Being a DJ/PUA while not having vices(aka smoking, drinking)?

[Deicide]

Hello, I had a conversation with a friend last night, and he was basically telling me that I wasn't going to have much success with wilder women because I don't drink or smoke. And that, not doing vices equates to women thinking you're boring all-around and in bed. I believe in myself more than he does, but he tells me that I come across as a goody two shoes in my approaches with women. I didn't like his views on taking things slow either(not kissing on the first date or touching), but the conversation did reveal some things about myself.
Still, I'm not crazy about beginning to drink. But if doing it a little will help me get laid, then bring on the mixed drinks. haha And I'm going to start going to college parties more often. There's no way I will start smoking. I don't have any tattoos or piercings either. But, I approach women on a regular basis(check my Field Journal and you'll see), and I've improved myself a lot in that area. Though, I almost exclusively do day-game approaches. I haven't done night-game approaches yet this year, but I believe I will be doing that this week.
So, what is the consensus on being a DJ/PUA that doesn't have vices or does them minimally?

 

[Jariel]

I have no vices either. I've never been a drinker, don't want to do drugs and quit smoking about 5 years ago. Some people do act surprised when they find out, but it has never gone against me. If they ask why I'll tell them either it's because I'm very strict about my gym and nutrition routine or I play the mystery card and tell them "It's a long story" or "I have a bad history with alchohol" (which is actually true in my case).

If you are quick to give in to peer pressure or start drinking just to help you get laid, you're already going against the DJ principles. Sure, it might help loosen you up, give you some fake and temporary confidence, but won't be worth it when you can't shift your beer gut in years to come, or when getting laid means waking up with some battle pig the next day because your judgement was impaired, or when you depend on alcohol for your confidence and start drinking more and more just to feel good about yourself.

Forget this idea of being a bad boy if that's not you. I'm not exactly a bad boy myself...in fact, most people like me and think I'm a genuinely good guy, so I focus on qualities such as charisma, conversational skills and connecting with women, and that works excpetionally well for me.

Inconsistency is a really terrible trait when it comes to seduction. Women can sense fake guys a mile away and if you're pretending to be a bad boy, they'll know it and you'll end up looking like an insecure fool...like a LOT of AFCs out there.

 

[Blackmm]

I don't drink either, but I discovered early on that a coke looks a lot like a Bourbon and coke in a glass. Thats what I would have in a club to not look drink-less.

 

[Masculinity]

Ameeen! I'm in the exact same situation. Mu buddy said I "x out" because I don't drink, smoke cigarettes or weed. I'm not going to get into vices to get women, that's just lame.

I did miss out on an hb9 about a three years ago though. Her exact works were "you're a good boy" and she never talked to me again. She had a very nice a$$ and nice tits, but she was a pot head. I still have issues trying to understand how these innocent-looking women can be such vvhores.

 

[Alle_Gory]

I still have issues trying to understand how these innocent-looking women can be such vvhores.

You know what they say about judging a book by its cover.

 

[blueline]

I'm going to outright state that the PUA concept is mostly a marketing scam. There's no two ways about it, though. If you want to get the badass girls, you have to be a badboy and this is what being a PUA is all about. It's all about fostering that badboy image, regardless of whether or not your personality is suited for it. In about a year of being involved in the party lifestyle as a result of getting into PUA, I tried so many drugs for the first time including weed (it's always nice to just zone out on this after a party, it's also a wonderful technique to isolate girls), alcohol (this year marks the first year I've been regularly getting drunk once or twice a week to meet girls), ecstasy, smoking cigarettes (I've never bought a pack, but I always manage to bum around 3 cigarettes each party I go to because it's a very relaxed way to meet girls), cocaine (the ULTIMATE pull for club girls; you will not believe how many times this has resulted in *******s), and MDMA. For someone with life long serious depression issues, these drugs have lead me to nothing besides lower and lower emotional rock bottoms after the come down (weed doesn't really have this effect, but the rest certainly do). Most of the women I meet through these things are damaged and broken.

I mean, really, the women that are actually attracted to guys that do crazy things like drugs and emotionally manipulate them are just as manipulative and mentally deranged as the guys who do this stuff.

If you are the type that can party 2 days a week (this is how you get 'good') without drinking or doing drugs, then great. I did for the first 4 months of my PUA stint and then I realized only one of the PUA goons I hung out with actually got laid very often. Guess what kind of person this guy is? A total badboy.

I then branched off from that guy's friends into this group of folks that party every weekend and started "sarging" entirely on my own through my connections. EVERY SINGLE DATE I've ever had has involved alcohol, cigarettes (another great way to isolate a girl), marijuana, or a combination of the three. On my last date, the girl just got me a bit drunk and extremely high, then I told her I thought she was cute and jumped on her. We had sex instantly. Wasn't worth it.

