"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Bad voice message

ezily

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Is it possible to recover from a bad voice message? I mean I can't really remember exactly what I said but rest assured as soon as I got off the phone I had my mouth open in awe of how bad the message was. Now it's only been an hour and a half or so since I left it but I just highly doubt she's going to call back.

any advice?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Aristotle

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Retreat.

Remember: One call and that's all.

It is possible to recover, but not if you bombard her with messages, especially if they are poor quality. If you were to call and leave another poor message, then it becomes clear to her that you are getting weird on her.
 

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DO NOT CALL HER AGAIN! just leave it as it is. wait couple days and try again.
 

ezily

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Unsure said:
DO NOT CALL HER AGAIN! just leave it as it is. wait couple days and try again.
I don't know man. You really think I should try again? I mean the message was just God awful. It reeked of AFC. haha I wasn't really prepared to get a voice mail. I just assumed she'd pick up. My bad.

Sadly though I will probably end up seeing her again in person. So I'll just not mention it. I'm thinking about just nexting her mainly because I blew it. Am I wrong?
 

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Just wait and see. If your earlier interaction created enough of a connection then how bad of a message you left shouldn't really matter. Of course a great message can help but 9/10 when women don't call you back it is because there wasn't enough of a connection made in the first place.

Rather than worry about IF she is going to call you back think about what you are going to say when she does call you back.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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ezily

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JDA70 said:
I agree 100% with that.
look, I agree too. But I don't think I'm going to try again. This is mainly because when a girl doesn't call you back there's a reason. The reason is that she does not want to talk to you. So it's pointless to call back again. If she cared she'd call you. I don't think I'm a negative thinker on this subject, just going by experience. I've tried what you guys suggest (i.e. calling again in a couple days) and the same **** happened. Oh well...
 

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Look at it from her side. What did you offer that
would make her want to call you back?

So you left a lame VM.

If you had an offer that she couldn't refuse
then you'll get an answer next time.
 
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