Atom Smasher vs. State Police girl - Draw

[plate's_empty]

OP, you did the right thing.

Too many people are worried about stepping into a situation because they are scare of the consequences. They're just hoping it will resolve itself. What often happens is it doesn't and now they're making excuses for themselves on why they didn't get involved and do something.

You weren't white knighting because you weren't trying to bang this chick. You saw a defenseless young woman at the mercy of some out of control lunatic.....and she needed help. Someone needed to step in, and nobody else was doing it.

I tell this quote to my son, I think it applies here: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
-Edmund Burke

I'm no saint myself, but I do try...

Good on ya.

 

[betheman]

betheman, don't forget that america and canada got our legal system from you guys so it's no different across the great pond. And let's not forget that court decision that made the UK government pay relatives of an IRA death squad money because the members of that death squad were killed by the SAS while they were attempting to set up a bomb.

The court had ruled that the human rights of the IRA terrorists had been violated by the British government. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43575/10-000-pay-outs-deaths-IRA-men.html

Saving someone in a situation like this is honorable and noble but Atom, you were opening yourself to a lot of legal liability. This woman didn't need saving. We go over this all the time on this site. I'm all for standing up for people - I might have done the same thing just out of a helpful, nice guy reaction that I'm sure we all have - but this dude seemed like a loose cannon and I think it was best not to escalate the situation.

Like I said before, this guy could have been on meth, he could have just had a bad day and been armed, or maybe he really was innocent. If you had gotten into a physical fight with this guy and hurt him, and it turned out he was innocent (or even guilty for that matter) you would have opened yourself up to a personal injury suit and possible criminal charges. All for what, because it hurt you to see this girl cry?

Do you see how that policewoman acted towards you when she showed up, being all rude to you and sh*t? She could have just as easily arrested you if this had turned into a fight.

Unfortunately today we live in a society where, contrary to our deep down need to help people, we are often punished severely for doing so. Think twice before getting involved in an argument between two people and if you do, understand the potential risks.

DONT blame the UK for being fvcked up, we have the same legal system and it hasnt gone the same route yours has, look in the mirror!
sit back, blame others, do nothing....you get what you deserve
yanks are all so tough and macho, and yet...you are being sh!t on from an almighty height. again...look in the mirror!

 

[Bokanovsky]

betheman, I'm not American. And I just pointed to a legal decision in your country which is much more fvcked up than anything in the US, ie giving money to the relatives of terrorists who were killed while those terrorists were trying to plant a bomb and kill innocent civilians.

Any country can have a messed up system when outsiders look at it from their own perspective.

I am by no means a fan of the UK (a very f*cked up country for a variety of reasons), but in fairness, that decision was not made by a British court. It was made by the European Court of Human Rights.

 

[Jitterbug]

Out of curiosity, did the young damsel in distress ever thank you, Atom Smasher, for your kindness?

 

[plate's_empty]

Out of curiosity, did the young damsel in distress ever thank you, Atom Smasher, for your kindness?

I was wondering the same thing.

Probably not, too much going on for her, I'm sure her adrenaline was in overdrive. At the time she didn't know which way was up.

Either way, it doesn't matter. Atom, nice work man, you acted.

Maybe, after his surgery, he'll get sent a nice bunch of flowers from an "anonymous" girl.....

 

[betheman]

betheman, I'm not American. And I just pointed to a legal decision in your country which is much more fvcked up than anything in the US, ie giving money to the relatives of terrorists who were killed while those terrorists were trying to plant a bomb and kill innocent civilians.

Any country can have a messed up system when outsiders look at it from their own perspective.

we will have to disagree massively on this issue. you go to walmart, have a disagreement and have to back down because some one may have a gun. you call the cops and you end up somehow the bad guy? there are hundreds of other issues, bigger political ones which make me very worried about america. this is not to say I dont like Americans, Ive worked with them, met many and been to America, I was very happy to be around them.

 

[betheman]

Yes, actually it was. The European Court of Human Rights is recognized by the UK as its highest court, which legally makes it a British court since it has jurisdiction over its territory and people.

The UK government chose to be subject to this type of judicial system, knowing full well such crazy decisions were possible. And this choice has resulted in ludicrous decisions which makes what happens in America seem not so bad.

