Self Improvement.
 

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Yeah. You know the phrase "God has a sense of humor?" I've been seeing so much stuff about God in my day to day life as well.

Just talking about the aspects of masculinity and how to succeed lol. I don't agree with everything he says but I still think you need the 5 points listed or you'll fail in life and with women. Cause it all comes back to that Self Improvement.
Don't mind him.

He's just being bitter and because of that he somehow manages to compute in his mind that I'm Satan simply because I don't agree with his narratives.
 

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I want to add to this and put some science behind it, because I agree with this a lot, and you see a lot of guys in different threads who are always thinking negatively and thinking about worst case scenarios instead of staying positive within

Your brain doesn't know the difference between what you experience in reality, and what you imagine. It is inside of your head, it's not experiencing the outside world like you are. It is fed information from your senses and thoughts. So if you are imagining in your mind what can go wrong and thinking about all of these negative outcomes that can happen or that you expect to happen, your brain experiences negative trauma from it, regardless of whether it's really being experienced

If those negative thoughts actually come to fruition, now you are experiencing double negative trauma. Now this is where how you think effects what you do. When you remain positive with your thoughts, and you keep imagining positive results and success in your life, your brain will work to help you make decisions in real life that will lead you to those goals.

When you think this way, and experience a negative result, your brain, instead of experiencing double negative trauma, will keep working to help you make decisions so that you move past that and get to the results you want
And now you know why those men who keep repeating BPD...BPD...succubus....evil women keep on being in the same loop year after year.

Some even become champions by staying on Sosuave for more then 10 years talking abt that and yet still obviously afflicted.

The problem is, if its just these few it's fine, but they end up chanting the same tune, week after week, month after months, year in year out - reinforcing it in newbies way of thinking.

Thus knowingly or unknowingly creating more idiots by the day whom are here to actually surpass all these.
 

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America is like the fat and foolish king who’s mesmerized by Cleopatra. Like for example, my last thanksgiving dinner. A female cousin of mines brought over an attention wh0re for dinner.

She was constantly hitting on every guy, using one guy as a pawn to make another guy jealous, giving one guy attention and as soon as he would commit, ignore him and hit on his friend, etc. she was driving every guy crazy.

She was making everyone uncomfortable. Openly talking about sex, flaunting herself everywhere, and openly acting sexual even in front of kids. It was as if she thought she was in a night club, lol.

Anyway, I was astounded at how every guy kept supplicating to her. In their minds, as long as she had a pvssy, it was good enough. In my mind, I was completely annoyed, not because I held her to a higher standard, but I held the guys to a higher standard. And I was also annoyed because there were so many kids around.

It was as if the entire social environment had her on a pedestal. There is some weird Cleopatra dynamic going on in America where manipulative wh0res are mistaken for quality women nowadays. Every guy seems to have rose colored glasses on and can’t see beyond the makeup and shiny tight clothes.

Anyway, you guys can probably guess who she ended up supplicating to at the end. It was me. I was the only guy who ignored her.

In the end, I didnt really feel like I won any prize. I could have easily gone to a bar and gotten the same type of chick. I was just astounded at how supplicating everyone was to a typical attention wh0re.

And surprisingly to many, I actually rejected her advances. After she left, everyone asked me if I was gay or crazy. I Just shrugged.

The important takeaway - the elusive obvious that you guys should pay attention to, is my mindset throughout the entire time. I was constantly thinking in terms of qualifying/dismissing her based on her actions, while every other guy already approved of her just for showing up and looking pretty. My mindset was different from the rest of the guys.

Unsurprisingly, the other women respected me and liked me even more for being unreactive to her. It was a typical turn of events for me where I ended up being the most admirable guy in the room to women by doing absolutely nothing whatsoever.

I’ve always believed that game is not about what you do, but what you don’t do. 99% of guys on this forum focus on what to do. They think “taking action” will get them more results, lol. As a natural, this is comical to me.

So the most powerful and dominant guy is constantly approaching and exhausting all his energy trying to seduce women? Lmao. That doesn’t even make any sense.

I’m going to take you guys back to memory lane -from my point of view to show you how I got this way. Give you guys a hint to the attraction code. The code that found me as a pimple faced teenage boy as a freshman in high school.

I wasn’t born with the manual on what to do with girls. The manual only contained instructions on what NOT to do. Why didn’t the manual contain action? Probably because women were meant to be the seducers. There’s the first hint.

If men were natural seducers, why do they have to spend 10 years learning it and pay thousands for boot camps and dating coaches? Shouldn’t it come naturally? And why does it come naturally for women? Hmmmmmmmm. Ding ding ding. Welcome to logic 101.

Here were some things I didn’t do:

-I never gave any girls attention unless I felt that they valued me. I would straight up ignore girls even if they gave me attention and dangled pvssy in front of my face. They had to go above and beyond and value me. And usually my gut tells me if someone genuinely values me as a person.

-Despite having over 100 girls crushing on me (one night I laid on my bed and actually counted it) I never did a single approach. Never even broke the ice. Does a Ferrari have to approach you for you to desperately want to ride it? Guys try to game women but they don’t have the right mindset. They have the mindset of a ‘94 broken down Toyota Camry.

-Karma always worked for me. Now we dive into the esoteric. Any chick that attempted to play games with me would find herself in a social situation where she would be surrounded by girls that liked me. Whatever emotion she tried to make me feel, like jealousy, she would end up feeling herself. Even when someone attempts to wrong me, I still didn’t have to do anything. The universe had everything covered. That was the beginning of my faith.

