"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
So pimp its scary
Master Don Juan
because you are so freakishly ugly that she just can't take her eyes off of you???
Because you are standing between her and her bf??
Because you keep staring at her like a damn stalker??
Because you are standing between her and her bf??
Because you keep staring at her like a damn stalker??
EC question
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because you are so freakishly ugly that she just can't take her eyes off of you???
Answer
No, I have been out with some real bombshells, I dont lack confidence in my looks.)
Because you are standing between her and her bf??
AnswerI work in an office enviroment that is 60%-70% women. So, unless she is a lesbian looking at a middleaged woman that sets behind me, I doubt it...LOL)
Because you keep staring at her like a damn stalker??
(She started it...LOL) and I get vibes she is looking at me first even before I glance at her.
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To each of your anwers:
because you are so freakishly ugly that she just can't take her eyes off of you???
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No, I have been out with some real bombshells, I dont lack confidence in my looks.)Because you are standing between her and her bf??
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I work in an office enviroment that is 60%-70% women. So, unless she is a lesbian looking at a middleaged woman that sets behind me, I doubt it...LOL)Because you keep staring at her like a damn stalker??
(She started it...LOL) and I get vibes she is looking at me first even before I glance at her.
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For simple queries like these, why don't you break it down a little to understand things better. First of all, why would a person consistently make eye contact with another person? Looking at this generally, it's because the person finds it interesting to look at your face or eyes or your expression or whatever it has to do with your body part above your neck. But why would a person find it interesting to look at you consistently? Human beings have a tendency to do things for many weird ass reasons. Unless you know this person well, you could ponder over this until the cows come home. If you knew this person better, you wouldn't be asking this question. That would mean that you should be getting to know this person better instead of wondering what's going on in her mind.
Analysing things is all good and a great way of 'excercising' the mind. But if you constantly just analyse things without ever conducting experiments, results will never be found.
Analysing things is all good and a great way of 'excercising' the mind. But if you constantly just analyse things without ever conducting experiments, results will never be found.
So pimp its scary
Master Don Juan
Aww, how cute, repoting the post to the mods...
If you're gonna get so offended by the answers, why not just not ask a question where you clearly set yourself up for a burn... Don't believe me, reread that post of yours...
2 things tho; Avoid dating chicks that you work with... unless it's a crap job that you don't care about.
Also, why would you have to ask? How about you just grab onto that fleshy sack where your balls should be, and ask her out or something... if you do, you might feel a lump growing in your hand... don't worry, it's just your balls growing back to regular size.
(Mods, I think you should have a serious talk with this SPIS guy, he's starting to piss off the locals... )
If you're gonna get so offended by the answers, why not just not ask a question where you clearly set yourself up for a burn... Don't believe me, reread that post of yours...
2 things tho; Avoid dating chicks that you work with... unless it's a crap job that you don't care about.
Also, why would you have to ask? How about you just grab onto that fleshy sack where your balls should be, and ask her out or something... if you do, you might feel a lump growing in your hand... don't worry, it's just your balls growing back to regular size.
(Mods, I think you should have a serious talk with this SPIS guy, he's starting to piss off the locals... )
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
So pimp its scary
Master Don Juan
I debated whether or not to make the response public, and figured that if you went out of your way to make the message private, I'll do you the service of keeping it that way. Except your mailbox is full so the answer was made for me.
Don't feel so targeted, I make a point to offend alot of people, it shows me what they are made of... gotta be able to read people one way or the other.
Now, I can respect that you make a sizeable income, but don't you get all high and mighty because of that either.
I've learned to judge people based on who they bring to the table. A persons clothes, look, car, money, jump-shot, whatever, makes absolutely no difference to me. I will treat someone based on who they are when they sit at the table, and not what they birng with them. (Some useful advice in there as well, because with women, that levels the playing field...)
BTW, you've also showed that you are serious about learning, and coming to this website, that is something that I respect. Most people are just asking rediculous questions because they are looking for the quick fix... and the unfortunate part is that there is no quck fix. Unless your just looking to settle for the first woman that comes around instead of a great woman.
