Bad Luck With Woman.... MPUAS Welcome Please

[Slick101]

Heres the deal and I cant figure out why. I'm a good looking guy, I have a very quick outgoing personality that is direct. I make my money I drive a nice car and humor is my thing. However, I live in NYC and I dont know if its the woman OR me. Lately I have been meeting chix on the net that I think look good and when I meet up with them, they are the complete opposite. Iv'e been getting some flakes from girls in clubs, and now I am totally confused as to why I cannot attract hot chix anymore. I need to know what Im doing wrong, because lately im not meeting any hotties and it is bothering me. Questions:Where to meet the good quality girls, maybe because all the girls in the clubs are retarded and flake based on emotions and alcohol. How to not run into flakes and set dates. How to keep a girl attracted to me after I met her? Expert advice from Mpua's needed please. Thanks!

 

[thevilittletroll]

flakes happen for one reason, its your lack of being able to build solid attraction with her. with that being said, your choice of venue can change the field of play. its much different in a nightclub environment vs day game, coffee shop, dive bar, pub. its not harder, its just different. its loud, its hard to hear, hard to have long conversations with a girl, there's lots of distractions like the lighting, the music, the dance floor, lots of eye candy, and many other things including, all her friends and 100 other dudes trying to get laid as well. do a search on this forum for tips on nightclub game. i'm not a huge fan of nightclubs, but there is plenty of info out there on tactics and techniques. i call it flash game, its got to be quick and to the point. i'd rather slow things down, i tend to be much lower energy anyways. problem with meeting chicks in nightclubs is, even if you get lots of phone #'s, you will still wind up with a lot of flakes. you have a better chance taking them home and banging them that same night.

a different venue might do you a little better. i second okyourabeast, try places that are more chill, with less distractions. i prefer irish pubs, dive bars, sports bars, pool halls, lounges, hotel bars, airport bars. there will not be as many "targets" as in the nightclub, but you'll have much more of an opportunity to have a real conversation and a chance to build more solid attraction with the girl, inturn reducing the amount of flakes.

 

[Slick101]

flakes happen for one reason, its your lack of being able to build solid attraction with her. with that being said, your choice of venue can change the field of play. its much different in a nightclub environment vs day game, coffee shop, dive bar, pub. its not harder, its just different. its loud, its hard to hear, hard to have long conversations with a girl, there's lots of distractions like the lighting, the music, the dance floor, lots of eye candy, and many other things including, all her friends and 100 other dudes trying to get laid as well. do a search on this forum for tips on nightclub game. i'm not a huge fan of nightclubs, but there is plenty of info out there on tactics and techniques. i call it flash game, its got to be quick and to the point. i'd rather slow things down, i tend to be much lower energy anyways. problem with meeting chicks in nightclubs is, even if you get lots of phone #'s, you will still wind up with a lot of flakes. you have a better chance taking them home and banging them that same night.

a different venue might do you a little better. i second okyourabeast, try places that are more chill, with less distractions. i prefer irish pubs, dive bars, sports bars, pool halls, lounges, hotel bars, airport bars. there will not be as many "targets" as in the nightclub, but you'll have much more of an opportunity to have a real conversation and a chance to build more solid attraction with the girl, inturn reducing the amount of flakes.

I feel like I am building attraction…. Maybe not enough…??

 

[sexysuave]

You are NOT building enough attraction if you can't get them. Bottom line is, if you get them, you've built enough attraction. If you don't get them, you haven't.

Were you able to pick up hot chicks before? If so, what has changed? How long has it been since you've slipped off?

This is way to complex to figure out with a couple of sentances. If you want, you can e-mail me with your number and we can have a chat and I'd be able to tell you a lot more about all this and some other options. I like some of the above, as far as exploring different venues. You would be surprised where you can meet chicks (ANYWHERE, literally, I have tons of examples I personally have been through .

Also, not sure what the obsession is with the net. Maybe I'm too old school, but I've always met my chicks in person. I guess you shoudlnt' disqualify the net if it works for ya, but I love the thrill of going out there and just sarging and talking to people and chatting girls up.

