Atom Smasher vs. State Police girl - Draw

[Atom Smasher]

O my Lord, what's this world coming to?

Tonight I was at Home Depot trying to check out at the self-checkout aisle. The older woman there was having all sorts of trouble figuring out the price of my wood so I resigned myself to a long haul.

This other younger girl (very early 20s is my guess) was helping some guy out, a guy in his 40s. All of a sudden he starts yelling, "You're calling me a thief! and starts storming out. Then he comes back and squares off with her getting right into her face (half inch away) and saying if she were a man he would beat the sh!t out of her. He then proceeds to spit in her face.

At this point it looks like it's on so I get between them and tell them both it's not worth it. The girl (a very polite, nice, respectful girl, I might add) was crying and shocked as one would expect. The guy starts walking out with all sorts of threats (I thought he and I might get into it and I'm having back surgery this coming Thursday LOL). Two lazy-ass employees very tentatively walked out and I told them to go get his license number. They come sauntering back and I said, "Did you get the number?" and they said, "No, we couldn't see it. He drove away." I said you had plenty of time to get the plate number, why didn't you? And they just stared at me. I asked what kind of car it was - black Mercedes.

I ask the manager what he's going to do about this assault and he says, "Don't worry sir, we're doing an internal investigation". I asked two female employees how they feel about working at a place where no one will do anything if they are assaulted. I told the men to call 911 several times and they wouldn't, so I did.

So this female NYS b!tch of a cop pulls up and starts telling me I'm not supposed to call the police, that only the victim is supposed to call. Incredulous, I say, "You're telling me I was wrong to call the cops?" She defensively shoots back. "I didn't say that. Did I say that?" I said, "I'm asking you, not telling you anything." This girl was as nasty as can be... I mean down to the core nasty and defensive.

This went on back and forth for ten minutes. I'm telling her I broke up the fight, that I was directly involved, that we have it on video, and she keeps telling me "You're not supposed to call the cops, only the girl was supposed to." Meanwhile some male trooper shows up, I start talking to him and I could tell he understood the situation but he was definitely afraid of her. I ask him, was I not supposed to call the police? And before he can answer she's snapping at him, "Don't answer him. That's what he's trying to get you to say."

I'm telling her, "With all respect, I'm having trouble understanding your logic" and she was as evasive as can B....PD.

Finally the b!tch walks inside to talk to the employees (this is like 15 minutes later). The guy is just standing outside with me, helpless. I wanted to pursue it with him (as he was reasonable) but I kept thinking how I have a million things to do before surgery this Thursday and if I do my usual patent-applied-for "logic kill", I might get in over my head and have this to worry about before and during surgery.

So I declined to pursue and told the male cop outside I'll be out of commission due to surgery so that's where I'll be if they're looking for me.

I was quite surprised by all this on many levels. Some of my questions are, Why is it wrong to call the police when a nut job (he was very agitated and looked like he was going to pop her or me any second) gets a half inch away from a 20 year old girl's face and spit at her, then walks away with all sorts of threats?

And most importantly, why on earth, if this is a police investigation, did they not detain me and why did they want me to leave? The police couldn't wait for me to get out of there. What's wrong with this picture?

Does Home Depot have some kind of "special" relationship with the State Police? I have to wonder. Something is not adding up here.

Does this guy who attacked her have a special relationship with the police? He had what sounded to me like a Eastern-European accent. Is he a diplomat? These are all questions that I can't help but ask myself.

You guys know I'm no white knight. In fact, I'm 100% all for popping a woman who pops a man first. I get great satisfaction at women getting what they deserve, and that includes an eye for an eye physically.

But this girl was entirely victimized by this nut job and if he would spit in her face like that he sure as heck would have physically attacked her had I not pushed him off.

So what do you guys think? Was I wrong to call the cops? Any ideas why this whole scenario seemed so bizarre, and why they wouldn't have me stay as an official witness? Something ain't right here, boys. I'd love to get your ideas.

 

[Atom Smasher]

While she was yapping I made sure to look at her badge and of course she said her name, meaning, "Go ahead and get my name... I'm not afraid".

I don't get it... you'd think she'd be glad that someone gave enough of a damn to help this checkout girl. That's why I think there are questionable underlying factors.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Sounds to me like you white knighted anyway.

