"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Best Seduction E-Book? and opinions on David DeAngelo
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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currently reading it right now.Shocker said:
De Angelo's material is high-quality in my opinion, because not only is he a good communicator, but he's done the background research and field tested various theories, discovered what works, then refined and update those theories with concepts of his own, supplementing it w/the latest research. But to be fair many of his concepts can be found in the works of other PUAs, seduction gurus and the like. For example, his concept of the Wussy-Man, is a combination of Nice Guy and AFC. Ross Jeffries was a big influence, as was F.J. Shark (check out his latest interview). There are certain ideas/concepts that are generally well-known and taken for granted in the Seduction community that you will discover with or without his specific material. His most unique contribution has probably been the inclusion of evolutionary psychology concepts, check out his recent interview w/Geoffrey Miller.mkk359 said:
“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
Ross Jeffries stuff is good and it *works* (scary tho that is).
DYD is good for the basic mindset but it's very easy to get caught up in the "alpha Man" concept , which will fcuk you up for a while.
The problem with all of these is they assume you have lower value than a girl and have to do "stuff" to trick her into liking you.This means you can get to a reasoanbly good level reasonably quickly but you will never get beyond certain point because at the foundation you are still this dweeby guy hoping the front you have up will trick girls into liking you.
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Stephane's Ebook is excellent in terms of getting you over this "hot girls are special and I have to earn ***** from them" mentality.It's about the best thing I've ever read on seduction and it's free (www.ideagasms.com).
Jugglers ebook is great in terms of using this mind set practically using semi direct openers. The downside is that juggler thinks you have to establish certain kinds of tension to get a girl to fcuk you.
With regard to closing I like Gunwitch's first version of the gunwitch method , because his method is about peiople's natural sexuality expressing itself , rather than having to establish a "safe fliting dynamic" or whatever.
Between these three they create an effective , healthy , dynamic method for meeting and laying girls that doesn;t involve a lot of 'faking' , and doesn;t involve having to remeber or deliver any material just right.
Oh and I also reccommend "the G-Spot Orgasm" because it's nice to be doing all this PU stuff secure in the knowledge that you are going to be the best lay she's ever had.
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there is no tricking unless you're using Hypnosis or NLP of some sort. Most of the material is about raising the standards within yourself so you become more attractive to women. Learning how to handle yourself, increasing confidence, raising your value etc. There's no trickery involved in those concepts. You behave different and change your attitude around women and you increase your chances of being desirable to her.
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Joe The Homophobe said:
I couldn't agree more. I seriously have to say that my life is so much better because of what I've learned from David DeAngelo and the way he teaches you how to improve your life as a man.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
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This book teachs about how women easily play men. This will help you avoid crazy witches and be able to see gold diggers. This book also helps tell what is wrong with women.
Doc Love - The System (Dating Dictionary)
I thank this book because it helped me really understand women and men. This would really made me realize how to tell if a girl interested or not.
Carlos Xuma - Secrets of the Alpha Male
Great too helped me alot.
The Art Of Approaching Women
I'm gonna review this for my summer apporach journal good stuff.
Dating Insider
This isn't the best but it good to know. It explains also how times have changed
David DeAngelo
The man. I thank this guy for writing all this stuff down. Changed my life !!!
Napoleon Hill - Think And Grow Rich (Recommended by David DeAngelo)
Now this isn't gonna teach you how to get laid or pick up girls. But it helps understand life and build confidence. Read this if you want to have a great understand of life.
Robert Greene - The Art Of Seduction (Recommended by David DeAngelo)
I haven't read is yet. But David DeAngelo recommended ...
sun tzu - the art of war
Someone around here coverted the art of war into seducting women.
You can find this book on the internet for free.
Emotional intelligence
This will help with improvement and help understand women. ( Since women are more emotional ) I read some of it but stopped because i'm in the field. Will catch up on it later
Mr. Non-Juan
Not your stuff isn't bad man. I understand what you are doing. Teaching me now to lose every girl I meet. Which isn't a bad idea. It actually makes more sense and easier to understand too.
"Understanding the G-SPOT
and Female Sexuality A 10-Step Guide
for Unleashing the Ultimate in Female Ecstasy"
by Donald L. Hicks
And it's as good as the name promises.
God'sGift , if this thread is being read and people enjoy it , why moderate it?
Art of Seduction was abunch of arse. I got given a copy and threw it away.As if youre going to see some hot girl in a bar and think "Hmm , should I use the self destructive allure of the Rake, or attract her with the sexual ambivalence of the Coquette?"
Give me a break.
I actually just finished that book. It's chock full of wisdom about seduction and I'm soooo glad I read it. Also recommeneded on www.fastseduction.com is Robert Greene's - The Art of Power.Blackdragon5095 said:
Both are very excellent books by Robert Greene. I think every man who's on the path of self improvement and increase success with women should take the time out to read all of the recommended material.
Like alot of people have stated about becoming a DJ, understanding women, seduction and everything else is like obtaining a college degree. It never hurts to be well read and practiced in the subject you want to master.
Natch said:<snip>
Art of Seduction was abunch of arse. I got given a copy and threw it away.As if youre going to see some hot girl in a bar and think "Hmm , should I use the self destructive allure of the Rake, or attract her with the sexual ambivalence of the Coquette?"
Give me a break.
The Art of Seduction is not a guide to help you with a quick lay, it's written to give you a better understanding of how seduction works. I'm suprised you threw it away. Open your mind, pick it up and read it.
SeldomSeen
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Then you misunderstood the book. The AOS is not for some quick pickup / one night stand scenario. Its not just used on women also. It suited for long term seduction and he gives you examples of different types of seducers and then strategies seducers employed to attract the person they desired. I hate when people dismiss a book without fully understanding it. The Charmer and the Coquette are the two most useful types IMO.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
How and when have you found AOS useful?
Can you think of a situation where you did something based on what you learned in it and it helped you?
I used to agree with the general idea of making a larger-than-life persona that has glamour and magnetism , until I realised that it's far cooler if the persona you use to do that is your own rather than something you learned about in a book.
But really if there's useful stuff in there I'd love to hear what you though was good (cos I sure missed it).
SeldomSeen
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Natch 4 years ago when a girl I was dating dumped me hard I was in the bookstore and found the book (there just wasnt anything for men) and read it cover to cover and used it to actually pull her interest back to me and away from her badboy boyfriend she started dating after me. I mean it really woke me up and made me believe that you really do have the power to seduce and attract people. It made me rethink the way I think about attracting a person which before I was direct, saying the first thing on my mind and being angry if I didnt get my way. I learned to be more charming, less selfish and adding a mix of coquettry (being somewhat distant and disinterested at times) I meanNatch said:
it really had a powerful effect. But it was over the course of months that I did it. The chapter on mixing pain with pleasure is so important! Like Robert says it is those moments that bonds a person to you.
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