Good luck staying away from drugs.

 

[backbreaker]

I never got more ass in my entire life than when I was drug and drink free in AA. That's the most BS I ever heard that you have to get trashed to get ass. I would go to bars, and tell people I don't drink and still get digits/numbers/laid.

Becuase I don't have any negative vices, I have more money to do other things, I dress better, I have more expendible income.. if this makes me a bad catch, then in relaity, the woman is the one with the problem.


the problem men have is thinking all women becuase they have tits and ass, are worthy candidates, they are not. A woman that ****ing stupid, to not **** you because you dont' drink.. step back and read that again. A woman that will not **** you because you don't drink, autotoss. That's not the type of woman I want to put my **** in anyway. Seriously. I don't car how hot she is. I can and will do better. And I do better.

You are ****ing with some low quality skanks if you HAVE to have weed/drinks to **** them. I'll tell a woman in the minute no i don't drink and you are going to **** me anyway becuase I'm still the ****, next question?

it's the stupidest ****ing argument thing about "sarging" I have ever heard.


Listen guys, Any woman that makes you quesiton your core values, beliefs, to get in her nookie sack, is not worth the persuit.

I have no problem with drinking. But I dont' have to drink to get in the mood or get in some worked up drunken state, nor do I want my women I"m laying the pipe to, to be in that type of senerio. This isn't high school guys, we are grown ass men now who do grown up things. When I did not drink at all, women who would look at me funny or what not, thanks for disqualifying yourself lol. I still got mad ass, and was 100% sober in the morning to remember it. God if I could show some of you guys the dimes I used to take out 100% drug and alcohol free, drinking virgin daiquiri's and dr pepper.

Stop making ****ing decisions based off what you think women want.

 

[Masculinity]

I never got more ass in my entire life than when I was drug and drink free in AA. That's the most BS I ever heard that you have to get trashed to get ass. I would go to bars, and tell people I don't drink and still get digits/numbers/laid.

Becuase I don't have any negative vices, I have more money to do other things, I dress better, I have more expendible income.. if this makes me a bad catch, then in relaity, the woman is the one with the problem.


the problem men have is thinking all women becuase they have tits and ass, are worthy candidates, they are not. A woman that ****ing stupid, to not **** you because you dont' drink.. step back and read that again. A woman that will not **** you because you don't drink, autotoss. That's not the type of woman I want to put my **** in anyway. Seriously. I don't car how hot she is. I can and will do better. And I do better.

You are ****ing with some low quality skanks if you HAVE to have weed/drinks to **** them. I'll tell a woman in the minute no i don't drink and you are going to **** me anyway becuase I'm still the ****, next question?

it's the stupidest ****ing argument thing about "sarging" I have ever heard.


Listen guys, Any woman that makes you quesiton your core values, beliefs, to get in her nookie sack, is not worth the persuit.

I have no problem with drinking. But I dont' have to drink to get in the mood or get in some worked up drunken state, nor do I want my women I"m laying the pipe to, to be in that type of senerio. This isn't high school guys, we are grown ass men now who do grown up things. When I did not drink at all, women who would look at me funny or what not, thanks for disqualifying yourself lol. I still got mad ass, and was 100% sober in the morning to remember it. God if I could show some of you guys the dimes I used to take out 100% drug and alcohol free, drinking virgin daiquiri's and dr pepper.

Stop making ****ing decisions based off what you think women want.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree in every word. Women who make you do these things aren't worthy of your time, attention, not to mention money. There are many nice bodies out there, but just as the guy after me in my first response said: don't judge a book by its cover. Women are certainly not the exception to this rule.

I am proud to say I am 21 years old and I have never been drunk, consumed any kind of controlled substance including cigarettes and marijuana. Have I ever tasted alcohol? I have had a glass of whine under the roof of my parents while at dinner with my family. Don't let vices take over you guys; you know much better than that. Thanks backbreaker!

 

[blueline]

To me, partying is just fucking boring if you're not in the process of reeling in a woman or using d&a. Obviously you can't be pulling babes every night, every other night, or even every month sometimes unless you're really pretty. After you've mingled with every single girl you're attracted to at a party and got zero bites, then what are you going to do? Stand around and talk about nothing meaningful with your friends and just vibe? I enjoy that as much as the next guy, but I can't do it 2 days a week from 9pm-3am.

Again, this is just me. Maybe if you were 6'3" with a chiseled face and had babes crawling all over you (yes, this happens when you hit a critical mass of looks; if you don't believe me, you just haven't partied with enough tall guys with chiseled jaw lines) in the right parties or content with pulling <7's (10's being models), then it might be fun w/o d&a. Otherwise, there is no point.

