Average and below average women are being selected by above average men

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I’ll use my current work office for example, 3 of the women, one is a 6.5, 5, and 4.5, so 5.5 average(I’d only date the 6.5) are dating high value men. The 6.5 is dating a mlb player and always talks about dumping him lol. The 4.5 is dating a college football player and seems to be the most content one. Last, the 5.5 is your prime candidate for fresh and fit that was constantly getting flown out by rich men and now is thinking of settling with this Chad looking dermatologist(the highest paid doctors).

I’m not trying to be doom and gloom, but guys need to grasp the fact that this is going on. Sometimes your failures with women will be due to factors beyond your control.

 

[SW15]

I’m not trying to be doom and gloom, but guys need to grasp the fact that this is going on. Sometimes your failures with women will be due to factors beyond your control.

Yes, this is good wisdom to share. The overall environment matters in a situation. For instance, when 2008 and COVID hit, a lot of good workers lost their jobs not because of their own personal shortfalls but because the economy at large had issues. Since the mid-2000s, the mating environment has gotten much more challenging.

I’ll use my current work office for example, 3 of the women, one is a 6.5, 5, and 4.5, so 5.5 average(I’d only date the 6.5) are dating high value men. The 6.5 is dating a mlb player and always talks about dumping him lol. The 4.5 is dating a college football player and seems to be the most content one. Last, the 5.5 is your prime candidate for fresh and fit that was constantly getting flown out by rich men and now is thinking of settling with this Chad looking dermatologist(the highest paid doctors).

I thought a lot of offices were still mostly work at home. I'm surprised you know this about 3 co-workers given that there's no in-person water cooler chat for the last 16 months.

Also, what you rate as a 6.5 might not be what I rate as a 6.5. I'll say that most men would probably rate one woman as cute, one as average, and one as borderline average/below average.

About how old are these women? Their ratings are likely to change over time. I've seen a woman go from what I would rate as 7 at age 23 to what I would rate as a 4.7 at age 33.

All the guys in that situation appear to be dating down and none of those are likely to last even 1-2 years longer.

 

[Robert28]

Yes, this is good wisdom to share. The overall environment matters in a situation. For instance, when 2008 and COVID hit, a lot of good workers lost their jobs not because of their own personal shortfalls but because the economy at large had issues. Since the mid-2000s, the mating environment has gotten much more challenging.



I thought a lot of offices were still mostly work at home. I'm surprised you know this about 3 co-workers given that there's no in-person water cooler chat for the last 16 months.

Also, what you rate as a 6.5 might not be what I rate as a 6.5. I'll say that most men would probably rate one woman as cute, one as average, and one as borderline average/below average.

About how old are these women? Their ratings are likely to change over time. I've seen a woman go from what I would rate as 7 at age 23 to what I would rate as a 4.7 at age 33.

All the guys in that situation appear to be dating down and none of those are likely to last even 1-2 years longer.

Her standards will be more strict when she’s a 33yr old 4.7 than when she was a 7 at 23. I’ve seen it a million times.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Her standards will be more strict when she’s a 33yr old 4.7 than when she was a 7 at 23. I’ve seen it a million times.

yep, they become alpha widows and nobody is going to ever beat the memory of the rich Chad Christian Grey fvcking her against the balcony lounge in Paris

 

[Robert28]

yep, they become alpha widows and nobody is going to ever beat the memory of the rich Chad Christian Grey fvcking her against the balcony lounge in Paris

Or drug addicted with an alcohol problem Chad that “was having hard times”. He smoked crack but you better not ever so much as have ever smoked a cigarette in your life or she’s done with you.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

To be really open and honest, I rarely get a biological pull to breed a smoking hot woman, like if I wanted a kid the last person I'd want it with is somebody who's options are running severely low... Don't get me wrong, I want to bang them, but that feeling when you wanna just breed a hoe, barely ever get it.

Likewise, around 5 years ago I imprinted onto a much younger woman than myself, now she's 23 and wants my babies, messaging n ****, because she has come to realize that she's probably not gonna be able to ever find somebody on my level, coming from her level... The inherent dread, the uncomfortable feeling she gets because she knows I'm attractive, this is a feeling of power and it is addicting.

Truthfully, this woman has no business being in my company, but because of that, she goes the extra mile... A woman being uncomfortable is the best type of relationship a man can have, because there are 0 tests, 0 negative behaviors, she is on her best behavior and it can be easy to forget that it's all an act so she can get me into a position where I'm experiencing the same dread she is... She wants me to feel what she feels and I never will.

