"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Chamber36

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See, I met this babe outside the club. I complimented her on her boobies, got a little touch, and she asked me what I thought of her boyfriend. I turned around and saw the chump. Initially refused to answer the question, but eventually said I thought I was better. She responded: "you're bad!!"

I ran into her again a few weeks later and I reminded her she had already met me. She didn't remember. So I told her: "yeah, you asked me what I thought of your boyfriend!" She became curious. She asked what I thought of him and I responded: "nothing". She and her friend giggled at the way I passed her ****-tests. Then along came another girl who I was kinda scoping out. The babe teased her and said: "I asked him what he thought of my boyfriend!!", the other girls heart sunk. Then they both simultaneously tried to talk to me, and I dealt with the "other" one first, then talked to the babe. The other one walked off pretty upset, and the babe and her friend laughed their asses off. I played dumb like I wouldn't know why, and then then the babe gave me a kiss on the cheek.

So, this is a perfect play on my part. I've been congruent on both interactions.

I don't have her number, but I was thinking next time I see her I definitely got to get some vital info. Besides that I am just going to just try and build attraction as much as I possibly can and make her as horny as I can.

My plan will be to work her into my friend zone. The sexuality will come by itself.
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Chamber36 said:
I ran into her again a few weeks later and I reminded her she had already met me. She didn't remember. So I told her: "yeah, you asked me what I thought of your boyfriend!" She became curious. She asked what I thought of him and I responded: "nothing". She and her friend giggled at the way I passed her ****-tests.
I'm happy for you dude, I'mma let you finish, but...

... lemme get this straight. She didn't remember you, and somehow that's a sh*t test?

At least she was flirty. That's a good sign. But, I would keep in mind that you need to be more memorable.

To me, this conversation sounded like a PUA jargon infused version of the "Hi my name's Jim, remember we met last week at the real estate conference?" conversation.

Keep us updated. Especially if you do manage to make a c*ckmeat sandwich in her vijay.
 

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Chamber, from reading this, this girl has the upper hand.

You didn't get any numbers or lays out of this.

By the next time you see her Chamber, I'll already have had a meeting with her in chambers. Why didn't you get sexual from the get-go? And this girl apparently didn't find you attractive because she brought up a boyfriend. Sorry, but you think things are advancing, when they really aren't.

"Why your honor?"

Because you're feeding an attention wh0re. She wants to feel desired so she'll be ripe for another f**king from her chump boyfriend.

You are spinning more plates, right?

Let this go, after you masturbate.

Case closed.
 

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I like to keep my info concise, but I feel we can't really reach a verdict if I don't write my info elaborately. So I apologize in advance for TLDR.

I did get sexual from the get-go. My opener was: "that's quite some cleavage you got there", then she pressed her tits together, and I touched them. Then she told me about her boyfriend who was standing right behind me. I could tell he was a chump so that's why she asked me what I thought. At first I didn't wanna answer the question so I turned it around and nonchalantly said: "well I think I'm better". Then some drunk guy told us to hug, and he grabbed us and made us hug, and I groped her titty again, lol. This happened twice, at which point she ended the interaction, went back to her boyfriend, and I went home. I'm guessing she was drunk because it was right after the clubs closed. She couldn't moralistically keep talking to me with her boyfriend right behind me after I touched her boob 3 times. It was only a 1 minute interaction really. Plus outside we wear scarves and jackets and what-not to cover up against the cold.

At the second encounter when her friend asked what I thought of him, and I said: "nothing", and I passed the same ****-test again. My answer made them giggle. Because it sorta implies that he's nothing to me, but it also means that I don't have an opinion of him. This wasn't well thought-out, it's just how I try to avoid being ****-tested.

Then she said: "my boyfriend is a nice guy though!" to which I responded something like: "I'm sure!".

At this point another girl joined the situation. She had already ****-tested me before last week when she asked how much game I was getting and I told her it was "So so", which didn't satisfy her. Now she stumbled upon a hotter girl qualifying herself to me, and openly admitting to her that she was qualifying herself to me/****-testing me, with: "I asked him what he thought of my boyfriend!" which really brought out an emotional reaction.
So now the babe saw the emotional reaction and that's why she gave me a kiss.
My point is that this girl has seen me mackin out on the street, and now she saw me mackin in the club and I had the pre-selection to back it up, plus the congruence. Plus she was qualifying her boyfriend to me, which is another way of qualifying herself to me. Thirdly there was strong mutual attraction and she wasn't afraid to give in to it with her flirtatiousness. So it's like she's accepted the frame that I'm superior to her boyfriend(even if only temporarily and subconsciously).

I couldn't ask for her number on the second interaction because I was at work and that woulda been over-eager. I do however expect to be seeing much more of her. I work in the club, so that's why I try a more slow-and-steady approach to girls in that particular club. I don't want to ruin my own reputation.

You guys think I should have left a more lasting impression.... I've left the exact impression that I want to leave. The impression that I don't give a fvck about no boyfriend and that I can pass ****-tests and have more game than anybody around. I do whatever I wanna do and I flirt with whoever I wanna flirt. My whole reminding her of her first interaction, however brief it was, simply was a reminder of how naughty she really is, because she was kinda making fun of her boyfriend and I groped her titty.

Now I may be seeing more in this interaction than there was, because the girl is my "type", but I think I know how to handle the situation. I'm not invested. If she doesn't want me because she thinks I'm some sort of player/bad boy, or she doesn't want to risk losing her boyfriend, then so be it.

My point is that I gave this girl my A-game and she was receptive. She had a boyfriend and she kinda laughed at him with me.

I'm not spinning plates, I haven't asked for numbers in a while. But I am cultivating girls with IL all over the club, just sorta working on my outcome-independent game. I'm getting game from HB9's every now and then, which sufficiently boosts my ego to let me know I deserve at least a 7 or an 8. It's because I work in the club where I go out most that I'm trying this new approach. It's more of a social-circle thing now. I see them as prospects, not as prey. When I go out in a different club I change up my style.

So there's a more clear run-down of my situation. Though I will admit she displayed Attention-Wh0re characteristics.

I think Nismo may be right. On the other hand I showed her my A-game. The question is 'how high is her IL?'... I guess I won't know until I meet her.

I assume that when I see her she's simply going to ****-test me and compliance test me. I'll just be aloof/hot&cold, and if I get a chance I guess I'd talk to her.

If her IL is high, in order to sweep her out from under this AFC's supervision and into my arms, I would take the bad boy approach, making no excuses for my behavior. I could blame it all on my instinctual urges. That's the whole approach I took on the start anyway, so it would be entirely congruent. I could switch it around and try a gentleman's approach too, showing more self-control and maybe less interest. I'll just have to see what the situation calls for.
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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