 

[backbreaker]

I will even go one step futher. I have never ever in my life smoked a cig. Ever. EVER. I never have saw the point.

T?here was this waitress at this sports bar I visitied often who I knew like dme. I caught her outside smoking one day and I said babe youw ould have to keep some listerine or some **** around me or something if you want to kiss me, I don't do cig smoke. I was ****ing iwth her at that point in a half serious manner, she was married.

We ended up ****ing like a week later. we ****ed for about 2 months, and in that 2 months, i never saw her light up a cig once, and when she did at my house she would go outside to do so. I have to smoke to get laid my ass ***** this is my house. IF youw ant this **** you are going to do what the **** I say and that's that.

but I can't do it 2 days a week from 9pm-3am.

Show me a guy that stays out to 3am 2 nights a week and I will show you a guy who is broke and has no future.


Early to bed early to raise, makes a man healthy, welahty and wise my friend. Something I realized quite early, earlier than most people my age I think is that, when I stay out to 3-4am.. in reality what i have done, is I have lost 2 days. worth of productivity. I have lost that day and I have lost the next day. lol, truth be told, that's the thought that really helped me get over the hump in my drug addiction, becuase when i would come down, i was usless the next day. So a 7 day week gets cut down to 5 days and if you are like me and you went out on a wednesday night, and didn't get to bed utnil 5am, you really have ****ed the rest of the week.

Again, this is just me. Maybe if you were 6'3" with a chiseled face and had babes crawling all over you (yes, this happens when you hit a critical mass of looks) in the right parties or content with pulling <7's (10's being models), then it might be fun w/o d&a. Otherwise, there is no point.

I would rate myself a solid 7.5, maybe on a really good day 8 out of 10. I work out daily, I have a nice body but i'm not a pro bodybuilder or anything, but I stand out. See, the club industry is a funny industry as it has sold people, (i.e guys) on this idea that this is the place where you want to be, this is the place where you can get the female attention the place where you can meet ladies, the p,lace where they will respond to your advices.. with just a few helpings of mr. liquor I will "be banging fat *****es in no time lol"

What guys fail to realize, is that it's not the club scene that is ****ed up, it's you that is ****ed up lol. What i mean is me being a pretty good looking guy who takes care of himself, I get hit on, sometimes ven pretty overly, on a pretty regular basis, sometimes even in front of my woman.

IF you are are a catch, women will ****ing find you lol. you don't have to go to a club to be seen or noticed by women. When I was going ot AA meetings women would find their way to sit by me or make sure they introduced thesmelves to me after meetings, in one case, even ask me to take her to the gym lol, like every day. When I go to starbucks, which is one day a week just to get out the house i sit down and do my work, how there is one particular waitress who goes out of her way to talk to me. I had left my gym bag at the gym one day about a year ago, went back to get it later that day and I was on my way out that night and was dressed to the brim, the next day I showed up at the gym, the girl at the front desk has been eying me sense. She asked me is the woman that comes in all the time with me my girlfriend, when i said yes she said that's too bad lol. She's 18 by the way, in college to be a nutritionist, and has the nicest ass i have ever seen in my life (a real, athletic woman's ass on a fat ass).. oh yeah she doesn't drink or smoke. Or how one day I was in barnes and noble and this nice redhead came up to me and wanted to "ask me if that is a good book I was reading" (the God Delusion), we ended up dating/sex for about a month and a half. One day I went and went to talk to a group of people in impatient rehab, AA related stuff, hospitals and instantiations, what your life was like, what happened and how I am now.. the woman that was there.. quite cute I might add, asked me I wanted to have coffee. I did, and she wanted it lol, i could tell but i didn't make a move on her.

my whole point is, that if you are catch, women will find you. if you aren't women aren't going to magically jump on your ****, regardless of the setting.

Instead of focusing on the venue, get your diet game down to a T, work out daily, read some **** besides this forum lol. Become the guy that women see in their eye and say humm. I would like to lick whip cream off his nutts. You know you got a woman down for whatever when she is licking whip cream off your nads man.

 

[blueline]

Like I said, I actually enjoy doing drugs. Ultimately, I realize that it ruins my emotional balance and health, and therefore, I am going to quit altogether. I did not start doing d&a because of peer pressure (I didn't get proper drunk until 23 years of age! I spent years resisting social pressures!), I do d&a because I'm bored at parties. Unfortunately, I feel like bars/parties/clubs are the only places I can consistently get laid. I have to construct a MASSIVE social web in order to meet enough girls that I can finally find some pretty girl crazy enough to bang me. Drugs facilitate finding such girls. Otherwise, it's <7's for me.

 

[Deicide]

I will even go one step futher. I have never ever in my life smoked a cig. Ever. EVER. I never have saw the point.

