"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I'm trying to think how to best explain this. I am not used to feeling good,feeling on top,being generally pessimistic and bitter at times,I have my reasons for that I guess. But for along time,I have often also felt unatractive,whether it's due to my own looks,not saying i'm ugly,but weight has been somewhat a problem over the years,and staying on top of it just seems tough to do. How much does that affect attraction/perception? Cause it seems to me,well,at least it always have,that this don juan you/we aspire to be,is this ultra hot sex/chick magnet who turns all the heads when he enters the room? Am I looking at this realistically?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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1. Alot
2. Yes
3. You are looking realistically.

Time to stop looking realistically, and start moving your ass.
 

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About the sex magnet thing - No man not at all....thats largely down to genetics and very very few guys have it. I'm 6'1" 185, muscular but not much fat, and pretty decent looking, and I don't get that happening....plus I have better looking friends who don't have it made easy.

The goal of being a DJ is to maximise your appearance, but develop your game to the point where it becomes (mostly) irrelevant. Sure, a better looking guy with the same level of game will have it easier....but VERY few guys have good game, and even fewer have GREAT game - which can be learnt with time and dedication, and, IMO trumps good looks with average game.

Its your self-limiting beliefs holding you back. How much time do you spend out sarging and socialisng? Go and do it for 4 nights a week for 5 years, and take every daygame oppurtunity you can....then come back here and tell me your looks are holding you back...you won't because you'll be getting laid by hot women, guaranteed.
 

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Seriously, Caped Crusader needs banning, now. This is the same old **** we've been hearing over and over, don't bother trying to help him people, he won't listen.
 

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If you don't bring something to the table socially, it's going to be very difficult to get laid no matter how good looking you are because you're just not going to have the necessary social connections
A few weeks ago, I was a wingman with this random Italian dude. I only met him because the girls he was chatting up sent him over to come and get me. I was playing pool and was like "yeah, I'll be over after I win this game." So went over there after, and this guy was the most boring Italian guy ever. He just relied to heavily on his Italianness and didn't carry any of the conversation. He bored the girls so much so that they actually sent him over to the pool table to get me to talk to them.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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It has nothing to do with your genetic make up. It's all about personality. If you go into a situation with confidence radiating out of you with the brilliance of a thousand suns you are going to find that you will do much better than if you came in all mopy.
 

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CapedCrusader08 said:
I am not used to feeling good,feeling on top,being generally pessimistic and bitter at times,I have my reasons for that I guess. But for along time,I have often also felt unatractive,whether it's due to my own looks,not saying i'm ugly,but weight has been somewhat a problem over the years,and staying on top of it just seems tough to do.
Move out of your parents house, get a job and start paying for yourself. You will feel better if you get a job.
 

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CapedCrusader08 said:
I'm trying to think how to best explain this. I am not used to feeling good,feeling on top,being generally pessimistic and bitter at times,I have my reasons for that I guess. But for along time,I have often also felt unatractive,whether it's due to my own looks,not saying i'm ugly,but weight has been somewhat a problem over the years,and staying on top of it just seems tough to do. How much does that affect attraction/perception? Cause it seems to me,well,at least it always have,that this don juan you/we aspire to be,is this ultra hot sex/chick magnet who turns all the heads when he enters the room? Am I looking at this realistically?

1. go to the gym. LIFT WEIGHTS

2. change your inner beliefs(whatever it is withing, it's without)

3. dress nice

4. stop whining

5. DON'T BE LAZY

6. learn to make eye contact with women

she may be a dime but YOU'RE A 100 DOLLAR BILL.
 

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Well, Vypros, its been over three days, and the whining continues, and not one positive thing has been accomplished.

STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIKE ONE!!!!!
 

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ArMo said:
1. go to the gym. LIFT WEIGHTS

2. change your inner beliefs(whatever it is withing, it's without)

3. dress nice

4. stop whining

5. DON'T BE LAZY

6. learn to make eye contact with women

she may be a dime but YOU'RE A 100 DOLLAR BILL.
Man dont give this fool player supreme's game - it'll go into one ear and out the other.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Why do people actually choose to reply to these threads.

CC is a stupid troll. Do not FEED THE TROLL.
 

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Hey, trimming down to a healthy weight should be an objective for you. Forget women -- this is for your own health.

You know the deal: stop eating a lot of unhealthy food (some is ok), and add in healthy foods into your diet. Find an execise you enjoy. Find a hobby (whether physical or mental) that gets your mind off eating. Hell, you can lose weight by becoming addicted to video games.

And weight matters a lot, but it's just one (small) factor. Less of an issue than you think (coming from a 6'1, 152 lb twink). The only objective 9.9+ I know in real life is engaged to an "overweight guy". I define overweight at BMI >25 without ridiculous muscle mass -- he does hold his weight well. He just has a lot going for him and a good personality i guess.
 

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Why have you not listened to eckhart tolle?

Only commitment will change you.