Besides, most laws and legal concepts in the US and Canada are also based on decisions that were originally made in another country (Britain). Where laws originally developed is irrelevant: the only thing that counts is the fact that a jurisdiction continues to recognize and enforce such insanity.

complete insanity! hopefully it will be coming to an end soon but it wont be because the British population want it to. we were sold right down the river while certain politicians had their back pockets filled

 

[the_stig]

Don't listen to all this "you're a white knight nosy old man" craap. Two things coming to mind here..

1) In most states, you can be charged with a felony just for spitting on a Police Officer. That alone tells you how serious it is. Saliva is a major carrier for some serious diseases and infections. Hepatitis A, B & C just to name a few. You had every right to call the Police because what you witnessed was a crime?! It's called Assault and Battery. The Police in your state sound very unprofessional. I'm really shocked at their reaction.

2) For liability reasons, most retail facilities have their hands tied when it comes to Police involvement. Just look at the steps required to legally detain a shoplifter; in my state they have to observe the suspect select the merchandise, conceal the merchandise, leave the store without paying for it, all while not being allowed to lose visual contact during the process and double-checking areas such as fitting/restrooms before the detention can be made.

I know that isn't relevant to your situation, but it shows the rigorous policy's employees must follow, and most are too afraid of losing their job or becoming the victim of a lawsuit to do the right thing.

I feel bad for the young girl assaulted just for doing her job. That guy is a monster and should have been dealt with accordingly.

 

[Married Buried]

betheman, that's cool we can both respectfully disagree on this point. I'm just comparing the idea that the US is a very fvcked up country just because of one story where an idiot cop was rude, to a situation in the UK where the relatives of terrorists were actually given money because those terrorists were killed during an attempted hit.

I think it's pretty obvious which case is worse. A rude cop or a legal system that rewards terrorists.. we can go back and forth all day about how messed up Americans or the British are but the point is, there are things about all of our countries that would make people in other states think we're fvcked up.

I'm not calling Britain a bad country or anything, some of the funnest guys on this site are from England, as is one of my best friends. I'm just saying that anyone can look at another country and call it messed up based on perspective.

The US is no better. They flew Bin Ladens relatives out of the country after 911, and we are in bed with the real terrorists, the Saudis, giving them billions every year and selling them weapons.

 

[Married Buried]

The bin Ladens were flown out to protect them from the actions of their estranged relative, NOT to reward them for it. It is hardly the same thing lol

And as unsavory as the Saudi royal family is, they are not nearly as bad as some of the alternative choices, both for the US and the Saudi people.

I am far from saying the US is perfect but if you want to talk about Saudi Arabia, let's not forget that it was the British who originally put them in power there.

You are missing the whole point. Then why did they invade Iraq and not the Saudi's? Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Married Buried]

Malice, there's no point to miss because you're not presenting any logical arguments. The US supported Saudi Arabia over Iraq because Iraq started destabilizing an entire region which is already very unstable, so Saddam had to go. The guy was laughing in the face of the world community, expressed in the form of collectively agreed upon UN sanctions, and he was sending out the message that dictators can do what they want and get away with it.

When Saudi Arabia starts invading all of its neighbours, sponsoring world terrorism, stockpiling chemical weapons and using them against their own people, and mocking the world community by refusing to obey globally agreed upon economic sanctions then it will most likely face an international coalition as well.

The Iraq war had nothing to do with Saddam laughing at us. It was for Oil and for Israel. Wolfowitz and co. had been hounding Clinton to invade Iaq but he was too smart. Bush was the patsy they needed. Now they want us to do Iran.

 

[camelo]

Then I don't want to see you complaining when the next 911 hits. Maybe you will be the one on the street to get killed.

 

[Married Buried]

yeah you're right, i mean we should always give in and surrender to bullies and terrorists at their first attempt to intimidate us.

Now that's being a man!

So let me get this straight. We bombed Iraq and killed thousands of innocent people for oil and for Israel. Who are the real terrorists?

USA / UK / Israel is the real axis of evil.

 

[Atom Smasher]

OK, thread officially hijacked. World peace attained. Thread closed.

 

[PackGranpa]

Packgranpa was here after it was closed