This other younger girl (very early 20s is my guess) was helping some guy out, a guy in his 40s. All of a sudden he starts yelling, "You're calling me a thief! and starts storming out. Then he comes back and squares off with her getting right into her face (half inch away) and saying if she were a man he would beat the sh!t out of her. He then proceeds to spit in her face.

What if she had called him a thief and was a huge *****? Did you overhear what she said to him? How would you like it if some guy came running in to that b1tch cop's defense and tried to white knight and break you two up? I bet you'd feel like spitting in her face too... I highly doubt she was polite and helpful to him.. girls, especially american girls are never EVER 'nice or innocent' as you have just experienced. The error was in your logic dude. You ran to her defense... did she call you? Why didn't you try and find out what she said to him? Why didn't you run to HIS defense? He was obviously insulted that she insinuated he was stealing something...but who was the first person you helped? If some chick insinuated that I was a thief when I was trying to be a paying customer, I'd want to spit in her face too. Maybe you just called out a MGTOW member... just another example of the women are always right.

saying if she were a man he would beat the sh!t out of her.

Cause we can't hold a woman to a man's standard anymore. Sounds to me like a textbook case of her insulting him on his manhood... so what did you do?

Thats right.

step 1. Automatically assume man is guilty even after girl has shown disrespect to man and instigated a fight.

step 2. Run to defense of girl without her asking.

step 3. Call police for girl on her behalf.

White Knight.

 

[Jitterbug]

Didn't you learn anything from cases like this?

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/0...oves-that-it-doesnt-pay-to-be-a-white-knight/

 

[Atom Smasher]

Sounds to me like you white knighted anyway.



What if she had called him a thief and was a huge *****? Did you overhear what she said to him? How would you like it if some guy came running in to that b1tch cop's defense and tried to white knight and break you two up? I bet you'd feel like spitting in her face too... I highly doubt she was polite and helpful to him.. girls, especially american girls are never EVER 'nice or innocent' as you have just experienced. The error was in your logic dude. You ran to her defense... did she call you? Why didn't you try and find out what she said to him? Why didn't you run to HIS defense? He was obviously insulted that she insinuated he was stealing something...but who was the first person you helped? If some chick insinuated that I was a thief when I was trying to be a paying customer, I'd want to spit in her face too. Maybe you just called out a MGTOW member... just another example of the women are always right.


Cause we can't hold a woman to a man's standard anymore. Sounds to me like a textbook case of her insulting him on his manhood... so what did you do?

Thats right.

step 1. Automatically assume man is guilty even after girl has shown disrespect to man and instigated a fight.

step 2. Run to defense of girl without her asking.

step 3. Call police for girl on her behalf.

White Knight.

I was standing 3 feet away from them when they started getting into it, so yes, I heard everything.

The fact is that the guy WAS trying to steal something. He had several items in a cardboard box and he tried to slip it by her. She said, "I just need to scan these" very nicely.

Take a look at the silly questions you're asking in your post... "Why didn't you try to find out what she said to him...? Why would you assume that I didn't hear it?

"her insulting him on his manhood..."

Whatever, dude...

 

[Atom Smasher]

Didn't you learn anything from cases like this?

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/0...oves-that-it-doesnt-pay-to-be-a-white-knight/

Interesting read.

Back to my situation, I'd be hard-pressed to not involve myself when an enraged out-of-control lunatic threatens and spits on a girl. I can most assuredly say that I would have done the same thing were it a male. The gender has absolutely nothing to do with it. Assault is assault.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Well, I'll have to cook this in the oven for awhile and get perspective. I certainly don't want to stick my nose where it doesn't belong but by the same token I revile the thought of doing nothing. Perhaps too I was appalled at the cowardice of the other workers there.

I'll consider your view carefully.

 

[Darkwolf32]

You should be glad that you are still alive.

Judging from the point of view of an outsider, you acted like a nosy old man who thinks he is so alpha that he has to get his ass between everything and exudes his masculinity over others without knowing sh!t about what exactly happened there.

Do you know what kind of person is the most annoying? The one who always trying to help you while you don't need his help.

 

[Atom Smasher]

She didn't verbalize she wasn't afraid but she made sure to say her name to imply she wasn't.