I will not keep telling you different things.

Your answers have already been given.

Now it is up to you to find them.

And they are not in the form of information.

What? Listen to Eckhart Tolle.
 
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Look,no more negative topics ok. My problem is obviously no game,or very little at all,and it feels like something I have not developed enough over the years,and problems from that. I mean,there has been very little to no success over the years,and the older I seem to get,the harder it seems to get back up on the horse.

As for going out,well,That's rare. Other than work,or just getting out of the house for a little while,I don't get out much and don't have a regular social routine. Been a problem for a while.

"That said, I used to have this image in my head (probably from watching TV) that the only guys who got laid were the cool, tall, muscular jock guys with 6-packs and fast cars. But when I went to college and actually started hanging out with people and socializing, I was shocked by the guys I saw hooking up with very hot chicks. These guys are not in shape at all, they are just skinny college kids. How was this possible? It's because they are confident, social, funny, and fun to be around.

It seems like 99% of the time (at least in college), girls only have sex/get into relationships with guys who are somehow in their social group or someone they met through a friend. If you don't bring something to the table socially, it's going to be very difficult to get laid no matter how good looking you are because you're just not going to have the necessary social connections. It's a numbers game and the more people you know/socialize with, the higher your chances of eventually running into a girl who is attracted to you and knows someone you know who can vouch for you.

Personally, this is the problem I'm having now - I just don't know enough people. It seems like most people in college hang out with the same core group of people they've been hanging out with since at least freshman year, and usually even since high school. If you're not a member of a group, it's going to be a hell of a lot harder. People are very cliquey, and the groups are very exclusive. When I go to bars/clubs, everyone there just hangs out with the people they showed up with and rarely talks to anyone else (which makes me wonder what the point of going to bars/clubs is, but that's another subject)." Still have said similar problem(s).

I am naturally bitter,angry,and pessimistic,but don't go around showing it. I mean hate people and there shallowness and superficiality. I could never fit in or identify with the herd mentality,and always hated those who did in whatever way they did. And it goes with everything from people,to clothes,to music,to movies,etc.

"It has nothing to do with your genetic make up. It's all about personality. If you go into a situation with confidence radiating out of you with the brilliance of a thousand suns you are going to find that you will do much better than if you came in all mopy." How do I do that?

Also,this pornography thing,it's become such a habit over the years,I worry how much it has affected me in other ways,such as social development.
 
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Your writing skills are improving. Thats something positive, right? In your last post there is less whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine (I can go on forever; ssshhh little piggy). Also more punctuation and structure. Maybe you have found some new energy?

Everyone is in pain. You cant see it because you are selfcentered. Usually if you call other ppl shallow you are the one being shallow. I think you are shallow in the sense that you have set up camp in your head. And you REFUSE to get out. But there is nothing there that is of worth. No solutions, no love, just scorn. You try to keep your head above water at all times. One must descend under, into the body to feel, to be.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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CapedCrusader08 said:
I could never fit in or identify with the herd mentality,and always hated those who did in whatever way they did. And it goes with everything from people,to clothes,to music,to movies,etc.
I rather have a herd mentality according to you than to be bitter about everyone and be unique about that... Why post here if you hate people with this type of herd mentality. It's funny you hate this type of mentality, but you want the results that come from this type of mentality that sure makes lots of sense caped. Where has your mentality gotten you are you happy? are you dating any women? do you feel great when you wake up in the morning? This is my last post to you your post made me feel sort of sick.
 

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CapedCrusader08 said:
Look,no more negative topics ok. My problem is obviously no game,or very little at all,and it feels like something I have not developed enough over the years,and problems from that. I mean,there has been very little to no success over the years,and the older I seem to get,the harder it seems to get back up on the horse.

As for going out,well,That's rare. Other than work,or just getting out of the house for a little while,I don't get out much and don't have a regular social routine. Been a problem for a while.

"That said, I used to have this image in my head (probably from watching TV) that the only guys who got laid were the cool, tall, muscular jock guys with 6-packs and fast cars. But when I went to college and actually started hanging out with people and socializing, I was shocked by the guys I saw hooking up with very hot chicks. These guys are not in shape at all, they are just skinny college kids. How was this possible? It's because they are confident, social, funny, and fun to be around.

I am naturally bitter,angry,and pessimistic,but don't go around showing it. I mean hate people and there shallowness and superficiality. I could never fit in or identify with the herd mentality,and always hated those who did in whatever way they did. And it goes with everything from people,to clothes,to music,to movies,etc.

"It has nothing to do with your genetic make up. It's all about personality. If you go into a situation with confidence radiating out of you with the brilliance of a thousand suns you are going to find that you will do much better than if you came in all mopy." How do I do that?

