"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Almost 5 months ago, I met this girl in a swiming club durring the summer. We are really friendly with each other and we love to talk to music because she plays guitar, viola, and the piano and Im the guitarist in a band.

We are really good friends, but I want something more. I want to flirt with her but I dont know when is the right time, and when is it that I ask about girlfriend and boyfriend stuff.

So what Im wondering is how do I go from friend to girlfriend?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Five Month And Made No Move??? Dude You Have Blown Your Chance, Now She Sees You As A Friend And Nothing More>>>>>move On And Forget About Her>>>>trust Me!!!!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Zerotwoonenine said:
Five Month And Made No Move??? Dude You Have Blown Your Chance, Now She Sees You As A Friend And Nothing More>>>>>move On And Forget About Her>>>>trust Me!!!!
thats the real truth.
 
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ok it may be too late but hell do REAL MEN ever give up with out trying? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ur one goal for now is to get the god dam #

after that we can help ya sum more
 

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ok this is what you do. GIVE ME SOME REP FOR TELLING YOU THIS>>MOVE ON>>IF YOU KEEP GOING YOU WILL ONLY WASTE TIME>>REAL MEN MOVE ON IF SITUATION IS LOST
YOU CANT TURN IT AROUND
GIVE ME SOME REP AND DO WHAT I SAY>YOU WONT REGRET IT TRUST ME
 

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^ Shut up. You sound like a noob, "Ohh...do this, and gimme rep because I'm a fat tithead".

Provide sound advice and reputation will come. All you're doing is looking like a real idiot right now.

Technically, he shouldn't be moving on. Yes, he shouldn't FOCUS on her, but no, he should not dismiss her entirely. That is why you're getting a half-flame. Something could happen if he tried for the date (we dont' know if he has yet), yet you fire off that he should forget about her because well, you're cool like that.

No, you want reputation, start putting some goddamn thought into your replies.
 

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If your replies are thoughtful, your reputation will be clear from the experience your wisdom shares with those here.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I find what most of what you guys as good information but what I have a problem is taking it from a friendly relationship to closer relationship. I called her Wendsday to see if she wanted to do anything this last weekend but she had to go to the Christmas Dance with her friends. She went with her friend and she said she would have gone with me if I would have told her earlier >_<.

So what I was wondering is how do I get her attracted to me and how did you guys get someone to be attracted to you?
 

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I'm running two girls at once. The first one, I'm her dream guy. I listened to her when she wanted to talk, I flirted with her, and I presented the 'good guy appearance with a wicked awesome personality (do lots of different things, experience, light-hearted jokes, etc). That's how she's in love with me.

The second, she's fallen for me because she thinks I'm cute/sexy, and I didn't show her much attention (more aloof then anything, throw a bit of whatever). This one was before I knew about game.

Point is, there's no one way for a girl to like you. Either you have to figure out what she wants in a guy to make her interested, or, you have to do the best you can in making yourself the best damn possible guy you can be. If she's decent, you get attraction, she'd be stupid to turn you down (hence why rejection is a good thing sometimes).

Nice go though asking her out to the thingy, ask again after the dance (OR..OR...better yet, go to the dance yourself with bros). She'll be surprised nonetheless.

Don't give up hope :up:
 

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Thanks for the advice Docs.
And I asked her to go out with me this weekend, Im trying to figure were is a good place to go and what should I do?

Got any advice?
 

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And I asked her to go out with me this weekend, Im trying to figure were is a good place to go and what should I do?
Any place is a good place as long as she is interested in you. Lets say I really liked a girl and she wanted me to come along to a concert for a band I completely despise, and costs $60 to go. If I really liked her, I'd go, for her.

Same deal. I've taken girls grocery shopping, to the park, shown them how to drive, and other stuff.

That's about it.
 

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Doc speaks the truth, but you should also give some thought as to what place can put you in a situation where you get the opertunity to shine.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Do whatever u can, but you've got to chase more girls mate. You can't concentrate your energy on one only, that's the fastest way to learn here - cuss we're all here to learn. we can't always hit home run on our first experiments.

try chasing 2 or 3, or even more if u've got the time, but what you want to do is, try different things on each, and save your best "tricks" for the one you like.
 

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NewspaperRalph said:
Do whatever u can, but you've got to chase more girls mate. You can't concentrate your energy on one only, that's the fastest way to learn here - cuss we're all here to learn. we can't always hit home run on our first experiments.

try chasing 2 or 3, or even more if u've got the time, but what you want to do is, try different things on each, and save your best "tricks" for the one you like.
bad news she's busy on mid terms, but whatever I'm going to a party anyways :p

But what do you mean by chase? How do guys get the girl that they want?
 

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lol. "chase" as in, work on the girls you would like to date. even if they look like 7. you just need to practice on flirting, it's all experiance - you can feel it, and it will be like a part of you. imagine being able to go up to a girl, whome you do not know, other than her name, and start instant attraction. ones you get the attraction going, your set! then, the worst you would have to deal with is being that person's friend :eek: (that's if you never got to ask her out)
so even if you screw up, u got a fem buddy! that can give you girl advice and would help you out! it's a win-win situation.

p.s. you can get the girl you want, but there's stages of personal development you have to go through. you don't want to always be self concious and always analyze yourself (it sends bad body language). plus it would be impossible for me to name you all of the tricks (sorry :( ).
you can get the girl you want... you gotta have faith in yourself!
good luck!:up:
 
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