I've decided to kick her ass and am going to file a formal complaint with the guidance of my relatives on the police force, and a good friend who is County. All three (a captain, a lieutenant, and a county cop) told me I absolutely did the right thing by calling the cops.

Even so I'd rather err on the side of action rather than non-action. That maniac put ME in danger and therefore I was involved, like it or not.

I'm absolutely going to pursue it from the perspective you propose, Danger.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I think it might actually hinge on what you said specifically when you called 9-11.

If you said something like, "Oh my god! There's a fight! Please come and help!"

Then the cops can show up and demonstrate their authority, as they LOVE to do. That's why many of them became cops in the first place.

OTOH

If you called and said, "There's a situation you need to come handle!" or something like that, the lady cop might have already been told there's somebody scene who's overstepping their "authority."

So, how exactly did the 9-11 call go down? How did the operator respond? What was your demeanor when you called?

Authoritative, free thinking citizen, or helpless victim?

How, exactly, did you describe the situation? Something that was still happening, or something that had already happened?

 

[Jaylan]

Sounds to me like you white knighted anyway.



What if she had called him a thief and was a huge *****? Did you overhear what she said to him? How would you like it if some guy came running in to that b1tch cop's defense and tried to white knight and break you two up? I bet you'd feel like spitting in her face too... I highly doubt she was polite and helpful to him.. girls, especially american girls are never EVER 'nice or innocent' as you have just experienced. The error was in your logic dude. You ran to her defense... did she call you? Why didn't you try and find out what she said to him? Why didn't you run to HIS defense? He was obviously insulted that she insinuated he was stealing something...but who was the first person you helped? If some chick insinuated that I was a thief when I was trying to be a paying customer, I'd want to spit in her face too. Maybe you just called out a MGTOW member... just another example of the women are always right.


Cause we can't hold a woman to a man's standard anymore. Sounds to me like a textbook case of her insulting him on his manhood... so what did you do?

Thats right.

step 1. Automatically assume man is guilty even after girl has shown disrespect to man and instigated a fight.

step 2. Run to defense of girl without her asking.

step 3. Call police for girl on her behalf.

White Knight.

Wow...

You know someone has a screw loose when they justify unprovoked assault.

I would have knocked the guy out for just spitting on someone like that. Doesnt matter if it was a girl or a smaller guy. I would defend the person if someone is being a jerk like that.

You cant just go around thinking you can spit on people.

And OP, Im not surprised at the NYS troopers. I had something I needed them to take care of for me a few years back, and they didnt do their job at all. Now I know not to be the bigger man and call the cops to handle things for me if someone becomes too unruly. If someone wants to pick a fight, Ima give em hell.

 

[Mike32ct]

I'm more disappointed with the store management. They did nothing. In the land of "zero tolerance" for violence, they ignored someone making threats.

That girl's manager/supervisor should have stepped in immediately to deal with this hostile customer. They should have asked him to leave and/or called the police themself or at LEAST notified the store manager ASAP so he/she could take action.

From what the OP said, the girl was being very polite and professional. She even gave this guy an opportunity to have the items rung up so he could save face and not be confronted for shoplifting. Instead of accepting his "get out of shoplifting free card" and paying for the stuff, the a$shole flips out on her.

The OP had very good intentions. He stepped in to protect her, despite the obvious risks.

Notwithstanding, I can see why the staff might be reluctant to call 911 at the OP's request. Despite the OP's good intentions, the store staff are hired help that defer to their manager/supervisor. So they probably wouldn't call unless their superior told them to or god forbid they witnessed a serious accident (sadly AFTER it happened not before.)

Sadly, this is probably also the reason why no supervisor stepped in. The big boss, the store manager, probably wasn't nearby, and no subordinate staff wanted to stick their neck out to to tell this guy to leave or to call the police themself. Sadly, in this economy nobody wants to stick their neck out. Everybody wants the big boss' blessing before they take a shyte.

Anyway, while it wasn't technically the OP's place to call 911, I trust he had good reason to do so. Plus he knew nobody else was going to. The police lady clearly had an attitude. That was very unprofessional of her.

 

[LiveFreeX]

You should be glad that you are still alive.

Judging from the point of view of an outsider, you acted like a nosy old man who thinks he is so alpha that he has to get his ass between everything and exudes his masculinity over others without knowing sh!t about what exactly happened there.