In the future, I'll answer your questions... (Which I still did answer your question) but if you open yourself up to a joke, by all means I'm going to crack it... the same I'll do with anyone man or woman, at work or on the streets. Don't get so offended by it.
Don't feel so targeted, I make a point to offend alot of people, it shows me what they are made of... gotta be able to read people one way or the other.
Now, I can respect that you make a sizeable income, but don't you get all high and mighty because of that either.
I've learned to judge people based on who they bring to the table. A persons clothes, look, car, money, jump-shot, whatever, makes absolutely no difference to me. I will treat someone based on who they are when they sit at the table, and not what they birng with them. (Some useful advice in there as well, because with women, that levels the playing field...)
BTW, you've also showed that you are serious about learning, and coming to this website, that is something that I respect. Most people are just asking rediculous questions because they are looking for the quick fix... and the unfortunate part is that there is no quck fix. Unless your just looking to settle for the first woman that comes around instead of a great woman.
In the future, I'll answer your questions... (Which I still did answer your question) but if you open yourself up to a joke, by all means I'm going to crack it... the same I'll do with anyone man or woman, at work or on the streets. Don't get so offended by it.
EC reply
Hey, just so you know, I never had what you would call a great social life when it comes to women(thats why Im here). I weighed over 400lbs coming out of college. Spent two years in the gym and got myself down to 239lbs. I finally got to dating around and also focused on my career.
I got into a relationship for two years with someone & in the end, I got burned. So basically from 1994-1999 , I never even tried to date anyone.
I decided to start using ideas from my job to get confidence in dating again and it has helped some. Unfortunately, I have moved around so much since 1996 till now, I havent stayed anywhere long enough to develope a relationship.
It finally dawned on me that as long as I keep using that as an excuse. It will always be an obstacle. I have been in Chicago only one year and it looks like I could be having to relocate again by next fall of 2006. So you can imaging how frustrating a guy can get. I have spent so much time in the work place that its really all that I know (As far as trying to date women from work) I have no skill in trying to meet women cold. Never was into the bar scene. My biggest hobby is golf, but I never seem to run into any ladies there for some reason(I have shot 78 twice though...LOL).
Im now entering my late 30's. I have thus far found that it is easier get into shape or make money.
However, finding your soul mate is the ultimate challenge that has alluded me. I enjoy this site because it pretty much is Networking to improve your self esteem and dating.
I really wasnt offended at your orignal reply as much as the second time when you suggested that I needed booted from the dicusson board.
ps. by the way, my inbox fills up after 4 messages. working on that... LOL. Also I must have inadvertantly hit the button that reports the discussions. wasnt intentional. I appreciate your honesty and I am very open minded to any help I can get. Thanks.
Hey, just so you know, I never had what you would call a great social life when it comes to women(thats why Im here). I weighed over 400lbs coming out of college. Spent two years in the gym and got myself down to 239lbs. I finally got to dating around and also focused on my career.
I got into a relationship for two years with someone & in the end, I got burned. So basically from 1994-1999 , I never even tried to date anyone.
I decided to start using ideas from my job to get confidence in dating again and it has helped some. Unfortunately, I have moved around so much since 1996 till now, I havent stayed anywhere long enough to develope a relationship.
It finally dawned on me that as long as I keep using that as an excuse. It will always be an obstacle. I have been in Chicago only one year and it looks like I could be having to relocate again by next fall of 2006. So you can imaging how frustrating a guy can get. I have spent so much time in the work place that its really all that I know (As far as trying to date women from work) I have no skill in trying to meet women cold. Never was into the bar scene. My biggest hobby is golf, but I never seem to run into any ladies there for some reason(I have shot 78 twice though...LOL).
Im now entering my late 30's. I have thus far found that it is easier get into shape or make money.
However, finding your soul mate is the ultimate challenge that has alluded me. I enjoy this site because it pretty much is Networking to improve your self esteem and dating.