Maybe the fact that you spend too much time on the net is interfering with your "every day normal game, in person." That could be it. Too many guys meet a girl on the net and "fall for her", and then meet her in person only to turn her off in one way or another. In person is a WORLD of difference from online chatting and even phone conversations. There is body language and just a whole lot of complex stuff that plays a huge part in how you get along with someone. Too many guys get their hopes up online, only to realize that it's not the same in person. You also need to be out there a lot more in order to keep your natural charisma and confidence with people.

Once again, feel free to PM and we can chat if you're up for it.

 

[sexysuave]

Also, it's preferable to take girls home from a club, but I HAVE gotten numbers that later came to fruition, but NOT at an incredibly high percentage. Well, half the time I don't even know who the girl is I'm calling, as I probably came home with 6 or 7 numbers lol. I've had cases where I set up a little coffee date or somethign, and I literally had to look through the door before getting there and call her and wait to see who picks up the phone in order to know which girl I'm meeting up with (even though I met her last night, I probably talked to like 30 girls, and was probably trashed lol, so I had no clue who I'm meeting up with)... but it CAN work, contrary to some posts here. I'd be glad to talk to you about it.

 

[thevilittletroll]

here is a couple of tips to eliminates some of flakes. when you get phone#'s, make sure she puts your name and # in her phone as well. always make sure there's a reason you getting her # and not just "lets hang out sometime" i like to use "i'm going to x concert next week you should tag along" or anything else that is fun and cool that you are already doing. give her a nickname, use it later in a text or voicemail so she'll remember you. another thing i like to do is when exchanging #'s i'll call her # right there. when her voice mail picks up give her the phone, and tell her to tell her voice mail that she's just met this awesome guy named (your name) he's so awesome and i'm having so much fun and he's really hot! this should put her back into "club high" when she plays back the voice mail later, usually the next day or so. build up attraction, and give her something to remember you by. that should eliminate a good % of flakes from nightclubs. keep in mind some girls will get completely hammered drunk and will write off everything she did the night before regardless of how attracted she was to you. she'll be embarrased cause she cant remember what she did last night, that includes flirting with you. nothing you can do about those. these tactics are useful in all situations, but you'll need to use the in nightclubs for sure.

i mentioned before i'm not much of a nightclub guy. if i do go to a nightclub with friends, my focus is pulling a same night lay. i've copied and pasted a previous post about logistics you'll need to know for you to gameplan....

taking girls home from a night club is all about logistics. you need to find out the answers to 3 simple questions.
1. who is she here with? and who drove? are they all in one car? or did she drive seperate? if she's driving you have little to no chance, plus she is gonna be like the mother hen looking after all her chicks and much more difficult to game on. her attention will be on watching out for her friends. if she's riding with a friend your chances are a little better but not much. if she rode with the entire pack, its a little better. if she drove her self thats the best logistic. she's only responsible for herself.
2. how do they all know each other? which girl is her bff? if the entire pack are all bff's you'll have to win the entire groups approval before they will let you go home with her. the more bff's are there, the more difficult. also the more bff's she has there, the more girls are going to judge her, which hightens her anti-slut defense. you are looking for the target that either has one girl there as a bff, or none. they could be work associates, or girls that have just met, maybe they havent known each other that long. if none of those girls is a bff, she cares less if they think she's a slut for going home with you. the other girls are also less likely to ****block you.
3. does she have to get up early tomorrow? if she has something to do in the morning, work for example, less likely she is going home with you. she will always use that excuse regardless if it's true or not. but if she tells you flat out that she's not doing anything, take that as an ioi.

if you run into problems where the logistics dont match up, continue to game, get phone #'s, then move on to the next. just because she didnt go home with you that night does not mean she wont another night. always get the number.

another thing i like to do is this. send a text message to all the girls i got #'s from that night and say: "hey it's (your name) just wanted to let you know i got home safe." if they respond, continue convo, you can even invite them over. i've had girls that the friends that she rode with dropped her off at her house, then she drove over to my house. that way her friends dont know, and wont call her a slut the next day.

these are only guidelines, not laws. if you build enough attraction using game. she will break all the rules no matter what the logistics are. but if all you are looking for is a same night lay, i suggest talking to as many girls in the venue until you find one that falls into these good logistics. also you can find out the answers to all these questions within the first few mins, so your not wasting 30-40 mins gaming this chick, when you could have talked to 7-10 other girls looking for one that had better logistics.