T?here was this waitress at this sports bar I visitied often who I knew like dme. I caught her outside smoking one day and I said babe youw ould have to keep some listerine or some **** around me or something if you want to kiss me, I don't do cig smoke. I was ****ing iwth her at that point in a half serious manner, she was married.

We ended up ****ing like a week later. we ****ed for about 2 months, and in that 2 months, i never saw her light up a cig once, and when she did at my house she would go outside to do so. I have to smoke to get laid my ass ***** this is my house. IF youw ant this **** you are going to do what the **** I say and that's that.


Show me a guy that stays out to 3am 2 nights a week and I will show you a guy who is broke and has no future.


Early to bed early to raise, makes a man healthy, welahty and wise my friend. Something I realized quite early, earlier than most people my age I think is that, when I stay out to 3-4am.. in reality what i have done, is I have lost 2 days. worth of productivity. I have lost that day and I have lost the next day. lol, truth be told, that's the thought that really helped me get over the hump in my drug addiction, becuase when i would come down, i was usless the next day. So a 7 day week gets cut down to 5 days and if you are like me and you went out on a wednesday night, and didn't get to bed utnil 5am, you really have ****ed the rest of the week.



I would rate myself a solid 7.5, maybe on a really good day 8 out of 10. I work out daily, I have a nice body but i'm not a pro bodybuilder or anything, but I stand out. See, the club industry is a funny industry as it has sold people, (i.e guys) on this idea that this is the place where you want to be, this is the place where you can get the female attention the place where you can meet ladies, the p,lace where they will respond to your advices.. with just a few helpings of mr. liquor I will "be banging fat *****es in no time lol"

What guys fail to realize, is that it's not the club scene that is ****ed up, it's you that is ****ed up lol. What i mean is me being a pretty good looking guy who takes care of himself, I get hit on, sometimes ven pretty overly, on a pretty regular basis, sometimes even in front of my woman.

IF you are are a catch, women will ****ing find you lol. you don't have to go to a club to be seen or noticed by women. When I was going ot AA meetings women would find their way to sit by me or make sure they introduced thesmelves to me after meetings, in one case, even ask me to take her to the gym lol, like every day. When I go to starbucks, which is one day a week just to get out the house i sit down and do my work, how there is one particular waitress who goes out of her way to talk to me. I had left my gym bag at the gym one day about a year ago, went back to get it later that day and I was on my way out that night and was dressed to the brim, the next day I showed up at the gym, the girl at the front desk has been eying me sense. She asked me is the woman that comes in all the time with me my girlfriend, when i said yes she said that's too bad lol. She's 18 by the way, in college to be a nutritionist, and has the nicest ass i have ever seen in my life (a real, athletic woman's ass on a fat ass).. oh yeah she doesn't drink or smoke. Or how one day I was in barnes and noble and this nice redhead came up to me and wanted to "ask me if that is a good book I was reading" (the God Delusion), we ended up dating/sex for about a month and a half. One day I went and went to talk to a group of people in impatient rehab, AA related stuff, hospitals and instantiations, what your life was like, what happened and how I am now.. the woman that was there.. quite cute I might add, asked me I wanted to have coffee. I did, and she wanted it lol, i could tell but i didn't make a move on her.

my whole point is, that if you are catch, women will find you. if you aren't women aren't going to magically jump on your ****, regardless of the setting.

Instead of focusing on the venue, get your diet game down to a T, work out daily, read some **** besides this forum lol. Become the guy that women see in their eye and say humm. I would like to lick whip cream off his nutts. You know you got a woman down for whatever when she is licking whip cream off your nads man.

Cool, thanks for the advice. Women never approach me for anything. Maybe I'm not so great looking then, but that just means I have to be more of the hunter like always. I definitely need to stay in good shape though.

 

[blueline]

Both ugly and good looking guys need game in order to keep a girl, however ugly dudes also need it to get the girl. Have you ever seen tall, chiseled face guys continuously reject girls fawning over them at parties? I have.

 

[xdreamz]

drugs are not good to get into. they hinder your lifestyle and drain your resources, that's what i learned from it, blocks sex too. im having a hard enough time with cigarrettes but if you can get rid of it too then your health and body will be better off. if ur at a party and everybody drinking then it's ok to drink a bit. i smoke weed once in a while but it does not help me get girls at all. i've met the people that party like rockstars they do drugs and get weird girls...that's not me, im not going to try to be that. the best way to deal with girls that wanna have sex and do drugs is you let them do it but u don't do it too. speaking from my experience.

 

[RSanders219]

What your friend is saying is NOT TRUE AT ALL. One of my best friends does not drink, smoke, or use other drugs and never has. He's just got that natural gift of gab. This guy still goes out to the bars with me and a few other friends that enjoy drinking and he still manages to pick up women. Probably better than all of us for that matter! Haha