"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Alright so per my previous posts I have been stringing together a series of failures lately :) Most notably with this one girl i really liked that was basically coming onto me (summing up previous post), she works in the bar down the street from me. Took me long enough finally early last week I asked her, and she said yes and literally lit up when asked her. So she on was on duty and she coming back and forth to where I was sitting. Like an idiot, mostly wanting to make conversation she mentions where she likes to go out and that her friends are promoters.
My game turned to **** all of a sudden not sure, why just instinctively I started asking who she knew and we knew many of the same people in the nightlife circle, I got to one particular name and she laughed (fake) and had a look on her face of "oh figures". So she leaves and says she'll be right back. We were there for at least an hour and a half longer. Eventually I leave, and prob didnt help that I just left.
I was out of town, which I told her i was going to be. Went back in on Tues, wow just a complete 180. As much as she was flirting me before she was trying to avoid me. It was bad. When I left, I said by her nicely using her name, she just gave my friend and I the same look for about 2 seconds "bye guys" then looked away. Something about that conversation really set her off, she probably feels I'm a bit too close to her social circle or maybe had something with the guy's name I mentioned. However I am not even friends with these people, just people that see me out and I can ask to get on lists etc. So that is the summary of where I am at.


Now it appears to be dead, not sure I can re-engage the girl?But since I have nothing going on with her now what is there to lose by taking one last hail mary pass? Unless I can figure out something better, I just plan on flagging her down and asking her about our "date" (wont say date) or just tell her I am still looking forward to -------. My friend (a chick) actually told me in a joking manner I should ask her If I gave her a bad impression and use some self effacing humor about it? Regardless I will really regret not at least trying to get back on track.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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drf408 said:
My friend (a chick) actually told me in a joking manner I should ask her If I gave her a bad impression and use some self effacing humor about it? Regardless I will really regret not at least trying to get back on track.

Yeah. Definitely dont do that. Ever.

I'm not even sure what you did wrong. You asked her about a group of acquaintances that you might know.

If a girl is into you, could you imagine her saying "Yeah I'd totally bang drf408, BUT he was asking me about my friends, so now I'm turned off."

And if that was enough to turn her off, then she's lame anyway.

So my assumption is that either:
A - nothing is wrong and you're being paranoid

or

B - She didn't like you that much anyway.


Because if she did actually like you, and saw you as a quality prospect, then what you said shouldn't be enough to take away from that. So you know her social circle....so what. Either she's turned on by the idea of going out with you or she isn't.
 

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I totally disagree...with the exception you are right that would be lame of me to take that approach, you putting that as a quote makes that obvious. Girls are fickle,this isn't a coworker that I have the luxury of being able to talk to anytime but a girl I see in a bar..shes hot.she's got her guard up even my friend who was with me when we were there agrees, who is a female. Women will look at you at first and the first test is do they find you attractive but after that Its all on you..it can be the littles things that make them completely change their mine. My friend just lost out on a girl who was all but throwing herself at him once she got the idea he is a party guy out all time, same deal, total 180 doesn't give him the time of day. The lengths a guy will go to if physically attracted, for a girl its much different, the attraction just gets you on their radar after that its all the intangibles.If you manage to go out with them a few times the balance of power shifts...from my extensive experience and all of my friend's experiences as well.
 
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Not sure why this was bumped. But yes things can be salvaged. Long story short this girl came around in a big way again, but I didn't step up and got overly intimidated. I've posted about it. She pretty much delivered herself to me and i just choked. It was an eye opener to not care as much and not to put a girl up on a pedestal like that. Hard lesson as this girl was one of those girls that you only come across every once in a great while and every time I see her now I'm going to be reminded of what a chump I was but I'll use that as motivation.

**EDIT** One thing to add, is I never want to do this to myself again. First time in my life I've allowed myself to be intimidated by a girl. I saw her Friday night out, her friend was a royal ***** but she was friendly but more in a way that I'm just in her "acquaintance" category. I have written her off, I even started thinking that she could probably find better etc. THAT is the worst type of thinking to get into. I just saw a ton of pics of her from Friday night on the club website, just seeing her makes me feel terrible about myself and like she's some unobtainable thing way out of my league. Need to never allow that thinking back in my head going forward. However with her, no way to get it out**
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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