Beta Male and work.

[Raven80]

I'm wondering how many of the Alpha guys here deal with taking orders at work. Obviously to be an Alpha male, it is a state of mind which you need to carry out. Anyhow, I work as an assistant manager at a global company, and while my job consists of a lot of donkey work, I've tried being positive and knowing that a few years spent there will be a huge deal for me career wise. The problem is that the role is really a Beta Male type role, and I've been practicing becoming more of an Alpha personality outside of work (thus far, happy with where I am). The problem is that, it's like having two masks, where at one point you have to supplicate cause the work asks for it, while the other you are more in charge, but they clearly clash. So my question is, how do some guys here deal with it?

I know the best way is to start your own business, which I want to do down the line, but for now that's not feasible, so what is the best way to feel empowered as a person in such a job?

 

[CaptainJ]

Fvcking quit that job. No man with a winners mindset should ever put themselves in the role of the beta male.

Get out there and make your own business now, otherwise you never will and you'll just get stuck in the career trap.

"Why should I leave now when I'm so close to getting a promotion?"
"I don't want to waste all the time i invested in my job"

GET OUT NOW.

Start your business early, I don't see how it can't be feasible, the best business men started theirs when they dropped out of school at the age of 16, like Alan Sugar or Theo Patathetis

 

[Raven80]

96 views and one reply? I thought this would be a common problem. Guess I'm the only one that feels this way.

Hey man thanks for the pep talk, and yeah it does sound great, but with the way the economy is now, it's not a feasible option to just take a dive at the moment.

Though I envy people that have taken that step, the ones who hardly had any money and took that step. I know there's a calling out there, I just don't know what it is yet.

 

[ENIGMA16]

Hey man thanks for the pep talk, and yeah it does sound great, but with the way the economy is now, it's not a feasible option to just take a dive at the moment.

Actually if you have money then right now is the best time to invest it.

I'd be interested in seeing more info on starting a business, as I'm interested in going this route but don't even know where to start.

 

[Soprano]

working a job is a learning experience

recommended reading: the 50th law

 

[AF77]

Quit his job?
You serious?

Dude, keep doing what your doing. An alpha male wouldn't even be thinking about this ****. Who cares who is giving the orders, that's part of it.

 

[Semtex]

I like how some people always give the most extreme solution to a simple problem or issue.

"My girlfriend is being slightly flaky lately"
some douche: "Dump her! she's obviously screwing another guy! time to move on!"

"I feel like work is sabotaging my attempt to change into an alpha male"

douche: "its time to quit!!! screw it! Start your own business and become a millionaire!1 Thats the only way!!!"

C'mon, quitting your job because it doesnt let you fulfill your desired alpha male role is one of the silliest reasons to quit, with the economy the way it is, you should be glad you still have a managerial job of any sort. Doesnt that atleast mean there are people who are responsible to you? How hard would it be to apply alpha male roles when you're an assistant manager?

Keep in mind even a janitor could easily display alpha male tendencies. Its not the job that makes the man, its how the man does his job afterall. LOL at "career trap" btw...some people here Im sure are unemployed and would love to be working in any career and wouldnt consider it entrapment at all.

 

[Raven80]

I like how some people always give the most extreme solution to a simple problem or issue.

"My girlfriend is being slightly flaky lately"
some douche: "Dump her! she's obviously screwing another guy! time to move on!"

"I feel like work is sabotaging my attempt to change into an alpha male"

douche: "its time to quit!!! screw it! Start your own business and become a millionaire!1 Thats the only way!!!"

C'mon, quitting your job because it doesnt let you fulfill your desired alpha male role is one of the silliest reasons to quit, with the economy the way it is, you should be glad you still have a managerial job of any sort. Doesnt that atleast mean there are people who are responsible to you? How hard would it be to apply alpha male roles when you're an assistant manager?

Keep in mind even a janitor could easily display alpha male tendencies. Its not the job that makes the man, its how the man does his job afterall. LOL at "career trap" btw...some people here Im sure are unemployed and would love to be working in any career and wouldnt consider it entrapment at all.

Thank you, this is the kind of reply I was looking for. I was reading the book by John Alexander, which I have to say is a great read, and then he reached this point about work and Beta status etc. and it started to bug me, because lately I have been changing so much about myself and I can comfortably say that outside of work, I love how I handle myself. But during work, there's this whole screwed up corporate ladder where you have to kiss everyone's ass who is above you, or constantly be nice to people it kind of makes me want to throw up sometimes.

But, at the end of the day, I tell myself exactly what Soprano mentioned, this is a working experience, and I do learn so much from the corporate world. I guess what I mentioned is a small price to pay for the bigger picture.

 

[Soprano]

voltuneer to do things to learn more, but not in a way that threatens people above of you on the ladder. make them feel safe.

 

[Warrior74]

Law 1

Never Outshine the Master

Always make those above you feel comfortably superior. In your desire to please or impress them, do not go too far in displaying your talents or you might accomplish the opposite – inspire fear and insecurity. Make your masters appear more brilliant than they are and you will attain the heights of power.

I learned this lesson the hard way. Got fired for outshining my boss constantly, he was a weak little man and threatened by my work.


A real alpha male would chop the heads off his competition and kill their children. Oh wait, your not that kind of guy? Well drop the alpha male crap. to paraphrase Young Jeezy said, all the real alpha males are either dead or in jail. Not wearing a suit and tie and climbing a corporate later. The most you can do is become a real man, not a brute and not a wimp. A leader of men.

Unless your boss is disrespecting you or talking down to you, what is your problem? You should talk to your boss as someone slightly less than his equal, not blatant ass kissing but more like a good friend you would do anything for. You should develop a personal relationship with your boss if you can. Everyone has to take orders, even ceos have to report to stockholders, i htink your taking that alpha male crap to far. lose it.

 

[nismo-4]

Make the money, don't let it make you.

Being insecure is your problem here. And I agree with Warrior74 when he said never outshine the master.

 

[Ziniath]

Dude, I honestly believe your only issue here is your definition of what an alpha male is.

There is no set definition, or truth as to what an alpha male is.

All you can do is walk your path, at any given time.

It's only taking orders if you view it as taking orders. Sometimes, "taking orders" is actually "listening to advice, and setting your course from there".

Some of the most "alpha" men I know are sitting at the bottom of the corporate ladder: they don't have an issue with taking orders. They own who they are, and the orders, and how they respond says nothing about who they are as people.

 

[Unbridled_Phoenix]

It's like the others have said, the 100% bada$$ alpha males are dead, in jail, or swinging a hammer for 10 dollars an hour. Ape men do not become CEOs, there are qualities of the ape man there but it is so much more.

Be careful who you emulate.

Self-determination, faith, passion, intelligence, and courage are what we cultivate.

 

[Raven80]

Thank you to all for many truthful responses. This issue was really bothering me, but as someone said, it may indeed be an insecurity which I need to take care of.