Do you know what kind of person is the most annoying? The one who always trying to help you while you don't need his help.

I agree completely, you took the position as the do gooder who was stepping in to save the helpless princess. It would have been different if she called out for help and you came running but instead decided it was your place to save her. I had a similar incident take place at home where I accidentally bumped into a lady at a store, she started screaming like a banshee, I said a few choice words back at her and guess what happened next... the white knight brigade came running. From your point of view it looked like he was stealing something but I'd like to read the police report and find out if that was actually the case. I question why a man in a black Mercedes would want to steal anything from a home depot.

You are not the police, if you want the job, then sign up. I think you'll quickly find that things are not always what they seem and innocent looking women can be quite rude in their politeness. In today's man-unfriendly zone, it is quite possible that she was talking down to him at the time. Perhaps you haven't learned anything from Feminism, women don't need you: They are strong, independent, individuals who don't NEED a man to look after them. You should have shouted at her to use her GRRRRL POWER!

Now you have Jaylan's support, if you've read any of his previous posts you'll know exactly whom you represent. If it makes you feel any better Jaylan, you are no different than atom smasher.


Apparently even Snooki deserves saving: http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...kSIBC_4p7FR8xZeU71gS3AQ&bvm=bv.47244034,d.dGI

Who was in the wrong? Justifiable assault?

 

[Bokanovsky]

And most importantly, why on earth, if this is a police investigation, did they not detain me and why did they want me to leave? The police couldn't wait for me to get out of there. What's wrong with this picture?

Does Home Depot have some kind of "special" relationship with the State Police? I have to wonder. Something is not adding up here.

Does this guy who attacked her have a special relationship with the police? He had what sounded to me like a Eastern-European accent. Is he a diplomat? These are all questions that I can't help but ask myself.

Come on Atom Smasher, you are a reasonable man. You know as well as I do what's going on here. The guy was not a foreign diplomat and there is no "special relationship". You were simply dealing with a stupid, lazy, power tripping cop (apparently, a PMS-ing one too). Unfortunately, many (though not all) cops, both male and female, are like that these days.

I was once involved in a fairly minor car accident (the woman driving behind me rear-ended my car). I called the cops, which you are by law required to do. When the officer finally arrived, I had the pleasure of dealing with a fat, red-faced alcoholic who cussed me out as if I had just impregnated his daughter. Never bothered to write a police report as he was required to do. Just cussed me out and left. I wasn't even upset at being treated that way...I was too confused trying to understand what prompted him to act that way.

 

[Atom Smasher]

You're right. I was hoping there must be some other explanation, but it was simply a matter of a b!tch cop with something to prove. I've actually had several excellent experiences with NYS troopers so this was like something out of the Twilight Zone to me. That's my problem, asking for a "why" when we all know what's going on these days.

Funny you mention being rear-ended. I'm having surgery this Thursday for the very same thing. A lady was texting and she rammed me as I was sitting at a light. Crushed two vertebrae.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I'm more disappointed with the store management. They did nothing. In the land of "zero tolerance" for violence, they ignored someone making threats.

That girl's manager/supervisor should have stepped in immediately to deal with this hostile customer. They should have asked him to leave and/or called the police themself or at LEAST notified the store manager ASAP so he/she could take action.

From what the OP said, the girl was being very polite and professional. She even gave this guy an opportunity to have the items rung up so he could save face and not be confronted for shoplifting. Instead of accepting his "get out of shoplifting free card" and paying for the stuff, the a$shole flips out on her.

The OP had very good intentions. He stepped in to protect her, despite the obvious risks.

Notwithstanding, I can see why the staff might be reluctant to call 911 at the OP's request. Despite the OP's good intentions, the store staff are hired help that defer to their manager/supervisor. So they probably wouldn't call unless their superior told them to or god forbid they witnessed a serious accident (sadly AFTER it happened not before.)

Sadly, this is probably also the reason why no supervisor stepped in. The big boss, the store manager, probably wasn't nearby, and no subordinate staff wanted to stick their neck out to to tell this guy to leave or to call the police themself. Sadly, in this economy nobody wants to stick their neck out. Everybody wants the big boss' blessing before they take a shyte.