 

[RickTheToad]

I’ll use my current work office for example, 3 of the women, one is a 6.5, 5, and 4.5, so 5.5 average(I’d only date the 6.5) are dating high value men. The 6.5 is dating a mlb player and always talks about dumping him lol. The 4.5 is dating a college football player and seems to be the most content one. Last, the 5.5 is your prime candidate for fresh and fit that was constantly getting flown out by rich men and now is thinking of settling with this Chad looking dermatologist(the highest paid doctors).

I’m not trying to be doom and gloom, but guys need to grasp the fact that this is going on. Sometimes your failures with women will be due to factors beyond your control.

Highest paid doctors are surgeons dude.

Looks are different from people to people. I may like big boobs and a big butt (within reason), but another dude may like a flat chest and ass. It's someone's preference. Just because you see them between 4.5 - 6.5, doesn't mean the dudes do not see them higher, lower or just right. Plus, they may not want to deal with the crazy demands of the 8+ really hot females. I've been there, dumped them faster than yesterday's newspaper. Life is hard enough. When adding a demanding female to the equation, you have to weigh your options.

 

[Bigpapa]

Highest paid doctors are surgeons dude.

Looks are different from people to people. I may like big boobs and a big butt (within reason), but another dude may like a flat chest and ass. It's someone's preference. Just because you see them between 4.5 - 6.5, doesn't mean the dudes do not see them higher, lower or just right. Plus, they may not want to deal with the crazy demands of the 8+ really hot females. I've been there, dumped them faster than yesterday's newspaper. Life is hard enough. When adding a demanding female to the equation, you have to weigh your options.

a 6 woman can be viewed anywhere between a 4 and an 8 , depending on the preferences of the guy , how she uses makeup, her hair style , how she dresses , her manners , how smart she is , etc etc

Same thing with guys

 

[Robert28]

Highest paid doctors are surgeons dude.

Looks are different from people to people. I may like big boobs and a big butt (within reason), but another dude may like a flat chest and ass. It's someone's preference. Just because you see them between 4.5 - 6.5, doesn't mean the dudes do not see them higher, lower or just right. Plus, they may not want to deal with the crazy demands of the 8+ really hot females. I've been there, dumped them faster than yesterday's newspaper. Life is hard enough. When adding a demanding female to the equation, you have to weigh your options.

I think what he’s getting at is dudes dating way down. I’ve seen it before, and I’ve also seen some pretty cute fit girls dating guys with man boobs. I’m waiting on some hot girl to lower her standards for me but I haven’t found one yet lol

 

[MatureDJ]

 

[Bigpapa]

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that is an exaggeration

if you are a 5 , you can bang girls slightly above , same or lower your level , quite straight forward , and not Uber complicated . The problem is that they most likely they would require some sort of commitment from you before doing that

they Would not necessary do this with guys outside their league .

the problem is that if you are bellow 5 , then things are quite nasty , and have a very high likelihood to become incel

 

[HaleyBaron]

I’ll use my current work office for example, 3 of the women, one is a 6.5, 5, and 4.5, so 5.5 average(I’d only date the 6.5) are dating high value men. The 6.5 is dating a mlb player and always talks about dumping him lol. The 4.5 is dating a college football player and seems to be the most content one. Last, the 5.5 is your prime candidate for fresh and fit that was constantly getting flown out by rich men and now is thinking of settling with this Chad looking dermatologist(the highest paid doctors).

I’m not trying to be doom and gloom, but guys need to grasp the fact that this is going on. Sometimes your failures with women will be due to factors beyond your control.

Being high status doesn't mean they are redpill. It's par for the course of the surge of bluepill rich men. Rare would you find a James Bond in the elite. And if he exists, he's not public.

 

[Bigpapa]

Being high status doesn't mean they are redpill. It's par for the course of the surge of bluepill rich men. Rare would you find a James Bond in the elite. And if he exists, he's not public.

spot on .

if you will look at the high paid executives , successful entrepreneurs , C levels , you will notice that they are beta as f8ck most of them

mainly this happens because in order to get into those positions , you need to be a super agreeable person ( with your piers and those above you ) .

no one really wants to do in the business world with someone that is stubborn and is truly alpha …

look at the Steve Jobs story , he founded a company then was fired by the company he founded because he was a massive pain in the ass , and only rehired him when the company was on the brink of bankruptcy

then I reckon that the only reason to why he was not fired again when the company once again was performing great , is mainly because he got old and most likely did not really care too much about the business world ( he lost his drive ) + he was sick

 

[sangheilios]

I’ll use my current work office for example, 3 of the women, one is a 6.5, 5, and 4.5, so 5.5 average(I’d only date the 6.5) are dating high value men. The 6.5 is dating a mlb player and always talks about dumping him lol. The 4.5 is dating a college football player and seems to be the most content one. Last, the 5.5 is your prime candidate for fresh and fit that was constantly getting flown out by rich men and now is thinking of settling with this Chad looking dermatologist(the highest paid doctors).