 

[Slick101]

I dont know...I belive I have EVERYTHING for attracting woman... Every guy thinks Im great at it... and even chicks after I get to know them,, always ask me how many girlfriends I have!

I think the problem is... they dont know me... and they Think Im a stranger

 

[Slick101]

This is probably the best write up I read!... Amazing man, I really appreciate this. Deff. Opened up my eyes and I will use everything of which you have mentioned...

I know you are not much of a night club guy BUT, where can I get more info on SNL's .. Especially for night club game

here is a couple of tips to eliminates some of flakes. when you get phone#'s, make sure she puts your name and # in her phone as well. always make sure there's a reason you getting her # and not just "lets hang out sometime" i like to use "i'm going to x concert next week you should tag along" or anything else that is fun and cool that you are already doing. give her a nickname, use it later in a text or voicemail so she'll remember you. another thing i like to do is when exchanging #'s i'll call her # right there. when her voice mail picks up give her the phone, and tell her to tell her voice mail that she's just met this awesome guy named (your name) he's so awesome and i'm having so much fun and he's really hot! this should put her back into "club high" when she plays back the voice mail later, usually the next day or so. build up attraction, and give her something to remember you by. that should eliminate a good % of flakes from nightclubs. keep in mind some girls will get completely hammered drunk and will write off everything she did the night before regardless of how attracted she was to you. she'll be embarrased cause she cant remember what she did last night, that includes flirting with you. nothing you can do about those. these tactics are useful in all situations, but you'll need to use the in nightclubs for sure.

i mentioned before i'm not much of a nightclub guy. if i do go to a nightclub with friends, my focus is pulling a same night lay. i've copied and pasted a previous post about logistics you'll need to know for you to gameplan....

taking girls home from a night club is all about logistics. you need to find out the answers to 3 simple questions.
1. who is she here with? and who drove? are they all in one car? or did she drive seperate? if she's driving you have little to no chance, plus she is gonna be like the mother hen looking after all her chicks and much more difficult to game on. her attention will be on watching out for her friends. if she's riding with a friend your chances are a little better but not much. if she rode with the entire pack, its a little better. if she drove her self thats the best logistic. she's only responsible for herself.
2. how do they all know each other? which girl is her bff? if the entire pack are all bff's you'll have to win the entire groups approval before they will let you go home with her. the more bff's are there, the more difficult. also the more bff's she has there, the more girls are going to judge her, which hightens her anti-slut defense. you are looking for the target that either has one girl there as a bff, or none. they could be work associates, or girls that have just met, maybe they havent known each other that long. if none of those girls is a bff, she cares less if they think she's a slut for going home with you. the other girls are also less likely to ****block you.
3. does she have to get up early tomorrow? if she has something to do in the morning, work for example, less likely she is going home with you. she will always use that excuse regardless if it's true or not. but if she tells you flat out that she's not doing anything, take that as an ioi.

if you run into problems where the logistics dont match up, continue to game, get phone #'s, then move on to the next. just because she didnt go home with you that night does not mean she wont another night. always get the number.

another thing i like to do is this. send a text message to all the girls i got #'s from that night and say: "hey it's (your name) just wanted to let you know i got home safe." if they respond, continue convo, you can even invite them over. i've had girls that the friends that she rode with dropped her off at her house, then she drove over to my house. that way her friends dont know, and wont call her a slut the next day.

these are only guidelines, not laws. if you build enough attraction using game. she will break all the rules no matter what the logistics are. but if all you are looking for is a same night lay, i suggest talking to as many girls in the venue until you find one that falls into these good logistics. also you can find out the answers to all these questions within the first few mins, so your not wasting 30-40 mins gaming this chick, when you could have talked to 7-10 other girls looking for one that had better logistics.

 

[synergy1]

As someone who has been frequenting bars/clubs as my primary venue, i can attest that the little troll guy's logistics summary is spot fvcking on. With some chicks, there are huge obstacles ranging from friends, to work, to sleeping arrangements which will kill your chances that night. Best bet is to get a number, establish some rapport, and move on. To me, the hardest part is knowing when to move on. Sometimes you feel very in the moment when you are chatting or making out with a chick; those can give you a false premise that you might go home with them when in reality its not going to happen.