Anyway, while it wasn't technically the OP's place to call 911, I trust he had good reason to do so. Plus he knew nobody else was going to. The police lady clearly had an attitude. That was very unprofessional of her.

As usual Mike32ct gets it.

The amazing thing was that the manager (an Indian guy with poor language skills) was right there and I asked him several times if he was going to call the police. He kept saying he might, later.

Regarding the actual altercation, I sure as heck wasn't going to wait around till he knocked her head off. He was absolutely enraged and out of control, virtually about to take a swing at her. Some of you younger guys need to learn that when a weaker person (male or female) is physically attacked, a man of integrity stops it. It's not about worrying if you're "white knighting". Sometimes we tend to take these "pickup community" concepts way too far and apply them too broadly.

What I did was stop an attack on a weaker person. It had nothing whatsoever to do with gender. I would have easily done the same thing for a frail, weak young man. The fact that a few of the kids here would stand there and watch as this enraged lunatic took a swing at a defenseless person speaks volumes about the continual deterioration of manhood in this country.

I am on record as being 100% for hitting a woman who hits first. She should receive the same or slightly more firepower she unleashed. If I saw a woman hit a man, I would say, "Sir, may I hold your jacket?

For the posters here who are demonstrating weak reading comprehension skills, I'll say again that I heard the entire conversation and was watching them as it happened because I was standing around waiting for a price on my piece of wood. The guy was clearly trying to sneak items past her and she very politely and professionally gave him a chance to save face.

At any rate, I'll be pursuing this poor excuse for a cop and make life as hard for her as I possibly can.

 

[betheman]

"a nosy do gooder" ...a "white knight"....seriously? wtf is the world coming to when a guy sees a fvcked up situation and tries to sort it out? I know we tend to be a bit hard ar$ed with women around here but wtf did this girl do to deserve this abuse? did she refuse to give the guy her number?
what if that girl was your daughter? sister? wife or GF? who goes to work and deserves to be confronted with some ar$hole guy spitting in her face?

as for the cop, Id have been a bit more sarcastic and ask at what point during the assaultwould it have been appropriate to call the cops? i.e. when the victim was unconscious? being beaten around the head with a large lump of wood? shot? Cops can be such arrogant ar$holes. we have some over here in the UK but it doesnt sound as bad as the US.
Well done atom for your stance

 

[Married Buried]

I hope you at least got the 20 year olds phone number for going through all that trouble?

I wouldn't have done a damned thing. Not my problem. Certainly would not have called the police. I would have grabbed some popcorn and watched though.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Thinking that the police are going to be the good guys is naive. Sometimes they are, but it is by no means something to be expected. A typical bad cop technique is to just accuse whoever happens to be around of doing something wrong, so that they go away and stop asking for the cop to do work.

And if you had just found his loogie on the floor so that you could slip and fall on it, THAT would have been a much more productive 911 call. You would have gotten 5-25 grand, minus a third for your lawyer. I'm not saying I would do such a thing, but that is the state of our society.

If the guy was beating the crap out of the girl and you stuck your face out, let's say he broke his hand on your face. He would then sue both you and Home Depot, and probably win something. You could sue him, but if he is a dirt bag with no assets; it would be a waste of time. In a civil law scenario of you versus him, you would be the one with something to lose. It sucks, but you need to understand the risks that you are taking by making physical contact with anyone, even if you are not trying at all to hurt them.

 

[betheman]

Thinking that the police are going to be the good guys is naive. Sometimes they are, but it is by no means something to be expected. A typical bad cop technique is to just accuse whoever happens to be around of doing something wrong, so that they go away and stop asking for the cop to do work.

And if you had just found his loogie on the floor so that you could slip and fall on it, THAT would have been a much more productive 911 call. You would have gotten 5-25 grand, minus a third for your lawyer. I'm not saying I would do such a thing, but that is the state of our society.

If the guy was beating the crap out of the girl and you stuck your face out, let's say he broke his hand on your face. He would then sue both you and Home Depot, and probably win something. You could sue him, but if he is a dirt bag with no assets; it would be a waste of time. In a civil law scenario of you versus him, you would be the one with something to lose. It sucks, but you need to understand the risks that you are taking by making physical contact with anyone, even if you are not trying at all to hurt them.

is your country that fvcked up? fortunately mine isnt but its going the same way