- The chicks that had real game would use plausible deniability to get me to be alone with them. I think everyone knows what plausible deniability is by now. But for those who don’t, it’s an excuse to be alone, like Netflix and chill. Back in my days it was “let’s smoke weed together sometime.”

20 years later and I am still the same way. As soon as I recognize a woman is trying to use me for attention, I leave the room. My body rejects it.

I view my validation as exclusive. A woman must earn it. I know the less I do, the more elusive I am, the more women desperately want me. But that’s not even my goal really. I have no goals with women. It’s as simple as my body rejects me giving away my validation freely. It makes me feel like a piece of sh1t.


Built into us is an internal compass that tells us how to think and act. It’s not like I went to charm school or anything. I simply just stayed true to myself above all else.

I don’t know anything that you guys don’t already know on an intuitive level.
I sometimes, in truth, shake my head in disbelieve whilst reading some posts from our own Sosuave "masters class" members.

It seems that the roles between the sexes are somehow reversed, that men are NOW supposed to be the seducers and must actively chase women.

How can this NOT be seen as an act of a supplicator?

And what's even worse, they seem mightily proud of it.

Gentlemen, women has always wanted to be submissive, in fact they yearn it, that's the natural order.

How can she be submissive to a supplicating man?

This is the No. 1 reason most here, even with our master class seducers, they all can't influence women to yearn for them and wanting to stay in their world. In the end these women will leave.

How can a woman admire such traits in the long run?

If a woman doesn't admire you then she can't respect you and without this, there can be no love.
 

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I’ve thought about this before, so I’ll just copy + paste what I wrote. Have fun:

Masculinity is having DRIVE. Like prey drive.



  • There is a competitive ASPECT to masculinity. But masculinity in and of itself is not competitiveness.



  • There is an aggressive ASPECT to masculinity. But masculinity in and of itself is not aggression.



  • There is a stoic ASPECT to masculinity. But masculinity in and of itself is not stoicism.



  • There is a dominance ASPECT to masculinity. But masculinity in and of itself is not dominance.



Nor are any of these things masculinity either. There is some overlap, but they are not the same. However, just because they are not the same, does not mean that these things aren’t inherent within a man and his masculine nature. All of these things are still present in masculinity. It’s just that TRULY masculine men CONTROL these aspects, rather than having them control him.


A man CONTROLS these urges. However, that does not mean that he suppresses them either. Men should not bottle up their emotions, because there is masculine expression within those emotions. However, you should not let your emotions dictate you either. You should still try to keep composure. Don’t be afraid to say what you think or show how you feel about something, because if you are, that means that you ARE repressing what you feel inside.

...

Stoicism is just in reference TO self-control, used to DESCRIBE it. It is not to be used in place OF self-control. It’s not the same thing.
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|End|

So in essence, masculinity is DRIVE. Drive has elements of dominance, aggression, competitiveness, and stoicism, but these things standalone are not masculinity in and of itself. Masculinity only takes PARTS of these traits, not all of them entirely.

There is also something else that is important, too: by saying that this is what masculinity is, it would therefore have to imply that femininity cannot be these things either. Interestingly enough, femininity cannot be these things. When I was originally writing this, however long ago, I didn’t realize that the characteristics I had chosen above were actually characteristics that femininity could not be. It was only until someone else basically pointed this out to me that I realized this.

Another thing: a man must also have self-control, too, so that he is not controlled by his drive (or any one single element of masculinity, for that matter). This is what separates a man from a barbarian.

Oh Pook, how I have become you.


And as for you, @Spaz, I didn’t include the traits strength, toughness, and power because by being masculine, you will automatically develop said traits just as a side effect of being masculine.
Very well done.

You will do well in the future.
 

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I sometimes, in truth, shake my head in disbelieve whilst reading some posts from our own Sosuave "masters class" members.

It seems that the roles between the sexes are somehow reversed, that men are NOW supposed to be the seducers and must actively chase women.

How can this NOT be seen as an act of a supplicator?

And what's even worse, they seem mightily proud of it.

Gentlemen, women has always wanted to be submissive, in fact they yearn it, that's the natural order.

How can she be submissive to a supplicating man?

This is the No. 1 reason most here, even with our master class seducers, they all can't influence women to yearn for them and wanting to stay in their world. In the end these women will leave.

How can a woman admire such traits in the long run?

If a woman doesn't admire you then she can't respect you and without this, there can be no love.

I don’t say this often. But when I read your post, I was reminded of how I used to be.
 

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Chick's threads always have the most posts.
 

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Such as it is, such as it ever was
 

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She didn't answer my questions about Porn!
I will. Busy weekend with the man. Sitting watching him play poker as I type this.

Porn in and of itself Ive no issue with. It’s not real. But what will happen is it desensitizes men to reality. It’s a cartoon in a way and will screw up a man’s ability to appreciate a real woman & real relationship.

More later...but my man agrees with me based in experience...
 

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BE, while ur initial OP has many truths it's also mixed or laced with a feminine bias, well maybe not so much as being purposely biased but some points you're raised up are from the perspective of the feminine world and its rather good - for a female
Good points. Couldnt help to point out that its abundly clear that even though the ladies spit out nuggets they cannot connect with the "rational male" through their biology. I say impossible. They are like sign posts that only point to it but never can go to it.
 

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Women are inherently immoral so they are naturally inclined to scam anyone around them whenever the possibility arises. In this skank's case, it's with self help/prosperity gospel.

Once their wombs are barren and they have destroyed/divorce raped their ex husbands, they turn to other prey, even if it's as pathetic as a bunch of anonymous internet incels.

Divorced from the source of God (men) women unleash their destructive energy on to any weak gullible man they can find. In this case, her son, her 60 year old "boyfriend" and now this forum.
 

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