Beta friends don't take my advice. Just leave them be?

[spiegel549]

Been recently getting into it with a few of my boys. I have my boys that are alpha males and know how to handle plates. Then I have my boys that are beta males (still good friends) but just won't agree with me on playing the game with these broads.

I have tried helping a few friends with situations that I have personally been in and experienced with women and yet they do the opposite of what I tell them, then come crying to me after. I understand we learn from our mistakes, and rejection and making mistakes makes you stronger but damn...some of my friends are so fvking thick headed stubborn fvks lol. Its PAINFUL to see them fail time and time again but I am at the point where I stopped going out with them. Only now I go out with my boys that are on the same level as me.

Any of you share a similar experience with your boys?

 

[gravityeyelids]

At one point I was reading so much pickup material that I was literally picking apart their social interactions, telling them exactly what they did wrong, and suggesting what they needed to do.

But know what? They didn't care. They either thought some of the stuff was downright crazy and garbage, or they thought they were right even though what they were doing wasnt working.

The whole Blue/Red Pill metaphor is wonderful in this case, because much like Neo, most guys are completely and blissfully unaware of the knowledge we are trying to drop. Most importantly, they are very set in their ways, and on some level they dont WANT to change. It's VERY hard to get people to "buy in" to what we are preaching. And once they do, the truth comes as a huge shock and they dont want to believe it.

If you are at a level where your game is on point and you're not trying to improve yourself any further, then I think it's noble to try to help other guys, and go out with betas and such. However, if you are still on your journey to becoming better at this... it's not a bad idea to surround yourself with alphas and Naturals to help yourself grow. Dont let their negative attitudes drag you down.

I'm not saying to ditch your friends or anything... But i understand where you're coming from. I have a very beta friend who is close to me...He tries very hard to pull girls. But he has a lot of inner game issues and is very self conscious and such. Whenever we go out, or I invite him out....his first question is "are there girls there?!?". This will make or break whether he wants to go out and have "fun". However...once he is at the party, he is so shy that he doesnt make an effort to talk to anyone, and his whole experience hinges on female validation. He is incapable of going out and simply having fun with the guys rather than just focusing on pu$$y the whole night. I've tried to help him, but it's frustrating and his negative attitude impacts me. So, i hang with him when we're just kicking back at someone's house or whatever...but if it's a night where i'm getting all amped to go to the club or whatever, he;s honestly not the guy i call up. I call up my other buddy who is a solid wing.

 

[Mr Wright]

At the end of the day you have to realise, they believe in what they believe in as strongly as you believe in what you believe in. The only way they'll change their mind is if they get burned. Without the prompt, they wouldn't feel the need to change anything.

 

[spiegel549]

Thanks for the responses guys. I agree. Its just brutal watching from an outside point of view of how I USE to be. My old buried very dead beta self took a lot of rejection that I made myself change. Studied materials, went out and just practiced, practiced, practiced in the field until finally I became successful with it.

Rough watching my friends bomb every single time we go out lol. Guess I gotta just let them make the change for themselves when they are ready.