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Has anyone else noticed the trend (which has been in the making for about 7 years now) for female Gen Z members (born from 1997 onwards) to wear baggy pants?

I've also noticed some of the younger Millennials (born 1993-96) latching onto the trend.

On the other hand, most Millennial broads, as well as the younger half of Gen X broads, still tend to wear tight pants.

I find the baggy pants trend with Gen Z broads to be a total turnoff. Their bodies are the nicest they'll ever be, yet they're hiding their curves with baggy pants.

I graduated high school in 2009. Tight pants on a girl were the norm when I was in high school. Baggy pants on a broad are simply wrong to me. It's like we're in the 90s again (Even though I was too young to pay attention to styles during the 90s, I see old vids from the 90s where the broads wore baggy pants)
 

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Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

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That’s their point: to deter men.

While some famous people wear outrageous baggy outfits, I personally appreciate it when the average woman wears them. But I mean, I am the kind of guy that love how women dress, behave, carry themselves, etc.
 

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Has anyone else noticed the trend (which has been in the making for about 7 years now) for female Gen Z members (born from 1997 onwards) to wear baggy pants?
This trend must be regional. In my neck of the woods, tight and skimpy clothing remains the go to uniform for young women who know they have the bodies to rock such attire



I find the baggy pants trend with Gen Z broads to be a total turnoff
If they were to pair that with Reeboks with the straps
would your motor start running a bit warmer?
 

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They don't care about being attractive to you. If they would, they'd be wearing feminine clothes that would show off their curves. If they want to have sex with you, they will not hide whatever might attract the men they want.
Wearing baggy pants doesn’t mean someone isn’t feminine or isn’t showing their curves. Please see below.

That said, it’s clear that OP’s consistent behavior indicates he isn’t actually interacting with these women. He’s just viewing them through a screen on social media or Google.


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You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

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Yes, I've seen this trend and I despise it. Not even talking about social media which I don't use, but out in person. It's a horrible look, as are many other trends. Women have stopped dressing based on what men like for 20+ years now, they wear what's "trendy" and ultimately do it to fit in or look good relative to other women. That said I still see plenty of women wearing tiny shorts/short skirts and revealing tops, but hoes are always gonna hoe.

I for one place a lot of importance on a woman's fashion choices, and if they wear clown pants like that I generally don't want anything to do with them.
 

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Tighter pants still work better for that purpose, even if they don't show their breasts.
Agreed, but your original point was that baggy pants aren't feminine because they don't show curves. In reality, femininity is more about a woman's confidence, personality, and personal style than just the fit of her clothing.
 

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That’s their point: to deter men.

While some famous people wear outrageous baggy outfits, I personally appreciate it when the average woman wears them. But I mean, I am the kind of guy that love how women dress, behave, carry themselves, etc.
Fascinating, a man who likes it when a woman hides her backside. I'm pretty sure most straight men want a woman to show off her backside.

Obviously it deters men when a woman wears baggy pants. What I'm wondering though is why broads felt no need to hide their rear end from 2003 (when I first started checking out booty) up until 2017 or so.

What is it that changed circa 2017 that made many a broad from the younger generation decide to wear baggy pants?
 

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They don't care about being attractive to you. If they would, they'd be wearing feminine clothes that would show off their curves. If they want to have sex with you, they will not hide whatever might attract the men they want.
By wearing baggy jeans, they turn off men in general; not just me.
 

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Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

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So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

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Wearing baggy pants doesn’t mean someone isn’t feminine or isn’t showing their curves. Please see below.

That said, it’s clear that OP’s consistent behavior indicates he isn’t actually interacting with these women. He’s just viewing them through a screen on social media or Google.


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My observations largely come from broads I cross paths with in person, who I may or may not interact with.
 

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Yes, I've seen this trend and I despise it. Not even talking about social media which I don't use, but out in person. It's a horrible look, as are many other trends. Women have stopped dressing based on what men like for 20+ years now, they wear what's "trendy" and ultimately do it to fit in or look good relative to other women. That said I still see plenty of women wearing tiny shorts/short skirts and revealing tops, but hoes are always gonna hoe.