Also,this pornography thing,it's become such a habit over the years,I worry how much it has affected me in other ways,such as social development.
You are living in the past. You have identified the problems, good,now let them go. Awareness is all that is necessary. You can also live in the fantasty world and keep asking "but how do i let go" "but these are important problems" "but theyre so much a part of me" and no one will stop you. Just like you choose to live in that fairy tale in your mind, you can just choose to become aware of your problems, sit with them there for a minute in awareness of them without commentary, and you will drop them.

O**** chris, I dunno how to do this, you will excuse. But I've told you1 000000x times, and somehow you think a bunch of people on a forum on the internet have better things to tell you than a multi-million worldwide selling author who has had his books published in multiple languages. Shows how much you really wanna follow advice.

CapedCrusader08 said:
It seems like 99% of the time (at least in college), girls only have sex/get into relationships with guys who are somehow in their social group or someone they met through a friend. If you don't bring something to the table socially, it's going to be very difficult to get laid no matter how good looking you are because you're just not going to have the necessary social connections. It's a numbers game and the more people you know/socialize with, the higher your chances of eventually running into a girl who is attracted to you and knows someone you know who can vouch for you.

Personally, this is the problem I'm having now - I just don't know enough people. It seems like most people in college hang out with the same core group of people they've been hanging out with since at least freshman year, and usually even since high school. If you're not a member of a group, it's going to be a hell of a lot harder. People are very cliquey, and the groups are very exclusive. When I go to bars/clubs, everyone there just hangs out with the people they showed up with and rarely talks to anyone else (which makes me wonder what the point of going to bars/clubs is, but that's another subject)." Still have said similar problem(s).
The 1st paragraph here is a lie because of what you say in the 2nd paragraph. You're assuming, which is limiting, and moreover, you're assuming a bad thing, which is stupid! If you're going to work your mind as a tool in this way, at least do it to your benefit!

The last thing is that you need to take in what is said to you. We humans, and those of us specifically on self help forums, are helpful and compassionate in nature, that is why we come to you. Not because of anything you can thinkin in your mind, that is the reason. Some of us could genuinely care if you succeeded, most of us with that ability of compassion lost it a long time ago. That being said, it is not something that needs to be won back, because it is not something that existed in your perception from the start. The views of others are nothing if you don't have yours sorted out, and at the same time everything. You are a bitter disappointment, don't fool yourself. More importantly, don't lie to yourself. You have been given the same advice 1000x times and you are a fool for tricking yourself into maybe reading the topic once then going to sleep and saying **** i wont do what they say but maybe if i keep thinking about my problems will go away somehow because i've figured them out.

But all that is in the past. That burns the question, are you a bitter disapppointment now? The now is all that is changeable. Do you take action now, or are you a bitter disappointment? Read this topic all again is step 1. Then take action is step 2.

What action? Well I have said it 5400 times but you have not respected me worth a damn any of those times enough to follow what i say, or you have not respected yourself. Either way, don't turn that into a problem. You don't need more problems. The first action step is reading Eckhart Tolle. Listen, there are two kinds of self help. The first is on the level of all your problems you've adequately listed here. You can go to book after book and product after product, as I have used over 2500 hours doing. They teach you neat tricks and whatnot, but the base of the problem is still there. That is what most of the responses on self help sites are. Deal with the problems, cause thats all the people know.

Our minds are problem-solving and problem-creating machines. Regardless of what you think, or how long your "hiatus from problems" lasts, there is only one cure for the mind-made situation of mental problems. It is by going beyond them completely, so nothing in your life is ever out of your control again. This does not entail you gaining control of everything, but rather accepting everything, and understanding what little in the world it is you control. That is only a small part of it, and what "it" is cant be described in words, only pointed to. Maybe that is why you have ignored my wisdom to Eckhart Tolle, you may not be ready to go beyond your problems. But there will come a day. So keep suffering, or not. Really we here helping you do not care if you get better, or anyone who comes posts really, unless theyve got some sort of especially sad case, where that feeling of deep compassion as a reaction goes away eventually anyway. Your life is only yours to live, and you will eventually decide when enough is enough. Enough believing your problems are the biggest thing in the world, enough lying to yourself, and enough suffering.

My only goal here is to get you to listen to this man. My only hope is that they've succeeded. Eckhart Tolle.
 

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Well, Vypros, its been over three days, and the whining continues, and not one positive thing has been accomplished.

STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIKE ONE!!!!!
Agreed. He's got a strike against him because he still hasn't accomplished the first task I set for him. And it's a simple fvcking task.

Look, dude, personally if you can't even put together a halfway readable list of goals, how the fvck do you ever expect to change?

Personally, I really don't feel like helping you anymore simply because I can tell that you just aren't ready to change. Perhaps when you are ready to change, truly ready to change, you can come back and we'll get back to it.
 

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If he hasn't changed by now, he never will.
 
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I did start listening to some of that Eckhart Tolle stuff,very good. I am going to post that list of goals,but I am tired right now,I am trying to think more positivley,but there is alot of self limiting beliefs and lack of confidence's I feel I have yet to overcome in time.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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