I’m not trying to be doom and gloom, but guys need to grasp the fact that this is going on. Sometimes your failures with women will be due to factors beyond your control.

You are underrating their looks big time.

There is of course a massive phenomena of hyperinflated value for women but not at the very top.

Of course, part of the problem is that even though those guys at the top of that seriously date a 6.5, they will sleep with them and gas up their ego.

I've seen this quite a bit, not with women dating super high tier men but selecting for men that were well above their actual league.

Something I've seen or heard of quite a bit is overweight women DEMANDING men be in shape and refusing to do anything with men who are on their level physically. When I tried out tinder all I got matched with was women that weighed as much as I do, that's a 6'4" male who lifts/exercises regularly and weighs around 240ish. I can't imagine what it is like for an average guy or perhaps one who is below average (short, overweight, unattractive, etc.) and there are a lot of men who fall into this category. It is pretty well known that the dating market is brutal to begin with but given the current times with social media and dating apps it took it to a whole new level. From my observations, I believe that this is going to cause many men to either totally give up or start overcompensating in order to attract women. I can think of several examples of men around my age where I live who spend exorbitant amounts of money on cars, clothes, trips, etc. and then post this on social media in order to garner attention. Here is the caveat, none of this guys actually have any money and they are potentially ruining their financial lives by trying to seek approval from women who they probably should totally disregard.

 

[Bigpapa]

I've seen this quite a bit, not with women dating super high tier men but selecting for men that were well above their actual league.

Something I've seen or heard of quite a bit is overweight women DEMANDING men be in shape and refusing to do anything with men who are on their level physically. When I tried out tinder all I got matched with was women that weighed as much as I do, that's a 6'4" male who lifts/exercises regularly and weighs around 240ish. I can't imagine what it is like for an average guy or perhaps one who is below average (short, overweight, unattractive, etc.) and there are a lot of men who fall into this category. It is pretty well known that the dating market is brutal to begin with but given the current times with social media and dating apps it took it to a whole new level. From my observations, I believe that this is going to cause many men to either totally give up or start overcompensating in order to attract women. I can think of several examples of men around my age where I live who spend exorbitant amounts of money on cars, clothes, trips, etc. and then post this on social media in order to garner attention. Here is the caveat, none of this guys actually have any money and they are potentially ruining their financial lives by trying to seek approval from women who they probably should totally disregard.

A lot of men already do this , that is why money alone does not make the vagina wet , unless you spend money like a billionaire or she is a h00ker , but even h00kers use the lube to get wet

 

[2Rocky]

Attitude and the way a woman treats, talks to, and talks ABOUT a man are not factored into your looks rating.

I see so many high maintenance 8-9.5's that are bitchy and whiny and not worth the hassle. They talk **** and disrespect the guy who treats them great. But then again I'm a pickup truck guy and not a sports car guy. Give me a 7 body with a 9 for attitude and fun and I'll be getting laid while the wanna be Chad is making sure he has the latest greatest watch and sports car and talking her IG photos.

 

[SW15]

Her standards will be more strict when she’s a 33yr old 4.7 than when she was a 7 at 23. I’ve seen it a million times.

She had a boyfriend at 23 as a 7 and she has a husband (same guy) as a 33 year old 4.7.

 

[Larry Lurex]

I have dated 3 bona fide beauty queens.

The first one was a teen pageant winner - she was actually quite alright.

Last I heard, the second one ended up as a high class escort. Beautiful, creative and knows how to **** but is simply bat**** crazy with her mood swings and self-hurt.

The third worked as a trolley dolly in the Middle East. This one proposed to me while maintaining side guys in three other countries lol. Serious mental instability with extremely severe daddy issues. My psychiatrist friend diagnosed as BPD.

HB8 is your hottie who you have to chase a bit to get.

HB9 is your hottie who’s got the same hots for you.

HB10 is your hottie who mutually digs you, and has an agreeable disposition and temperament that fits you. This is extremely rare, and count yourself lucky to come across one.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Highest paid doctors are surgeons dude.

Looks are different from people to people. I may like big boobs and a big butt (within reason), but another dude may like a flat chest and ass. It's someone's preference. Just because you see them between 4.5 - 6.5, doesn't mean the dudes do not see them higher, lower or just right. Plus, they may not want to deal with the crazy demands of the 8+ really hot females. I've been there, dumped them faster than yesterday's newspaper. Life is hard enough. When adding a demanding female to the equation, you have to weigh your options.

he’s a surgeon in dermatology

 

[Larry Lurex]

if I was going for economy of efforts, I’d rather be a radiologist over a surgeon.

They make a ton of money without having to touch a scalpel.