I really wasnt offended at your orignal reply as much as the second time when you suggested that I needed booted from the dicusson board.
ps. by the way, my inbox fills up after 4 messages. working on that... LOL. Also I must have inadvertantly hit the button that reports the discussions. wasnt intentional. I appreciate your honesty and I am very open minded to any help I can get. Thanks.
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EC means alot, but iit can mean nothing. Some people just give EC to everyone. I do: I'm always trying to see who is willing to play the game with me. I give EC to everyone, and there are females who do so. As SO PIMP said, grab your balls and chat her up.
So pimp its scary
Master Don Juan
Oh.... lol... I was saying that the mods should have a talk with me for pissing off the locals... lol
Hey look, I dunno if it's like that in your city, but where I live there are plenty of clubs exclusively for those 25 and older. Take a couple of your work buddies, tell them that you need help getting back in the game. They'll be happy to come with...
Now, I thought you were getting offended at my comment to grab your balls, squeeze them tight to make sure they are still there... and just go up.
It's all about taking control.
I don't feel like reqriting the posts, but do searches on the following :
- Controlling your reality (or some variation)
- Getting over your fears (basically feal the fear and do it anyway)
- rejection
- Reframing is a good one (although hardly covered in this forum, you might have to google that one or get the book 'Mind lines')
- psychology of beautiful women
-Body language
-IOI's (indicators of interest)
- c&f (but try to veer on the funny side of that, rather than the ****y)
Also, when I was first starting, I would have to approach like 20 women to get 10 numbers to get 2 dates (or repeat dates with 1 or 2 women).
BTW, what do you consider rejection? I only think of it as rejection if the woman is blatantly rude and for good reason.
If a girl says 'No, I have a bf' is more like a 'Yes, your cute, but I don't want to end things with my bf' (alot less harsh)
Also, understand that for every ten women that you date, you will likely find 1 of them that is compatible with you.
I could go on, but seriously working out the inner-game is going to help you alot more than trying to figure out what to say, what EC means, etc.
For the body language, rent a couple of movies, I would recommend; Swingers, Tao of Steve, 40 yr old virgin, boiler room, and fight club.
Watch these movies 3 times a piece
1 - To know what the movie is about
2 - Silent to see the body language going on
3 - without video, so that you can catch the voice tone cues
Here, that should give you some stuff to do... BTW, I'm not as much of a hater as I might come across as.
Hey look, I dunno if it's like that in your city, but where I live there are plenty of clubs exclusively for those 25 and older. Take a couple of your work buddies, tell them that you need help getting back in the game. They'll be happy to come with...
Now, I thought you were getting offended at my comment to grab your balls, squeeze them tight to make sure they are still there... and just go up.
It's all about taking control.
I don't feel like reqriting the posts, but do searches on the following :
- Controlling your reality (or some variation)
- Getting over your fears (basically feal the fear and do it anyway)
- rejection
- Reframing is a good one (although hardly covered in this forum, you might have to google that one or get the book 'Mind lines')
- psychology of beautiful women
-Body language
-IOI's (indicators of interest)
- c&f (but try to veer on the funny side of that, rather than the ****y)
Also, when I was first starting, I would have to approach like 20 women to get 10 numbers to get 2 dates (or repeat dates with 1 or 2 women).
BTW, what do you consider rejection? I only think of it as rejection if the woman is blatantly rude and for good reason.
If a girl says 'No, I have a bf' is more like a 'Yes, your cute, but I don't want to end things with my bf' (alot less harsh)
Also, understand that for every ten women that you date, you will likely find 1 of them that is compatible with you.
I could go on, but seriously working out the inner-game is going to help you alot more than trying to figure out what to say, what EC means, etc.
For the body language, rent a couple of movies, I would recommend; Swingers, Tao of Steve, 40 yr old virgin, boiler room, and fight club.
Watch these movies 3 times a piece
1 - To know what the movie is about
2 - Silent to see the body language going on
3 - without video, so that you can catch the voice tone cues
Here, that should give you some stuff to do... BTW, I'm not as much of a hater as I might come across as.
So pimp its scary
Master Don Juan
Ya dude, losing over 100lbs is no small feat... keeping it off is even more impressive.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.