I for one place a lot of importance on a woman's fashion choices, and if they wear clown pants like that I generally don't want anything to do with them.
From what I've seen, Gen Z broads go to one of 2 extremes: They either wear baggy jeans or skintight yoga pants.

On the other hand, when I was in high school (1st decade of the 21st century), yoga pants were unheard of, yet the girls all unanimously wore skintight jeans.
 

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They don't care about being attractive to you. If they would, they'd be wearing feminine clothes that would show off their curves. If they want to have sex with you, they will not hide whatever might attract the men they want.
Yes, now that I think about it, I have to agree with the Tall One. Women wear baggy pants so that they don't have men trying to pick up on them. It's the same idea why Muslim women show absolutely nothing in their (whatever that clothing is called).
 

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Fascinating, a man who likes it when a woman hides her backside. I'm pretty sure most straight men want a woman to show off her backside.

Obviously it deters men when a woman wears baggy pants. What I'm wondering though is why broads felt no need to hide their rear end from 2003 (when I first started checking out booty) up until 2017 or so.

What is it that changed circa 2017 that made many a broad from the younger generation decide to wear baggy pants?
I don’t prefer it, but I don’t discriminate. Some people I’ve been with wear them occasionally, like to a concert or to the grocery store instead of sweatpants. They don’t wear them constantly.

Fashion is cyclical. They were once in style in the 90s or early 2000’s. I can’t remember which.

Actually, I’ve changed my stance on the topic. What began as a #MeToo movement has evolved into a trend. People might wear oversized jackets and pants because they’re fashionable or simply because they find them comfortable. Men are also embracing these looks. Ultimately, there’s no need to question why people dress a certain way; it comes down to personal taste, which is subjective—unless you believe it’s a way to keep certain men at bay, like men that despise those pants, in which it might be true.
 
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And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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No, like here:

Femininity is expressed, just like masculinity. Not all men are masculine, not all women are feminine. Doesn't make them less of a men or woman, but some things will never be feminine, even when worn by women.
I agree that clothing plays a role in gender expression, but femininity can encompass a wide range of styles. Women might choose baggy clothing for various reasons, including comfort, personal taste or current fashion trends, and that doesn’t make them any less feminine.
 

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I don’t prefer it, but I don’t discriminate. Some people I’ve been with wear them occasionally, like to a concert or to the grocery store instead of sweatpants. They don’t wear them constantly.

Fashion is cyclical. They were once in style in the 90s or early 2000’s. I can’t remember which.

Actually, I’ve changed my stance on the topic. What began as a #MeToo movement has evolved into a trend. People might wear oversized jackets and pants because they’re fashionable or simply because they find them comfortable. Men are also embracing these looks. Ultimately, there’s no need to question why people dress a certain way; it comes down to personal taste, which is subjective—unless you believe it’s a way to keep certain men at bay, like men that despise those pants, in which it might be true.
Yeah, I've noticed Gen Z young men wearing baggy pants too.

I don't even like to wear baggy pants as a guy.

I once wore baggy pants (they were in style, for a guy at least, in my younger days). By the time I was halfway through high school, however, tighter pants came into style. My pants then tightened (by college, I was wearing the skintight drainpipe jeans).

Even though I don't wear the drainpipe jeans anymore (I don't know if they even make drainpipe jeans for a guy anymore), I'm never going back to baggy pants. Looking back on my 12-15 year old self, I see how sloppy and ridiculous baggy pants looked (they look equally ridiculous on the young folk embracing baggy pants in the current year)

My point? Since baggy pants are a bad look even for a guy, it goes without saying that it's a bad look on a broad.
 

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I agree that clothing plays a role in gender expression, but femininity can encompass a wide range of styles. Women might choose baggy clothing for various reasons, including comfort, personal taste or current fashion trends, and that doesn’t make them any less feminine.
The question though is: Why would fashion trends embrace such a bad look (especially a bad look that used to be in style...and went out of style for good reason)?

The 90s should have made us learn from the error of a woman wearing baggy pants
 

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You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

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