One time I had a chick who was out with friends and had to work at 5am. Still convinced her to come home, but had to drop her off at work early in the AM. It sucked. In some situations, you are better off not getting laid if you like sleeping in on weekends..

 

[Solomon]

here is a couple of tips to eliminates some of flakes. when you get phone#'s, make sure she puts your name and # in her phone as well. always make sure there's a reason you getting her # and not just "lets hang out sometime" i like to use "i'm going to x concert next week you should tag along" or anything else that is fun and cool that you are already doing. give her a nickname, use it later in a text or voicemail so she'll remember you. another thing i like to do is when exchanging #'s i'll call her # right there. when her voice mail picks up give her the phone, and tell her to tell her voice mail that she's just met this awesome guy named (your name) he's so awesome and i'm having so much fun and he's really hot! this should put her back into "club high" when she plays back the voice mail later, usually the next day or so. build up attraction, and give her something to remember you by. that should eliminate a good % of flakes from nightclubs. keep in mind some girls will get completely hammered drunk and will write off everything she did the night before regardless of how attracted she was to you. she'll be embarrased cause she cant remember what she did last night, that includes flirting with you. nothing you can do about those. these tactics are useful in all situations, but you'll need to use the in nightclubs for sure.

i mentioned before i'm not much of a nightclub guy. if i do go to a nightclub with friends, my focus is pulling a same night lay. i've copied and pasted a previous post about logistics you'll need to know for you to gameplan....

taking girls home from a night club is all about logistics. you need to find out the answers to 3 simple questions.
1. who is she here with? and who drove? are they all in one car? or did she drive seperate? if she's driving you have little to no chance, plus she is gonna be like the mother hen looking after all her chicks and much more difficult to game on. her attention will be on watching out for her friends. if she's riding with a friend your chances are a little better but not much. if she rode with the entire pack, its a little better. if she drove her self thats the best logistic. she's only responsible for herself.
2. how do they all know each other? which girl is her bff? if the entire pack are all bff's you'll have to win the entire groups approval before they will let you go home with her. the more bff's are there, the more difficult. also the more bff's she has there, the more girls are going to judge her, which hightens her anti-slut defense. you are looking for the target that either has one girl there as a bff, or none. they could be work associates, or girls that have just met, maybe they havent known each other that long. if none of those girls is a bff, she cares less if they think she's a slut for going home with you. the other girls are also less likely to ****block you.
3. does she have to get up early tomorrow? if she has something to do in the morning, work for example, less likely she is going home with you. she will always use that excuse regardless if it's true or not. but if she tells you flat out that she's not doing anything, take that as an ioi.

if you run into problems where the logistics dont match up, continue to game, get phone #'s, then move on to the next. just because she didnt go home with you that night does not mean she wont another night. always get the number.

another thing i like to do is this. send a text message to all the girls i got #'s from that night and say: "hey it's (your name) just wanted to let you know i got home safe." if they respond, continue convo, you can even invite them over. i've had girls that the friends that she rode with dropped her off at her house, then she drove over to my house. that way her friends dont know, and wont call her a slut the next day.

these are only guidelines, not laws. if you build enough attraction using game. she will break all the rules no matter what the logistics are. but if all you are looking for is a same night lay, i suggest talking to as many girls in the venue until you find one that falls into these good logistics. also you can find out the answers to all these questions within the first few mins, so your not wasting 30-40 mins gaming this chick, when you could have talked to 7-10 other girls looking for one that had better logistics.

^^This post is golden, however I think the OP may be l

lacking in verbal skills, its a huge issues for many Jedi's (DJ's) and Pua's, the truth is even with perfect "game" a chick may still flake sometimes its not you, its them

remember that

and lol @ Syngery

 

[thevilittletroll]

i've taken bits and peices from different PUA's over the years. if your interested in SNL's my 2 fav's are Jon Sinn and Nick Quick aka Adonis. google those names. sinnsofattraction.com charmingrogue.com these 2 are the best at pulling SNL's. i'm gonna write up and post an article soon about different "types" of game so keep an eye out.